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Serious Fucking China helping M'sia narrow military gap with S'pore, PAP really stupid

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[h=1]why do the PAP persist in this stupidity? We help the Chinese so much, take in their unemployed, give them scholarships and citizenships, and all they give us is Suzhou, Terrex and now this. Helping malaysian screw us.

How China is helping Malaysia’s military narrow the gap with Singapore, Indonesia[/h] Chinese weapons present a tempting target for Prime Minister Najib Razak’s cash-strapped government and could add a new dimension to the fast-growing economic links between the two countries


From new surveillance aircraft to a revamp of the naval fleet, the hardware wish list drawn up by Malaysia’s military to keep up with amply funded regional peers like Singapore and Indonesia is no small ask – especially for Prime Minister Najib Razak’s cash-strapped government.
With no signs of the country’s current fiscal strains going away – Najib last year slashed defence spending by 13 per cent – some industry experts are predicting a possible low-cost workaround could be increased procurement from Chinese weapon suppliers.
Such a prospect would mark a major step up in the already deepening diplomatic ties between the two countries, which have seen Malaysia become among the top destinations for Chinese foreign direct investment.
For state-linked Chinese weapon companies, the prospect of a surge in Malaysian business is likely to be welcomed with open arms, military observers say, as they hanker for major export deals with countries that have traditionally turned to the West or Russia for their military needs.
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A Chinese military rocket launcher. Photo: AFP
Speculation about Malaysian procurement of Chinese weapons went into overdrive last week after two reports suggested Chinese officials visiting Kuala Lumpur had mooted the sale of advanced rocket launchers and a radar system for deployment in the country’s southern tip bordering Singapore.
Malaysia’s defence ministry refuted the reports, but some observers say the deal may eventually materialise in some form, even though the scale and purpose of the possible purchase remains unclear.
[h=4]11 projects that show China’s influence over Malaysia[/h] Malaysia last year signed a 1.17 billion ringgit (HK$2.1 billion) deal for four littoral mission ships – used for coastal patrols – to be jointly built by the state-linked China Shipbuilding and Offshore Company (CSOC) and the local Boustead Naval Shipyard. It was the first major defence contract between the two countries.
Collin Koh, a Singapore-based military researcher, said there were “reasons to surmise some kind of discussions on the [rocket launchers] purchase have taken place ... as part of a wider range of weapons offerings from China”.
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A Chinese artillery gun on display at the sixth China International Equipment Manufacturing Industry and Aerospace exposition. Photo: AFP
Chinese weapon suppliers have previously inked deals with the likes of Thailand, Cambodia and Laos, but a fresh pact with Malaysia barely a year after the CSOC deal would be seen as a major coup.
“If China wants to showcase itself as an emerging, credible global arms supplier, it’ll need to start sealing successful arms deals especially with countries that have been buying Western. Malaysia fits the bill,” said Koh, a research fellow with the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies in Singapore.
Li Jie, a senior researcher at the Naval Military Studies Research Institute in Beijing, said China’s key purpose was “to ensure regional security”. “Since smaller countries have no or limited ability to develop weapons on their own, they need help in order to defend against terrorist attacks and other threats,” said Li. “Just like helping Pakistan, China is also willing to help Southeast Asian countries – especially those with good relations with China – to improve their defence power. And these countries are purchasing weapons from abroad anyway. If China doesn’t sell to them, someone else will.”
China’s weapon exports lag the United States and Russia, but surged 74 per cent from 2012 to 2016 compared with the preceding five years. The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute in February said China had sold US$2.1 billion in weapons in 2016, compared with US$9.9 billion worth sold by the US.
[h=4]An election like no other, is it time for change in Malaysia?[/h] Increased Chinese military exports to Malaysia would add a new dimension to the fast-growing economic links between the countries, experts say.
NEW DIMENSION
