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The wolves are out, baying for blood over the latest revelation that eight of the 14 town councils run by the People's Action Party have invested $16 million of their sinking funds in troubled financial products.
The online forums are brimming with calls for heads to roll and questions on why stricter guidelines could not have been imposed on the town councils.
What doesn't help is the footdragging that preceded the disclosure.
When the issue first surfaced late last month, PAP town councils' coordinating chairman Teo Ho Pin declined to give specific figures to the media.
He would say only that the councils' exposure was limited and their sinking funds - which are used for long-term cyclical repairs or major projects - are 'in safe hands'. But that only fuelled suspicion because it reeked too much of the false reassurances given just before the collapse of financial behemoths like Lehman Brothers.
It took a pointed question by Nominated Member of Parliament Eunice Olsen for the numbers to be revealed before the House a good three weeks later.
The fact that the $16 million in question make up just 0.8 per cent of the councils' investable funds is probably of little consolation to the hundreds of thousands of Housing Board flatowners who contribute regularly to this fund through their service and conservancy payments.
Straits Times forum page contributor Liew Yeng Chee spoke for many when he asked if town councils should be allowed to invest in such risky products. More pertinently, he asked: 'Is there a case to be made for mis-selling, despite the fact that we assume the town council staff who made the investments were talented?'
The questions implied that town councils are run with the precision and efficacy of the civil service, a picture incongruent with that given by Senior Minister of State for National Development Grace Fu during the recent parliamentary session.
The Government, she said, intends to stick to its long-standing policy of 'devolving' local management to town councils. Already, they are required to limit their investments in non-government stocks, funds or securities to 35 per cent of their sinking fund. Ms Fu said 'it is neither practical nor desirable' for the Ministry of National Development to be 'overly prescriptive' about the councils' investments. She added that it should be left to residents to question their town councils' decisions.
The policy goes back 20 years, when such municipal authorities were created to draw a clear link between voters' choice of politicians and their living environment. The idea was that people would think harder before casting a rash vote in case they get an MP who is incapable of overseeing their district for the next five years or so.
Town councillors, in turn, are volunteers drawn from the ranks of resident grassroots leaders. About one-third of each town's councillors are 'non-residents' who live outside the constituency or within the constituency's private estates and are selected by the elected Members of Parliament for their expertise in a particular area, such as auditing or property management.
Together with resident town councillors, they oversee the work of professional estate managers, fund managers and other staff they hire.
This model, however, is worlds away from the layman's perception that the 14 PAP town councils are government bodies run with the uniformity of one professional outfit. The reality is that their directions and levels of expertise vary.
A case in point: The investments in toxic financial products are not spread out among the 14, but concentrated in the portfolios of the Holland-Bukit Panjang Town Council ($8 million) and Pasir-Ris Punggol ($4 million). Among the other 12, at least one had insisted its fund managers guarantee capital protection, which probably lowered potential returns but, in the light of the financial situation now, was a wise call.
Meanwhile, the opposition Hougang and Potong Pasir town councils appear relatively unscathed as they had chosen a more conservative investment strategy.
Going forward, town councils may be forced to open up their books because of the public scrutiny over this affair. Spooked residents will inevitably want to know exactly what their town councils have invested in - something they cannot find in current annual reports.
Beyond that, however, perhaps it is time to review their scope of work, which runs the gamut from maintaining estates to upgrading lifts and managing funds.
The town councils we see today are amalgamated giants of their former selves, having grown alongside the expansion of group representation constituencies. Their number has shrunk from 23 in 1995 to just 16 now despite the fact that Singapore's population has grown from 3.5 million to 4.8 million. Tanjong Pagar Town Council, for example, looks after some 60,000 HDB households in a GRC that extends from Tanjong Pagar up north to Moulmein.
The town councils today are custodians of more than $1 billion in investable funds. This kitty can only get bigger as Singapore's crop of flats ages because a fixed portion of the service and conservancy charges each flatowner pays is set aside in the sinking fund each month.
Are town councils in the best position to manage these funds? Are they perhaps being stretched beyond their capabilities trying to make the best of these sizeable public funds?
Given the complexity of the current financial climate, some quarters in the financial sector are wondering if it may be better for the Government to centralise the management of sinking funds.
After all, devolving authority is never an irreversible process. The screws were recently tightened on the amount of money that Central Provident Fund members can withdraw for investments after it was found that many members were not earning enough returns to beat the CPF rate.
And the fact that town councils - despite having the advice of fund managers - have joined the thousands of investors sitting on toxic structured products means that they are no more immune to the vagaries of the market than the average investor.
Rather than treating this episode as part and parcel of the investment process, should we be looking for more sure ways to protect sinking funds islandwide?
This might require rolling back somewhat on the two-decade long policy of letting the electorate feel the consequences of its choice at the ballot box.
It would require the PAP Government to safeguard the sinking funds of all Singaporean flatowners - including those living in opposition wards - for the greater good. It will also free town councils to focus on their core competency of estate management.
From a political point of view, it may be an unsavoury prospect. But extraordinary times like these call for an equally radical rethink of the ground rules.
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Going forward, town councils may be forced to open up their books because of the public scrutiny over this affair. Spooked residents will inevitably want to know exactly what their town councils have invested in - something they cannot find in current annual reports.
 

