Shall I move this forum to discourse?

Leongsam · Nov 16, 2015

I would also like to warn everyone that discourse developers charge at least USD120 per hour so I may be begging for more money soon.

Discourse uses some weird programming script that I know nothing about called "Ruby".

Leongsam · Nov 16, 2015

8:35:54 AM [email protected] : Keep this in mind, though
8:36:06 AM [email protected] : and this is important, it is not something that can be changed later
8:36:16 AM [email protected] : that customization in Discourse is not like customization in vBulletin
8:36:21 AM [email protected] : it is more complex and more difficult to maintain
8:36:33 AM [email protected] : so in general Discourse is a good choice if you are OK with the basic package
8:36:43 AM [email protected] : the programming language it uses, Ruby, also leads to higher development costs
8:37:02 AM [email protected] : very difficult to find good Ruby coders below 120 USD per hour - there are, but not very reliable

Rogue Trader · Nov 16, 2015

You have a roll back contingency plan right?

Rogue Trader · Nov 16, 2015

Leongsam said:
8:35:54 AM
8:36:43 AM [email protected] : the programming language it uses, Ruby, also leads to higher development costs
8:37:02 AM [email protected] : very difficult to find good Ruby coders below 120 USD per hour - there are, but not very reliable

sounds like support is going to be an issue. Better think twice.

Leongsam · Nov 16, 2015

Rogue Trader said:
You have a roll back contingency plan right?

I'll import the database into discourse and take it from there. However, I doubt very much if there will be a fallback because if the discourse forum dies and I go back to vbulletin, the threads will all be out of date and I doubt very much if the membership will have the inclination to get things moving again.

This forum will remain during the transition period.. (unlike Delphi where I closed it)

Leongsam · Nov 16, 2015

Rogue Trader said:
sounds like support is going to be an issue. Better think twice.

Support for vbulletin during the early days was an issue too. However as the platform became more popular development costs dropped.

Discourse is open source so I'm hoping that there'll be sufficient freebies out there to keep things going.

Rogue Trader · Nov 16, 2015

Leongsam said:
Discourse is open source so ...

That's crucial difference actually.. being open sourced the product has no obligation to provide feature requests or even fixes. Unless your other shady ventures might be going on Discourse (and then you can hire and train a Ruby coder), you risk being held at ransom by this platform. Just my 2 cents

Talking Donkey · Nov 17, 2015

Rogue Trader said:
ok ok... do what you have to do and let us know when it's ready . We put our trust in you like how we do in PAP

Leongsam said:
Sorry but unlike the PAP, I cannot promise more good years. :p

It may be a huge flop but nothing ventured nothing gained.

Sorry boss,i don't trust the PAP but i trust you..go take the chance and change..

Leongsam · Nov 17, 2015

Rogue Trader said:
That's crucial difference actually.. being open sourced the product has no obligation to provide feature requests or even fixes. Unless your other shady ventures might be going on Discourse (and then you can hire and train a Ruby coder), you risk being held at ransom by this platform. Just my 2 cents

The same thing has happened with vbulletin which is a paid product so at the end of the day the risk is always there. There was a revolt within vbulletin and it has been left in tatters. Xenforo is what vbulletin should be today.

Discourse is like wordpress and joomla. They take on a life of their own and who knows where that will lead to.

eatshitndie · Nov 17, 2015

have you found alternatives yet to lack of ftp and ssh for remote login and file transfers?

Leongsam · Nov 17, 2015

eatshitndie said:
have you found alternatives yet to lack of ftp and ssh for remote login and file transfers?

I have done some research and I'm going with www.digitalocean.com which provides ssh remote log in.

However from what I can see the concept of FTP is outdated in this new era of cloud based hosting because there is no one server to upload files to. Assets for the forum will have to be in the forum database itself eg loaded into a thread.

The transfer of the database is going to take at least 2 to 3 days so it's early days yet.

eatshitndie · Nov 17, 2015

Leongsam said:
I have done some research and I'm going with www.digitalocean.com which provides ssh remote log in.

However from what I can see the concept of FTP is outdated in this new era of cloud based hosting because there is no one server to upload files to. Assets for the forum will have to be in the forum database itself eg loaded into a thread.

The transfer of the database is going to take at least 2 to 3 days so it's early days yet.

thanks! i've signed up with digitalocean and have to get used to it.

petebike · Nov 17, 2015

thanks for the link, will sign up and try.
give u feedback later, anyone sign up already? how is it? good or very good

Leongsam said:
http://sammyboy.discoursehosting.net/

(Link will be non functional by tomorrow so fiddle around if you wish before the account is cancelled.)

Tried it out and all is good. It looks like this is the way to go.

Ash007 · Nov 17, 2015

Any chance you can "migrate" the users login?

Leongsam · Nov 17, 2015

Ash007 said:
Any chance you can "migrate" the users login?

The whole vbulletin database all users... all posts... all threads intact will be imported into discourse.

I already stated in this post that I would be transferring the database.

Reddog · Nov 17, 2015

Mingalaba !

If it ain't broken dun fix it.

Leongsam · Nov 17, 2015

Reddog said:
Mingalaba !

If it ain't broken dun fix it.

I can assure you it's broken.

Leongsam · Nov 26, 2015

The forum database is simply too big. The import keeps stalling and is taking forever.

It looks like we are stuck with vbulletin.

I could use the discourse hosting account to start something new but I've pretty much lost the motivation and it would be an uphill battle in this day and age to start with a clean slate.

Sorry guys. Back to the drawing board.

The Penetrator · Nov 26, 2015

Leongsam said:
The forum database is simply too big. The import keeps stalling and is taking forever.

It looks like we are stuck with vbulletin.

I could use the discourse hosting account to start something new but I've pretty much lost the motivation and it would be an uphill battle in this day and age to start with a clean slate.

Sorry guys. Back to the drawing board.

Too many harimau boliao threads !

Leongsam · Nov 26, 2015

The Penetrator said:
Too many harimau boliao threads !

Those boliao threads are still part of the collective wisdom of the forum.

Shall I move this forum to discourse?

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