China’s vested interests in Malaysia significantly deepened in 2015 after state-linked firms came into the picture to buy assets off the troubled 1MDB state fund months after its swirling debt levels and alleged involvement in wide-ranging graft was publicised. 1MDB and Najib – singled out for his supposed involvement in the fund’s corruption – deny any wrongdoing.
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Chinese Premier Li Keqiang and Malaysia’s Najib Razak in Beijing last November. Photo: The Yomiuri Shimbun
Bilateral ties further strengthened after Najib returned from a bilateral summit in Beijing last November with about US$34 billion worth of agreements for Chinese investment in his country.
Citi Research now estimates that Chinese funds sunk into Malaysian rail and port projects will reach some 400 billion ringgit in the next two decades.
“Naturally, therefore, Beijing will seek to peddle a wider array of arms to Malaysia, couching it within a broader ambit of promoting defence and security ties with the country,” said Koh.
He added: “Facilitating any Chinese weapons sales to Malaysia, just like the case of the littoral mission ships deal, are the defence funding woes faced by Kuala Lumpur”.
Austerity measures imposed by Najib, who is also finance minister, saw the defence budget come down to 15.1 billion ringgit (US$3.6 billion) for the current financial year, from 17.7 billion ringgit a year ago. That was just over a third of the US$10 billion spent by Southeast Asia’s top defence spender Singapore, and the US$8.2 billion spent by Indonesia.
[h=4]Why are Chinese moving to Malaysia by the thousands?[/h] Despite being Southeast Asia’s third biggest economy, Malaysia is behind Singapore, Indonesia, Thailand and Vietnam in terms of defence spending.
Jon Grevatt, a Bangkok-based defence analyst with IHS Jane’s, said apart from cost savings, strategic considerations would also be at play in any Malaysian decision to procure Chinese weaponry.
With countries like Malaysia, potential procurement of Chinese arms would be a way to “balance strategic relations with major powers”, Grevatt said.
He said Kuala Lumpur was unlikely to abandon defence procurement from the West any time soon. Among Malaysia’s biggest defence buys are its two Scorpene class submarines built by the French naval supplier DCNS in the 2000s.
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A French-built Scorpene class submarine. Photo: AFP
Even with the country’s languid economic state – seen as a symptom of investor jitters over the 1MDB graft scandal and depressed pump prices – the Malaysian military has not shied away from publicising its modernisation ambitions. Naval officers are pressing ahead with a “15-5” plan that would see the country’s naval fleet restructured from having 15 different classes of vessels to just five classes by 2030. The plan involves the introduction of a completely new fleet and the retirement of all 50 Malaysian vessels currently in service.
The air force has said it wants to boost aerial surveillance capabilities to meet a rising threat from Islamic State militants seeking safe havens in Southeast Asia. Defence Minister Hishammuddin Hussein last week said the military was considering buying second-hand P-3 Orion surveillance aircraft from Japan.
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A P-3 Orion surveillance aircraft. Photo: AFP
AND THE ROCKET LAUNCHERS?
The Malaysian military wish list – at least the assets publicly identified by officials like Hishammuddin – do not include the Chinese AR3 multi-range rocket launch system (MRLS) and the radar system mentioned in the news reports this month.
The reports in the Singaporean daily The Straits Times and the Malaysian online news website The Malaysian Insight quoted unnamed Malaysian officials. They were written by journalists known for their deep connections in the Malaysian government.
Koh, the Singaporean researcher, said “even if the deal does take place, it’s nothing bombastic”. He said Malaysia’s two immediate neighbours, Singapore and Thailand, were fitted with US and Chinese-made MRLS.
[h=4]What’s causing Malaysia’s ethnic Chinese brain drain?[/h] Malaysia’s Brazil-made Astros II MRLS has a longer firing range compared with the AR3 system mentioned in the reports. “So, the introduction of this rocket won’t alter the strategic military power balance in Southeast Asia,” Koh said.
Shahriman Lockman, a Malaysian military watcher at Kuala Lumpur’s Institute of Strategic and International Studies, suggested the reports were deliberately planted to spook the Lion City ahead of August 9, the 52nd anniversary of its acrimonious split from Malaysia.
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“This was either the work of a defence contractor or someone who wanted to send Singapore a message. That it was reported on Singapore’s National Day may not have been a coincidence.” ■
 

Satyr

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The PRCians can be turned into a fifth column. After the LKY school incident I guess the PAP woke up. A bit late as usual.
 

