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中国歼10B为何没用苏35矢量喷管？再见了俄罗斯技术
中国歼10B为何没用苏35矢量喷管？再见了俄罗斯技术
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2018年珠海航展即将开幕，每两年一届的珠海航展对于中国的军迷来说，就像四年一届的世界杯足球赛，每一届都充满了新意和特色，尤其最近几年，珠海航展渐渐不再飞机一家独霸，而是海陆空天电齐飞，枪炮坦克四处横行的综合性防务展，这也是世界航展的一个新玩法，不仅仅就看紧张刺激的飞行表演和空姐，也看看铁甲碾压四方的杀威！
今年航展俄罗斯人严重缺席，不管是勇士飞行表演队还是雨燕飞行表演队，而且最令人不解的是，苏35战斗机也缺席，这让一些已经买票的观众产生了一种很受伤的感觉，有点冲动的呐喊：老板，换片，老板，退票。
换装了苏30SM战斗机的俄罗斯勇士飞行表演队飞行更精彩，可惜今年不来珠海了
当然，作为航展重磅参展商兼“广告商”的中国空军和中国航空工业，则是无法接受这种事情的发生，为了突出中国自主创新的成就，派出了2大重磅巨星参展，这就是歼20和歼10B战斗机。
一样花开为底迟：中国离发动机强国的路还有多远1/22
查看原图图集模式
近日，国内杂志曝光了我国歼-10B战斗机换装推力矢量控制发动机试飞的图片，这也让从去年开始就传的沸沸扬扬的歼-10B战斗机换装推力矢量控制发动机的消息最终尘埃落定。也意味着我国在航空发动机领域的探索和投入终于又有了令人欣喜的成果。不过与世界其他航空工业强国相比，我国在航发领域仍有许多不足，未来我国能否在这些方面有所突破？本期《出鞘》我们就来谈谈我国航空发动机的未来。（查看完整内容搜索微信公众号：sinamilnews）
今天珠海上空出现了歼20战斗机，不是1架2架而是整整4架，前方的摄影师疯狂追拍，快门都快按烂掉，幸福来得太突然，让人措手不及，而更让人想不到的是，中国唯一一架推力矢量技术验证机-成飞歼10B居然也挂着3副油箱直飞珠海，实际上来说，俄罗斯飞机缺席的所有缺陷，在歼10B和歼20重拳出击后，都会得到弥补。
中国歼20来了，俄罗斯苏35来不来都无所谓，技术上差了整整一代
和苏35战斗机相比，歼20也有落后之处，这就是发动机没有推力矢量技术而且推力和推重比较小，这一点，空军也很清楚，歼20战斗机作为一款中国全力以赴的杰作，在展示上尽量不能带任何遗憾，主办方在机型安排上，也花了不少心思。
今天珠海的军迷是最最幸福的，大批歼20战斗机组团早早来敲门
细心的朋友或许会发现一个特点，这就是这一届的歼20战斗机不是完全版本，发动机不带推力矢量技术，还是比较传统的太行发动机，而苏35则是带推力矢量技术的，将航展亮相的歼20战斗机+歼10B战斗机的推力矢量技术，就将得到一个完全版的歼20战斗机。
歼10B战斗机参照，特别展示中国推力矢量技术
大家可以很清楚的感觉到，中国推力矢量喷管和俄罗斯苏30和苏35的都不同，最大的区别就是，俄罗斯的可动喷管特别长，而中国的特别短，外观几乎觉察不到。
这是歼10B战斗机推力矢量喷口特写，和普通太行发动机相比，就多了外面一小黑圈
苏35推力矢量，可旋转部位非常非常的长，这带来了很大的重量和阻力负担
中国很早就和俄罗斯展开了比较亲密的接触，苏27家族的很多技术资料和样品，都能通过各种渠道或多或少的流到中国设计师手里，为啥中国歼10B战斗机好端端的不用俄罗斯推力矢量技术，而是走“歪门邪道”呢？
推力矢量技术原理上并不复杂，复杂的是实现手段的高低之分
原因很简单，中国设计师摒弃俄式设计的原因很简单，俄制过于落后，可动段喷管过长，机构笨重，而且喷口使用寿命太短，美式设计才是王道，重量轻，结构简单，改装效果好。
这就是一种美制推力矢量技术样机，中国歼10B方案有点相似，但是结构不完全相同
俄罗斯人在总体设计方面有很强的天赋，善于使用一大堆弱项设备堆积出总体性能相当可观的产品，但是在分系统设计上，往往过于追求简化，推力矢量就是一个明证。（作者署名：大水）
Why is China's 歼10B not using the Su 35 vector nozzle? Goodbye Russian technology
Why is China's 歼10B not using the Su 35 vector nozzle? Goodbye Russian technology
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The 2018 Zhuhai Airshow is about to open. The biennial Zhuhai Airshow is like a four-year World Cup for Chinese military fans. Each session is full of new ideas and features, especially in recent years. The Zhuhai Air Show is no longer a single aircraft, but a comprehensive defense exhibition with sea, land and air, and guns and tanks. This is also a new way of playing at the World Air Show, not just watching the thrilling flight show. And the flight attendant, also look at the armor crushing the four sides of the killing!
This year's air show Russians were seriously absent, whether it was the Warriors Air Show Team or the Swift Air Show Team, and the most puzzling thing was that the Su 35 fighter was also absent, which made some viewers who had already bought tickets have a very hurt. Feeling, a little impulsive shouting: boss, change, boss, refund.
