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154th: Pinnacle@Duxton Oversubscribed = $650k PHole AFFORDABLE!

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HDB BALLOTING EXERCISE
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The 50-storey Pinnacle@Duxton attracted 1,467 applications for its 428 flats on offer. -- TNP FILE PHOTO
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<!-- START OF : div id="storytext"--><!-- more than 4 paragraphs -->THEY are among the priciest flats ever launched by the Housing Board, but there has been no shortage of potential buyers.
The 50-storey Pinnacle@Duxton in Tanjong Pagar has attracted 1,467 applications for the 428 four- and five-roomers on offer - that is about 3.5 hopefuls for each unit.
Cheaper homes in less central areas were in even more demand, with applications streaming in at a rate of 20 per new flat in some districts.
HDB's balloting exercise on Friday attracted a total of 4,463 applications for 992 flats on sale in Ang Mo Kio, Queenstown, Jurong West, Kallang/ Whampoa and Tanjong Pagar as of 5pm yesterday.
The 111 five-roomers at the Pinnacle start at $545,000 and hit $645,800 for a 49th storey unit - the most expensive new HDB flats - yet there were still 372 applicants.
Demand for those flats paled in comparison with the 762 applications for just 39 four-room flats in Kallang/Whampoa, priced at between $364,000 and $435,000.
Property analysts said the response was not surprising, considering the underlying demand for new flats from first-time buyers and the preference for cheaper units.
Still, the fact that the Pinnacle racked up more than three times more applications than flats available proves there is strong demand, said PropNex chief executive Mohamed Ismail.
'Buyers have to expect to pay a premium for the prime location of city flats,' said Mr Ismail.
The HDB said the prices of Pinnacle flats were still lower than those of resale flats in the area. HDB figures show five-room flats in Tiong Bahru's Jalan Membina recently selling for $670,000 above the 20th floor. The average price of a five-room flat sold in Jalan Membina and Cantonment Close over the last three months was $624,000.
The response to the ballot also highlighted another emerging hot spot - Jurong, an area once spurned by buyers for being too far from the city.
Five-room flats here were about 11 times oversubscribed - 335 applications for the 30 flats.

=> This only shows that Sporns $ no enuff, so living with Bangalas also bo bian?

ERA Asia-Pacific's assistant vice-president Eugene Lim said new flats here are now more attractive after a masterplan to rejuvenate the area was announced recently.
'It's also currently one of the cheapest housing spots in Singapore. It's not surprising it's moving now,' said Mr Lim.
He also feels those priced at $650,000 are at the top end of what buyers can afford.
'With two incomes, it's still manageable,' he said. In many cases, these flats are cheaper than buying from the resale market, where buyers usually need to pay a cash component upfront to sellers. This is not required for new flats, he added.




Still, HDB 'should be conscious that such pricing of flats are affordable only to a small cross-section of HDB home buyers,' said Mr Ismail.
But the true popularity of the flats has yet to be seen as the number of applications might not reflect the actual take-up rate. Applications for the new flats close on Oct 9. [email protected]
 
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<!-- START OF : div id="storytext"--><DIV class=story_text><!-- more than 4 paragraphs -->I REFER to last Saturday's article, '$645K: HDB's priciest flats go on sale'.
I was shocked that HDB has priced its new stock of flats in Tanjong Pagar at $545,000 to $645,000. I am not surprised the higher-end flats have relatively few takers due to steep pricing. As it is, HDB has priced its new flats according to surrounding resale market prices and built in a discount before launching them to the public.
I wonder if this is a fair comparison as the property market rides through the up-and-
down cycle and if a new buyer buys now, he runs a high risk of buying at the high end of the market trend and may lose on his investment when the market goes down. This often happens to HDB resale or private property buyers who buy high in an uptrend market but lose heavily when the market goes south. It will be tragic if a buyer of a new HDB flat also goes through this financial heartache with his first ever housing unit.
There is generally not much premium earned on buying brand-new HDB flats now. One wonders if it is more prudent to buy a resale unit with the $30,000 rebate given as a sweetener, rather than buy a brand-new unit at such a high price.
Gone are the days when new HDB flats were much cheaper than in the current market. I bought my first new executive flat about 15 years ago at $143,000. I paid less than $500 a month for a mortgage loan. I later sold it a few times over when the property market was booming five years after I bought it. That was my first new HDB flat experience as I could buy only private or resale flats after that.
As the property market matures, I wonder if HDB has lost its mission to allow Singaporeans to own affordable housing with cheap loans. With new flats priced so high, home owners not only have to pay exorbitant loans but also worry that their flat valuation may drop if the market turns sour. Buying a new flat becomes more of a risky investment than providing a roof over one's family.
HDB also needs to price its new flats better by considering factors other than surrounding resale valuation. To prevent home buyers immediately selling their flats after the five year lock-in period to make a profit, HDB can tie home owners to a longer lock-in period of eight to 10 years, enabling it to price flats cheaper. Many Singaporeans stay in their flats after more than 10 years, some for sentimental reasons, while others do not want to lock themselves into another big mortgage loan when they buy another property.
Gilbert Goh