The_Hypocrite

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Actually mudland can do what it wants....it's a sovereign state...but if mudland wants to ally itself with ah tiong land and fight against the USA....it's not a bright move...ah tiong land has invested alot in mudland...but like all ah tiong investment...it's does little to benefit the people in the host nation.
 

scroobal

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The Chinese got better things to do than help the Malaysians get the better of Singapore. They are raping the Malaysians as they did cash strapped Pakistan, Sri Lanka, the African countries etc. For the Malaysians, every deal is an opportunity to take a bribe.
 

Papsmearer

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This is a recent development and a smart strategy on the part of PRC. They know that singapore is the bastion of the USA in south east asia and singapore helps immensely in projecting US military power in this region and beyond, through its support, repairs and replenishment of US aircraft and naval ships. By cozying up to the malaysians and offering them subsidized or free weapons, they put pressure on the US and on the PAP. Even if the Malaysians don't accept any of the chinese offers, they can use this as leverage against the US. And this would certainly be a counterbalance to the SAF's military superiority.

Imagine u are a Colonel in SAF Joint Plans and Transformation. Now you have to account for the very real possibility that all your plans in place for attacking Malaysia has to factor in the new player, China. Our contingency plans to attack up to and hold the Mersing Line, or even all the way to KL now has to account for the involvement of what ever military assets China has nearby. We used to have supposedly legitimate reasons to attack in Johor if certain scenarios were realized, eg water cut off by Malaysia, etc. I don't know what are the new criteria now, its been a long time since my SAF time. whatever reason or excuse we use, the US will stay out of it because they need our bases and facilities, and we are the only truly friendly face to them in this part of the world. If the malaysians fight back and ask for military help from other countries, which countries will be willing, able, and motivated to move quickly to aid them. Not the Indons, and not the thais. That clearly leaves China. will china come to Malaysia's aid in the event that they are attacked? Maybe? Its an opportunity for them to foster really strong military ties in this region and counterbalance the American puppet and proxy Singapore. why not? They can sail their naval vessels near the malaysian coast and shell SAF units from the sea.They can quickly land airborne forces in the northern airbases that are not in SAF hands, and their fighters can provide Combat Air Patrol over the Malaysian peninsula in the event that the RMAF has been defeated in the skies.

Even more worrying is the potential for 5th column activity in Singapore from the PRC. Not every single one of the 1 million PRC FTs in singapore is a 5th columnist agitator and saboteur. But you only need 500 to create chaos in singapore and tie up SAF units to look for them. Will PRC activate the 5th columnists if the PLA comes into combat with the SAF? Or will they directly attack singapore to take the pressure of their new allies the Malaysians. All these scenarios now have to be planned for. Fucking stupid PAP really putting us into more and more pickle barrels.
 

The_Hypocrite

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This is a recent development and a smart strategy on the part of PRC. They know that singapore is the bastion of the USA in south east asia and singapore helps immensely in projecting US military power in this region and beyond, through its support, repairs and replenishment of US aircraft and naval ships. By cozying up to the malaysians and offering them subsidized or free weapons, they put pressure on the US and on the PAP. Even if the Malaysians don't accept any of the chinese offers, they can use this as leverage against the US. And this would certainly be a counterbalance to the SAF's military superiority.

Imagine u are a Colonel in SAF Joint Plans and Transformation. Now you have to account for the very real possibility that all your plans in place for attacking Malaysia has to factor in the new player, China. Our contingency plans to attack up to and hold the Mersing Line, or even all the way to KL now has to account for the involvement of what ever military assets China has nearby. We used to have supposedly legitimate reasons to attack in Johor if certain scenarios were realized, eg water cut off by Malaysia, etc. I don't know what are the new criteria now, its been a long time since my SAF time. whatever reason or excuse we use, the US will stay out of it because they need our bases and facilities, and we are the only truly friendly face to them in this part of the world. If the malaysians fight back and ask for military help from other countries, which countries will be willing, able, and motivated to move quickly to aid them. Not the Indons, and not the thais. That clearly leaves China. will china come to Malaysia's aid in the event that they are attacked? Maybe? Its an opportunity for them to foster really strong military ties in this region and counterbalance the American puppet and proxy Singapore. why not? They can sail their naval vessels near the malaysian coast and shell SAF units from the sea.They can quickly land airborne forces in the northern airbases that are not in SAF hands, and their fighters can provide Combat Air Patrol over the Malaysian peninsula in the event that the RMAF has been defeated in the skies.