Ramseth

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Not so long ago, I recall SM Goh Chok Tong telling Hougang residents to check Hougang Town Council's books. Why aren't or can't be PAP Town Councils opening up their own books to their own residents?
 

chinkangkor

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This kitty can only get bigger as Singapore's crop of flats ages because a fixed portion of the service and conservancy charges each flatowner pays is set aside in the sinking fund each month.

The amount in the sinking fund should get smaller as flats ages in the estates because the $$$ will start to be used for long-term and cyclical expenditure in the not so distant future.
 

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When the issue first surfaced late last month, PAP town councils' coordinating chairman Teo Ho Pin declined to give specific figures to the media.
He would say only that the councils' exposure was limited and their sinking funds - which are used for long-term cyclical repairs or major projects - are 'in safe hands'. But that only fuelled suspicion because it reeked too much of the false reassurances given just before the collapse of financial behemoths like Lehman Brothers.

It took a pointed question by Nominated Member of Parliament Eunice Olsen for the numbers to be revealed before the House a good three weeks later.

The fact that the $16 million in question make up just 0.8 per cent of the councils' investable funds is probably of little consolation to the hundreds of thousands of Housing Board flatowners who contribute regularly to this fund through their service and conservancy payments.



Straits Times forum page contributor Liew Yeng Chee spoke for many when he asked if town councils should be allowed to invest in such risky products.

More pertinently, he asked: 'Is there a case to be made for mis-selling, despite the fact that we assume the town council staff who made the investments were talented?'

The questions implied that town councils are run with the precision and efficacy of the civil service, a picture incongruent with that given by Senior Minister of State for National Development Grace Fu during the recent parliamentary session.

The Government, she said, intends to stick to its long-standing policy of 'devolving' local management to town councils. Already, they are required to limit their investments in non-government stocks, funds or securities to 35 per cent of their sinking fund. Ms Fu said 'it is neither practical nor desirable' for the Ministry of National Development to be 'overly prescriptive' about the councils' investments. She added that it should be left to residents to question their town councils' decisions.

How and where can a resident question about the town councils charges leave alone its investments?



The policy goes back 20 years, when such municipal authorities were created to draw a clear link between voters' choice of politicians and their living environment. The idea was that people would think harder before casting a rash vote in case they get an MP who is incapable of overseeing their district for the next five years or so.


Town councillors, in turn, are volunteers drawn from the ranks of resident grassroots leaders. About one-third of each town's councillors are 'non-residents' who live outside the constituency or within the constituency's private estates and are selected by the elected Members of Parliament for their expertise in a particular area, such as auditing or property management.

Together with resident town councillors, they oversee the work of professional estate managers, fund managers and other staff they hire.