The Russian Warriors’ Air Show Team, which was equipped with the Su-30SM fighter, was more exciting. Unfortunately, the Russian Warriors’ flight demonstration team that did not come to Zhuhai this year and replaced the Su-30SM fighter was more exciting. Unfortunately, it’s not coming to Zhuhai this year.
Of course, the Chinese Air Force and China Aviation Industry, which are heavy exhibitors and "advertisers" of the air show, are unable to accept this kind of thing. In order to highlight the achievements of China's independent innovation, two major superstars have been dispatched. It is the 歼20 and 歼10B fighters.
The same flower is the end of the day: How far is China's road from the engine country?
View the original map mode
Recently, domestic magazines have exposed pictures of China's J-10B fighters' thrust vector control engine test flight, which also caused the news that the 歼-10B fighter jets to be loaded with thrust vector control engines from the beginning of last year was finally settled. It also means that China's exploration and investment in the field of aero-engines has finally had gratifying results. However, compared with other powerful aviation industry countries in the world, China still has many shortcomings in the field of aviation and aviation. Can China make breakthroughs in these areas in the future? In this issue of "Sheathing", let's talk about the future of China's aero engine. (View full content search WeChat public number: sinamilnews)
Today, there are 歼20 fighters in the sea, not one, two, but four, the photographer in front of the camera is crazy, the shutters are smashed, the happiness is too sudden, it is unpredictable, and even more unexpected. Yes, China’s only thrust vector technology verification machine, Chengfeiyu 10B, actually hangs three fuel tanks and flies directly to Zhuhai. In fact, all the defects of the Russian aircraft’s absence will be after the 歼10B and 歼20 hits. Get compensated.
China’s 歼20 is coming, Russia’s Su 35 does not come, it doesn’t matter, it’s technically a whole generation of Chinese 歼20, and it’s indifferent for the Russian Su 35 to come, it’s technically a whole generation.
Compared with the Su 35 fighter, the 歼20 also has backwards. This is because the engine has no thrust vector technology and the thrust and thrust are relatively small. This is also the Air Force. The 歼20 fighter is a masterpiece of China's all-out efforts. As far as possible, the exhibitor could not bring any regrets. The organizer also spent a lot of thoughts on the model arrangement.