Even more worrying is the potential for 5th column activity in Singapore from the PRC. Not every single one of the 1 million PRC FTs in singapore is a 5th columnist agitator and saboteur. But you only need 500 to create chaos in singapore and tie up SAF units to look for them. Will PRC activate the 5th columnists if the PLA comes into combat with the SAF? Or will they directly attack singapore to take the pressure of their new allies the Malaysians. All these scenarios now have to be planned for. Fucking stupid PAP really putting us into more and more pickle barrels.

Actually the saf now is just for show n it's to give jobs to military scholars..if it's job is to defend the nation..the is no way the likes of kee chiu, pinky, tan chuan Jin, etc can be generals...unless it's those medieval armies where the commission is bought.
 

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Singapore does not have to worry because chink made weapons are so unreliable they won't last beyond a day of real warfare.
 

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Singapore does not have to worry because chink made weapons are so unreliable they won't last beyond a day of real warfare.

In modern warfare, the speed of it is so fast and its 24 hrs, one or 2 days is all you u need and it will be over. Chinese weapons by contrast are cheap to make and operate, simple to use (because they still have a conscript system) and simple to maintain and hence ideal for countries like malaysia.
 

Papsmearer

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Actually the saf now is just for show n it's to give jobs to military scholars..if it's job is to defend the nation..the is no way the likes of kee chiu, pinky, tan chuan Jin, etc can be generals...unless it's those medieval armies where the commission is bought.

Yes, in the overall operations and management of the battlefield, I think we will be hopelessly outclassed. But I don't think we will ever go to war without some US and jew "military advisers" standing next to the Paper generals in the ops centre, and holding their hands in all phases of the operations. having said that, unit for unit, I think we can hold our own. eg. every RSAF squadron is superior or equal to their RMAF counterpart and I would say the same for the armour units too. Its how and when they are employed that will be the crucial thing, and that will be up to the fake paper genitals. the outcome will not be good unless the US Military Adviser or IDF adviser (both minimum Colonel rank) is standing behind them and slapping them on the back of their heads for every stupid move and or catching their mistake before it becomes a disaster.
 

Taksama_b_l

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Chinese can easily help Malaysia OVERWHELM SG53 2X~3X not a big deal at all. They already helped NK to OVERWHELM Korean Kim Chi and Japs. Not necessarily must overwhelm every aspects, but just 1 or 2 crucial elements that is more than happy already. Everything objectives will be accomplished that way.
 

eatshitndie

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wait till China has an expensive war with India and USA.
who has the last laugh

and russia too. it's not rosy anymore between russia and prc as both sides are massing men and material at the border. putin has becum suspicious of xi - great development for rest of the world.
 

nephew_yap

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Singapore does not have to worry because chink made weapons are so unreliable they won't last beyond a day of real warfare.

Not really you know. Chinese weapons worked well in hardest environment without service and maintenance proven in many most 3rd world wars from Korean Wars, Vietnam, Pakistan-Indian wars, Somalia, Iraq, Afghan, Syria, Sudan, Libya, Mali, Bosnia, Croatia etc. American GIs saved their own ass by using Chinese rifles when their M-16 malfunctioned and played them out. Vietcong directly pickup Chinese rifles from m&d water of farmland to shot at GIs, no cleaning needed. Never Stand By Rifle like SAF.
 

eatshitndie

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Not really you know. Chinese weapons worked well in hardest environment without service and maintenance proven in many most 3rd world wars from Korean Wars, Vietnam, Pakistan-Indian wars, Somalia, Iraq, Afghan, Syria, Sudan, Libya, Mali, Bosnia, Croatia etc. American GIs saved their own ass by using Chinese rifles when their M-16 malfunctioned and played them out. Vietcong directly pickup Chinese rifles from m&d water of farmland to shot at GIs, no cleaning needed. Never Stand By Rifle like SAF.

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