This model, however, is worlds away from the layman's perception that the 14PAP town councils are government bodies run with the uniformity of one professional outfit. The reality is that their directions and levels of expertise vary.


The layman voted for someone to run the country. The person the layman voted for, appointed other layman to run the country. Who is to be blamed. The layman who voted or the elected who employed layman to rule layman.


A case in point: The investments in toxic financial products are not spread out among the 14, but concentrated in the portfolios of the Holland-Bukit Panjang Town Council ($8 million) and Pasir-Ris Punggol ($4 million). Among the other 12, at least one had insisted its fund managers guarantee capital protection, which probably lowered potential returns but, in the light of the financial situation now, was a wise call.

Meanwhile, the opposition Hougang and Potong Pasir town councils appear relatively unscathed as they had chosen a more conservative investment strategy.


Going forward, town councils may be forced to open up their books because of the public scrutiny over this affair. Spooked residents will inevitably want to know exactly what their town councils have invested in - something they cannot find in current annual reports.

Beyond that, however, perhaps it is time to review their scope of work, which runs the gamut from maintaining estates to upgrading lifts and managing funds.

Besides Investing the extras and knowing the investors are the poor paying concervancy charges.


The town councils we see today are amalgamated giants of their former selves, having grown alongside the expansion of group representation constituencies. Their number has shrunk from 23 in 1995 to just 16 now despite the fact that Singapore's population has grown from 3.5 million to 4.8 million. Tanjong Pagar Town Council, for example, looks after some 60,000 HDB households in a GRC that extends from Tanjong Pagar up north to Moulmein.

The town councils today are custodians of more than $1 billion in investable funds. This kitty can only get bigger as Singapore's crop of flats ages because a fixed portion of the service and conservancy charges each flatowner pays is set aside in the sinking fund each month.
Are town councils in the best position to manage these funds? Are they perhaps being stretched beyond their capabilities trying to make the best of these sizeable public funds?

Given the complexity of the current financial climate, some quarters in the financial sector are wondering if it may be better for the Government to centralise the management of sinking funds.


After all, devolving authority is never an irreversible process. The screws were recently tightened on the amount of money that Central Provident Fund members can withdraw for investments after it was found that many members were not earning enough returns to beat the CPF rate.



And the fact that town councils - despite having the advice of fund managers - have joined the thousands of investors sitting on toxic structured products means that they are no more immune to the vagaries of the market than the average investor.



Rather than treating this episode as part and parcel of the investment process, should we be looking for more sure ways to protect sinking funds islandwide?

This might require rolling back somewhat on the two-decade long policy of letting the electorate feel the consequences of its choice at the ballot box.
It would require the PAP Government to safeguard the sinking funds of all
Singaporean flatowners - including those living in opposition wards - for the
greater good. It will also free town councils to focus on their core competency of estate management.


From a political point of view, it may be an unsavoury prospect. But extraordinary times like these call for an equally radical rethink of the ground rules.
[email protected]

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More transparency
Going forward, town councils may be forced to open up their books because of the public scrutiny over this affair. Spooked residents will inevitably want to know exactly what their town councils have invested in - something they cannot find in current annual reports.

Going forward, learn to Paparagraph! first!
 

AvalanCh3

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yea our ministers town council lose money and i tot they are suppose to walk in with their eyes open. no wonder they always doze off at parliment.
 

Leegimeremover

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SBF is now no longer the rumour mongering no standard forum anymore like how a so called researcher from IPS tries to discredit. LKY is nothing in any place outside Singapore. The reason why he is allowed to get away with everything has less to do with Singaporean support than the fact of external support. CIA likes to replace governments and leaders. The confessions of an economic hitman are clear and true. The mistakes Leegime has made in any other modern country would have unthinkable consequences. Go figure, dogs.
 

madmansg

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Tan Hui Yee is a idot from sph. Is this the kind of jounalist sph can employ with only half a brain ? This dumb jounalist is in effect asking town council to get out at the bottom of the market. what if the stock market go up 50 percent in 5 years time ? then this retard will write article about why town council never invested their money rotting in 2 percent FD.

GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK. I HATE ARTS GRADUATE WITH NO BRAIN AND ONLY LOVE NS.
 

Leegimeremover

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Tan Hui Yee is a idot from sph. Is this the kind of jounalist sph can employ with only half a brain ? This dumb jounalist is in effect asking town council to get out at the bottom of the market. what if the stock market go up 50 percent in 5 years time ? then this retard will write article about why town council never invested their money rotting in 2 percent FD.

GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK. I HATE ARTS GRADUATE WITH NO BRAIN AND ONLY LOVE NS.

PAP only hires shit it thinks it can control. Problem is incompetence fucks up the job. What is more dangerous is actually the elite that LKY tried to fix and ostracized. They can be a greater terror because of the the SPITE LKY has issued to them. Some are in Singapore and some are overseas. You wanted full mandate to rule, shut up and show your magic. You cannot do it, fuck off. You want to hang on like a laobusi, watch what happens. The options are clear. Your ex scholars are sharpening their weapons very very well. Do not think people do not know what you did to control and fix people physically, mentally and socially.
 

DIVISION1

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Singaporeans should learn to respect our leaders. I am recommending civic studies for our young Singaporeans to respect our leaders, starting with our MM, SM and PM!
 

Faidenk

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The fact that the $16 million in question make up just 0.8 per cent of the councils' investable funds is probably of little consolation to the hundreds of thousands of Housing Board flatowners who contribute regularly to this fund through their service and conservancy payments.


It's only 0.8% lah! What are you peasants grumbling about?
 

DOM the Clown

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Singaporeans should learn to respect our leaders. I am recommending civic studies for our young Singaporeans to respect our leaders, starting with our MM, SM and PM!

They are already doing this shitty thing!!! The social studies sec 0ne to sec four is blatant bull crap about how tua kee LKY is!!! :oIo:
 

DOM the Clown

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division1 pap dog, you get big bonus this year for being top internet dog..:oIo:

Bro,
Please read carefully. Bro division1 could be Mr Lucky Tan aka moneyhelp123 (or was it 345??). Otherwise, he could be AIR39 from the old sammyboys. Anyway, either one of them likes to sacrifice himself to draw flaks onto his "master". :biggrin:

We should be thankful to have this type good fellow around!