Today, the military fans in Zhuhai are the happiest. A large number of 歼20 combat crews have come to knock on the door early. The military fans in Zhuhai are the happiest today. A large number of 歼20 combat crews came knocking early.
A careful friend may find a feature, this is that this year's 歼20 fighter is not a full version, the engine does not have thrust vector technology, or the more traditional Taihang engine, while the Su 35 is with thrust vector technology, will be air show Debut of the 歼20 fighter + 歼10B fighter's thrust vector technology, you will get a full version of the 歼20 fighter.
歼10B fighter reference, especially the Chinese thrust vector technology 歼10B fighter reference, especially the Chinese thrust vector technology
Everyone can clearly understand that the Chinese thrust vector nozzle is different from the Russian Su-30 and Su 35. The biggest difference is that Russia's movable nozzle is particularly long, while China is particularly short and its appearance is barely noticeable.
This is a close-up of the 歼10B fighter thrust vector spout. Compared with the ordinary Taihang engine, there is a little black circle outside.
Su 35 thrust vector, the rotatable part is very very long, which brings a lot of weight and resistance to the Su 35 thrust vector, the rotatable part is very very long, which brings a lot of weight and resistance burden
China has been in close contact with Russia very early. Many technical materials and samples of the Su-27 family can flow to Chinese designers more or less through various channels, which is a good end for the Chinese 歼10B fighter. Instead of Russian thrust vector technology, let’s take the “small tricks”?
The thrust vector technology is not complicated in principle. The complexity is that the high and low thrust vector technology of the implementation method is not complicated in principle, and the complexity is the level of the realization means.
The reason is very simple. The reason why Chinese designers abandoned Russian design is very simple. The Russian system is too backward. The movable nozzle is too long, the mechanism is heavy, and the service life of the nozzle is too short. The American design is king, light weight and simple structure. The modification effect is good.
This is a kind of American thrust vector technology prototype. The Chinese 歼10B scheme is similar, but the structure is not exactly the same.
The Russians have a strong talent in overall design. They are good at using a lot of weak equipment to accumulate products with considerable overall performance. However, in the sub-system design, the pursuit of simplification is often too much. The thrust vector is a proof. (Author's signature: Dashui)
中国歼10B为何没用苏35矢量喷管？再见了俄罗斯技术
中国歼10B为何没用苏35矢量喷管？再见了俄罗斯技术
1,103
2018年珠海航展即将开幕，每两年一届的珠海航展对于中国的军迷来说，就像四年一届的世界杯足球赛，每一届都充满了新意和特色，尤其最近几年，珠海航展渐渐不再飞机一家独霸，而是海陆空天电齐飞，枪炮坦克四处横行的综合性防务展，这也是世界航展的一个新玩法，不仅仅就看紧张刺激的飞行表演和空姐，也看看铁甲碾压四方的杀威！