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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=heading>Latest comments</TD></TR><TR><TD id=messageDisplayRegion width="100%"><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE class=Post style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Make sense to pay 550k to 650k for 'public housing'? Check the performance standard and technical specification of HDB flat, if HDB is willing to disclose them to the public. The floor, ceiling and walls are like 'paper' thin that you are constantly subject to all sorts of noise (not that your neighbors are inconsiderate). Once sold HDB will wash its hand. You don't want to end up wearing ear plugs in your expensive home all the time! I can tell you it will be hell for you in the next 5 years!
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: GNAK2008 at Tue Sep 30 16:51:05 SGT 2008
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE class=AlternatePost style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>why all the complaining on this topic..if you dont like it then vote for another MP and party to get what you want..problem is the wiff of an HDB upgrade around election time is enough to shorten memories!!!!
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: asiaslider at Tue Sep 30 16:17:55 SGT 2008
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE class=Post style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Its all a manipulated market to give the illusion of making some easy profits but if you look at the rules that are like a maze its all a game..only winner is HDB and government..they never gonna give a way a free dollar
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: asiaslider at Tue Sep 30 16:16:51 SGT 2008
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE class=AlternatePost style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>It's timely for HDB to change eligibility rules.

I have friends who are true blue Singaporeans.... born n bred here...pay taxes but have not enjoyed the privilege extended to other Singaporeans. No grant nor the smell of new flat due to income ceiling but instead buy inflated resale HDB flat fuelled by PRs or resort to renting a flat. These mediocre citizens are trapped.
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: mshen at Tue Sep 30 15:54:26 SGT 2008
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE class=Post style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>and the hype is people are rushing to buy the priciest Pinnacle flats despite the `technical' recession. like the doomed rats of Pied Piper of HDB - they will be led to their deaths when prices plunge and the banks come repossessing them. fools go where angels fear to tread.
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: anghwahong at Tue Sep 30 12:35:31 SGT 2008
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<!-- START OF : div id="storytext"--><DIV class=story_text><!-- more than 4 paragraphs -->I REFER to last Saturday's article, '$645K: HDB's priciest flats go on sale'.
I was shocked that HDB has priced its new stock of flats in Tanjong Pagar at $545,000 to $645,000. I am not surprised the higher-end flats have relatively few takers due to steep pricing. As it is, HDB has priced its new flats according to surrounding resale market prices and built in a discount before launching them to the public.
I wonder if this is a fair comparison as the property market rides through the up-and-
down cycle and if a new buyer buys now, he runs a high risk of buying at the high end of the market trend and may lose on his investment when the market goes down. This often happens to HDB resale or private property buyers who buy high in an uptrend market but lose heavily when the market goes south. It will be tragic if a buyer of a new HDB flat also goes through this financial heartache with his first ever housing unit.
There is generally not much premium earned on buying brand-new HDB flats now. One wonders if it is more prudent to buy a resale unit with the $30,000 rebate given as a sweetener, rather than buy a brand-new unit at such a high price.
Gone are the days when new HDB flats were much cheaper than in the current market. I bought my first new executive flat about 15 years ago at $143,000. I paid less than $500 a month for a mortgage loan. I later sold it a few times over when the property market was booming five years after I bought it. That was my first new HDB flat experience as I could buy only private or resale flats after that.
As the property market matures, I wonder if HDB has lost its mission to allow Singaporeans to own affordable housing with cheap loans. With new flats priced so high, home owners not only have to pay exorbitant loans but also worry that their flat valuation may drop if the market turns sour. Buying a new flat becomes more of a risky investment than providing a roof over one's family.
HDB also needs to price its new flats better by considering factors other than surrounding resale valuation. To prevent home buyers immediately selling their flats after the five year lock-in period to make a profit, HDB can tie home owners to a longer lock-in period of eight to 10 years, enabling it to price flats cheaper. Many Singaporeans stay in their flats after more than 10 years, some for sentimental reasons, while others do not want to lock themselves into another big mortgage loan when they buy another property.
Gilbert Goh

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It never stop to amaze me if they are aware of the kind of mortgage commitment the couple is getting into with a almost 500k loan (after 20% down) for the next 30 years. I guess that would mean having a big rock weighing on top of their head or a thick rope hanging by their neck for the next 30years.
 
The HDB has the responsibility to provide affordable public housing for the people. I cannot see the reason why they have to drum up the prices. That is the job of the pribate developers.
In this respect the HDB have failed miserably in their mission as a publc housing provider.
 
The HDB has the responsibility to provide affordable public housing for the people. I cannot see the reason why they have to drum up the prices. That is the job of the pribate developers.
In this respect the HDB have failed miserably in their mission as a publc housing provider.

Mabroky is trying to make a quickie before GREAT DEORESSION II lah!
 
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