Cheers!
DOM
 

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the wolves are out, baying for blood over the latest revelation that eight of the 14 town councils run by the people's action party have invested $16 million of their sinking funds in troubled financial products.
The online forums are brimming with calls for heads to roll and questions on why stricter guidelines could not have been imposed on the town councils.
What doesn't help is the footdragging that preceded the disclosure.
When the issue first surfaced late last month, pap town councils' coordinating chairman teo ho pin declined to give specific figures to the media.
He would say only that the councils' exposure was limited and their sinking funds - which are used for long-term cyclical repairs or major projects - are 'in safe hands'. But that only fuelled suspicion because it reeked too much of the false reassurances given just before the collapse of financial behemoths like lehman brothers.
It took a pointed question by nominated member of parliament eunice olsen for the numbers to be revealed before the house a good three weeks later.
The fact that the $16 million in question make up just 0.8 per cent of the councils' investable funds is probably of little consolation to the hundreds of thousands of housing board flatowners who contribute regularly to this fund through their service and conservancy payments.
Straits times forum page contributor liew yeng chee spoke for many when he asked if town councils should be allowed to invest in such risky products. More pertinently, he asked: 'is there a case to be made for mis-selling, despite the fact that we assume the town council staff who made the investments were talented?'
the questions implied that town councils are run with the precision and efficacy of the civil service, a picture incongruent with that given by senior minister of state for national development grace fu during the recent parliamentary session.
The government, she said, intends to stick to its long-standing policy of 'devolving' local management to town councils. Already, they are required to limit their investments in non-government stocks, funds or securities to 35 per cent of their sinking fund. Ms fu said 'it is neither practical nor desirable' for the ministry of national development to be 'overly prescriptive' about the councils' investments. She added that it should be left to residents to question their town councils' decisions.
The policy goes back 20 years, when such municipal authorities were created to draw a clear link between voters' choice of politicians and their living environment. The idea was that people would think harder before casting a rash vote in case they get an mp who is incapable of overseeing their district for the next five years or so.
Town councillors, in turn, are volunteers drawn from the ranks of resident grassroots leaders. About one-third of each town's councillors are 'non-residents' who live outside the constituency or within the constituency's private estates and are selected by the elected members of parliament for their expertise in a particular area, such as auditing or property management.
Together with resident town councillors, they oversee the work of professional estate managers, fund managers and other staff they hire.
This model, however, is worlds away from the layman's perception that the 14 pap town councils are government bodies run with the uniformity of one professional outfit. The reality is that their directions and levels of expertise vary.
A case in point: The investments in toxic financial products are not spread out among the 14, but concentrated in the portfolios of the holland-bukit panjang town council ($8 million) and pasir-ris punggol ($4 million). Among the other 12, at least one had insisted its fund managers guarantee capital protection, which probably lowered potential returns but, in the light of the financial situation now, was a wise call.
Meanwhile, the opposition hougang and potong pasir town councils appear relatively unscathed as they had chosen a more conservative investment strategy.
Going forward, town councils may be forced to open up their books because of the public scrutiny over this affair. Spooked residents will inevitably want to know exactly what their town councils have invested in - something they cannot find in current annual reports.
Beyond that, however, perhaps it is time to review their scope of work, which runs the gamut from maintaining estates to upgrading lifts and managing funds.
The town councils we see today are amalgamated giants of their former selves, having grown alongside the expansion of group representation constituencies. Their number has shrunk from 23 in 1995 to just 16 now despite the fact that singapore's population has grown from 3.5 million to 4.8 million. Tanjong pagar town council, for example, looks after some 60,000 hdb households in a grc that extends from tanjong pagar up north to moulmein.
The town councils today are custodians of more than $1 billion in investable funds. This kitty can only get bigger as singapore's crop of flats ages because a fixed portion of the service and conservancy charges each flatowner pays is set aside in the sinking fund each month.
Are town councils in the best position to manage these funds? Are they perhaps being stretched beyond their capabilities trying to make the best of these sizeable public funds?
Given the complexity of the current financial climate, some quarters in the financial sector are wondering if it may be better for the government to centralise the management of sinking funds.
After all, devolving authority is never an irreversible process. The screws were recently tightened on the amount of money that central provident fund members can withdraw for investments after it was found that many members were not earning enough returns to beat the cpf rate.
And the fact that town councils - despite having the advice of fund managers - have joined the thousands of investors sitting on toxic structured products means that they are no more immune to the vagaries of the market than the average investor.
Rather than treating this episode as part and parcel of the investment process, should we be looking for more sure ways to protect sinking funds islandwide?
This might require rolling back somewhat on the two-decade long policy of letting the electorate feel the consequences of its choice at the ballot box.
It would require the pap government to safeguard the sinking funds of all singaporean flatowners - including those living in opposition wards - for the greater good. It will also free town councils to focus on their core competency of estate management.
From a political point of view, it may be an unsavoury prospect. But extraordinary times like these call for an equally radical rethink of the ground rules.
[email protected]

<hr width="50%" size=1>
more transparency
going forward, town councils may be forced to open up their books because of the public scrutiny over this affair. Spooked residents will inevitably want to know exactly what their town councils have invested in - something they cannot find in current annual reports.
as usual demonising the net citizens !!!!!!!!
 

annexa

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Together with resident town councillors, they oversee the work of professional estate managers, fund managers and other staff they hire.
Ah, so who dishes out all the juicy town council contracts? Can open up book for us to see the bids and who bidded, who won? We also want to know who is related to who in the TC pls. Thank you hor.
 

myo539

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Tan Hui Yee is a idot from sph... Is this the kind of jounalist sph can employ with only half a brain ?


At least he served his full time NS without having to KPKB. Yesterday even read that even PRs are willing to serve NS. IT makes boys into men - except for a small minority.
 
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