今年航展俄罗斯人严重缺席，不管是勇士飞行表演队还是雨燕飞行表演队，而且最令人不解的是，苏35战斗机也缺席，这让一些已经买票的观众产生了一种很受伤的感觉，有点冲动的呐喊：老板，换片，老板，退票。
当然，作为航展重磅参展商兼“广告商”的中国空军和中国航空工业，则是无法接受这种事情的发生，为了突出中国自主创新的成就，派出了2大重磅巨星参展，这就是歼20和歼10B战斗机。
一样花开为底迟：中国离发动机强国的路还有多远1/22
查看原图图集模式
近日，国内杂志曝光了我国歼-10B战斗机换装推力矢量控制发动机试飞的图片，这也让从去年开始就传的沸沸扬扬的歼-10B战斗机换装推力矢量控制发动机的消息最终尘埃落定。也意味着我国在航空发动机领域的探索和投入终于又有了令人欣喜的成果。不过与世界其他航空工业强国相比，我国在航发领域仍有许多不足，未来我国能否在这些方面有所突破？本期《出鞘》我们就来谈谈我国航空发动机的未来。（查看完整内容搜索微信公众号：sinamilnews）
今天珠海上空出现了歼20战斗机，不是1架2架而是整整4架，前方的摄影师疯狂追拍，快门都快按烂掉，幸福来得太突然，让人措手不及，而更让人想不到的是，中国唯一一架推力矢量技术验证机-成飞歼10B居然也挂着3副油箱直飞珠海，实际上来说，俄罗斯飞机缺席的所有缺陷，在歼10B和歼20重拳出击后，都会得到弥补。
和苏35战斗机相比，歼20也有落后之处，这就是发动机没有推力矢量技术而且推力和推重比较小，这一点，空军也很清楚，歼20战斗机作为一款中国全力以赴的杰作，在展示上尽量不能带任何遗憾，主办方在机型安排上，也花了不少心思。
细心的朋友或许会发现一个特点，这就是这一届的歼20战斗机不是完全版本，发动机不带推力矢量技术，还是比较传统的太行发动机，而苏35则是带推力矢量技术的，将航展亮相的歼20战斗机+歼10B战斗机的推力矢量技术，就将得到一个完全版的歼20战斗机。
大家可以很清楚的感觉到，中国推力矢量喷管和俄罗斯苏30和苏35的都不同，最大的区别就是，俄罗斯的可动喷管特别长，而中国的特别短，外观几乎觉察不到。
这是歼10B战斗机推力矢量喷口特写，和普通太行发动机相比，就多了外面一小黑圈
中国很早就和俄罗斯展开了比较亲密的接触，苏27家族的很多技术资料和样品，都能通过各种渠道或多或少的流到中国设计师手里，为啥中国歼10B战斗机好端端的不用俄罗斯推力矢量技术，而是走“歪门邪道”呢？
原因很简单，中国设计师摒弃俄式设计的原因很简单，俄制过于落后，可动段喷管过长，机构笨重，而且喷口使用寿命太短，美式设计才是王道，重量轻，结构简单，改装效果好。
这就是一种美制推力矢量技术样机，中国歼10B方案有点相似，但是结构不完全相同
俄罗斯人在总体设计方面有很强的天赋，善于使用一大堆弱项设备堆积出总体性能相当可观的产品，但是在分系统设计上，往往过于追求简化，推力矢量就是一个明证。（作者署名：大水）
Why is China's 歼10B not using the Su 35 vector nozzle? Goodbye Russian technology
Why is China's 歼10B not using the Su 35 vector nozzle? Goodbye Russian technology
1,103
The 2018 Zhuhai Airshow is about to open. The biennial Zhuhai Airshow is like a four-year World Cup for Chinese military fans. Each session is full of new ideas and features, especially in recent years. The Zhuhai Air Show is no longer a single aircraft, but a comprehensive defense exhibition with sea, land and air, and guns and tanks. This is also a new way of playing at the World Air Show, not just watching the thrilling flight show. And the flight attendant, also look at the armor crushing the four sides of the killing!
This year's air show Russians were seriously absent, whether it was the Warriors Air Show Team or the Swift Air Show Team, and the most puzzling thing was that the Su 35 fighter was also absent, which made some viewers who had already bought tickets have a very hurt. Feeling, a little impulsive shouting: boss, change, boss, refund.
The Russian Warriors’ Air Show Team, which was equipped with the Su-30SM fighter, was more exciting. Unfortunately, the Russian Warriors’ flight demonstration team that did not come to Zhuhai this year and replaced the Su-30SM fighter was more exciting. Unfortunately, it’s not coming to Zhuhai this year.
Of course, the Chinese Air Force and China Aviation Industry, which are heavy exhibitors and "advertisers" of the air show, are unable to accept this kind of thing. In order to highlight the achievements of China's independent innovation, two major superstars have been dispatched. It is the 歼20 and 歼10B fighters.
The same flower is the end of the day: How far is China's road from the engine country?
View the original map mode
Recently, domestic magazines have exposed pictures of China's J-10B fighters' thrust vector control engine test flight, which also caused the news that the 歼-10B fighter jets to be loaded with thrust vector control engines from the beginning of last year was finally settled. It also means that China's exploration and investment in the field of aero-engines has finally had gratifying results. However, compared with other powerful aviation industry countries in the world, China still has many shortcomings in the field of aviation and aviation. Can China make breakthroughs in these areas in the future? In this issue of "Sheathing", let's talk about the future of China's aero engine. (View full content search WeChat public number: sinamilnews)
Today, there are 歼20 fighters in the sea, not one, two, but four, the photographer in front of the camera is crazy, the shutters are smashed, the happiness is too sudden, it is unpredictable, and even more unexpected. Yes, China’s only thrust vector technology verification machine, Chengfeiyu 10B, actually hangs three fuel tanks and flies directly to Zhuhai. In fact, all the defects of the Russian aircraft’s absence will be after the 歼10B and 歼20 hits. Get compensated.
China’s 歼20 is coming, Russia’s Su 35 does not come, it doesn’t matter, it’s technically a whole generation of Chinese 歼20, and it’s indifferent for the Russian Su 35 to come, it’s technically a whole generation.
Compared with the Su 35 fighter, the 歼20 also has backwards. This is because the engine has no thrust vector technology and the thrust and thrust are relatively small. This is also the Air Force. The 歼20 fighter is a masterpiece of China's all-out efforts. As far as possible, the exhibitor could not bring any regrets. The organizer also spent a lot of thoughts on the model arrangement.
Today, the military fans in Zhuhai are the happiest. A large number of 歼20 combat crews have come to knock on the door early. The military fans in Zhuhai are the happiest today. A large number of 歼20 combat crews came knocking early.
A careful friend may find a feature, this is that this year's 歼20 fighter is not a full version, the engine does not have thrust vector technology, or the more traditional Taihang engine, while the Su 35 is with thrust vector technology, will be air show Debut of the 歼20 fighter + 歼10B fighter's thrust vector technology, you will get a full version of the 歼20 fighter.
歼10B fighter reference, especially the Chinese thrust vector technology 歼10B fighter reference, especially the Chinese thrust vector technology
Everyone can clearly understand that the Chinese thrust vector nozzle is different from the Russian Su-30 and Su 35. The biggest difference is that Russia's movable nozzle is particularly long, while China is particularly short and its appearance is barely noticeable.
This is a close-up of the 歼10B fighter thrust vector spout. Compared with the ordinary Taihang engine, there is a little black circle outside.
Su 35 thrust vector, the rotatable part is very very long, which brings a lot of weight and resistance to the Su 35 thrust vector, the rotatable part is very very long, which brings a lot of weight and resistance burden
China has been in close contact with Russia very early. Many technical materials and samples of the Su-27 family can flow to Chinese designers more or less through various channels, which is a good end for the Chinese 歼10B fighter. Instead of Russian thrust vector technology, let’s take the “small tricks”?
The thrust vector technology is not complicated in principle. The complexity is that the high and low thrust vector technology of the implementation method is not complicated in principle, and the complexity is the level of the realization means.
The reason is very simple. The reason why Chinese designers abandoned Russian design is very simple. The Russian system is too backward. The movable nozzle is too long, the mechanism is heavy, and the service life of the nozzle is too short. The American design is king, light weight and simple structure. The modification effect is good.
This is a kind of American thrust vector technology prototype. The Chinese 歼10B scheme is similar, but the structure is not exactly the same.
The Russians have a strong talent in overall design. They are good at using a lot of weak equipment to accumulate products with considerable overall performance. However, in the sub-system design, the pursuit of simplification is often too much. The thrust vector is a proof. (Author's signature: Dashui)
