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As for recycling, I know how to do the REAL recycle:

Recycle the majority of the 8 billion population.

Buried them all inside the deepest mines dug, and sludge pump grounded human back into the deep underground where oil & gas were extracted to pamper these men!

Underneath where there is no oxygen, and high pressure & temperature, it will begin to convert back into oil & gas! This is exactly how oil & gas were made by mother earth, from far pre-historic organism buried deep underground with high temperature and pressure & no oxygen.

The world's ONLY True recycling - patented by me!

In a billion years, new oil will be ready! Brand not BP Esso Caltex SPC Mobil etc, brand for this oil is "War is Best Form of Peace"! Huat Ah! feeling better than the Golden Escalator now.

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War can start any moment at Chinese Indian border:



http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/china/2017-07-04/doc-ifyhrxsk1700855.shtml



印媒称中印军方洞朗地区对峙近30天 双方已增兵

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  [环球时报驻印度特约记者 元贞 环球时报记者 郑璇]“印中陷入1962年以来时间最长的对峙”,《印度快报》3日称,印度和中国军方在洞朗地区的对峙已经接近一个月,双方都已增兵,印军士兵“枪口朝下,进入非战斗模式”。多家印度媒体连日都在谴责中国的“咄咄逼人”,分析该地区对印度如何重要,印度不能“抛弃盟友不丹”。但在中国外交部3日的例行记者会上,发言人耿爽一语戳破印度的假面具。他表示,据中方了解,对于印边防部队越界进入洞朗地区,不丹方面事先并不知情。这与印方所说的情况并不一致。印方为了掩盖印军非法越界,不惜歪曲事实,甚至不惜以损害不丹的独立主权为代价,试图混淆是非,这是徒劳的。

  《印度快报》称,洞朗地区的对峙已经超过2013年中印双方在边界线东段僵持21天的“帐篷对峙”,成为1962年边界战争后最严重的一次事件。印度军队在洞朗地区增加更多部队,中国军方在该区也增加了部队。报道引述消息人士的话称,目前印度在前方的部队阻止了中国军队和装备进一步进入该地区。而印度军队增援的部队距离对峙点20公里。《印度教徒报》3日说,印中部队在洞朗高原陷入“战争拔河”,中国开始在边境地区测试战斗坦克。

  在中国外交部3日的例行记者会上,这成为最受关注的问题之一。中国外交部发言人耿爽表示,此次印军越界事件发生在中印边界锡金段已定边界,与以往双方边防部队在未定界地区的边境摩擦对峙有本质不同。中印边界锡金段已由1890年《中英会议藏印条约》划定,印度历届政府多次以书面形式对此予以确认,承认双方对锡金段边界走向没有异议。条约必须遵守,这是国际法的基本原则。印度武装力量越过已定边界,违背了历史界约,违背了《联合国宪章》和国际法的基本原则,性质非常严重。他表示,中方已多次向印方提出严正交涉,要求印方立即将越界的边防部队撤回边界线印方一侧。

  6月30日,印度外交部就洞朗边界事件发表声明称,2012年中印两国就中印边界锡金段尚未最终划定达成一致。“双方只是认同了边界走向,有关锡金段边界的进一步谈判将交由边界谈判特别代表完成。”耿爽3日对此回应说,中方注意到,印方声明对1890年《中英会议藏印条约》完全避而不提,然而正是这个条约明确划定了中印两国在事发地点锡金段的边界线走向。

  “为什么洞朗和不丹很重要,印度不能抛弃自己的盟友”,《印度斯坦时报》3日发表评论文章称,要通过“大的外交格局”看待此次事件:“中国此举是要测试印度保护不丹的决心,放弃不丹不利于印度成为区域领袖的追求”。

  然而,印度口口声声要保护的不丹,有自己的想法。“不丹呼吁印度和中国缓解紧张”,《今日印度报》3日报道称,在中印口水战加剧时,作为“三明治国家”的不丹除了发表一则声明外,大部分时间保持了沉默。有高层消息人士对该报称,不丹对此事保持谨慎,是因为它无法承担得罪任何一个国家的代价。该消息人士称,“我们只是希望这两个强大、负责任的大国降低紧张态势,让边境恢复常态”,不丹方面不希望边界发生“突然改变”。作为小国,不丹感觉“很容易受伤”。该报3日发表对不丹外交事务专家的采访,该专家也表示,相信中国对不丹并没有恶意,不丹应该寻求与中国建交。

  耿爽3日说,中方对印度同不丹之间保持正常的双边关系不持异议。但我们坚决反对印方以“维护不丹利益”为借口,为其越界侵犯中国领土“正名”。洞朗地区历来属于中国,一直在中方有效管辖之下,不存在争议。中国和不丹于上个世纪80年代开始边界谈判,迄今已举行24轮。两国虽尚未正式划界,但双方对边境地区的实际情况和边界线走向存在基本共识。对于洞朗属于中国这一点,中不双方不存在分歧。

  《印度时报》“锡金对峙”专版3日报道称,印度陆军参谋长拉瓦特近日访问边境地区,视察了17山地师和27山地师总部,其中17山地师负责锡金段防务,在锡金东部有4个山地旅,每个旅3000人左右,所有高级军官都参加了讨论会。“一个印度”网站引述印度防卫专家塞加尔的话威胁称,如果中国不撤军,可能引发区域战争。印度亚洲通讯社3日称,受此事件影响,中国取消了印度记者团对西藏的访问。

  中国国际问题研究院战略研究所副研究员李青燕3日接受《环球时报》记者采访时说,此次对峙事件的核心根源在印度。近年来,印度面临的国内国际环境相对较好,因此野心膨胀。美印的防务合作把美国和印度的关系发展到一个新的战略高度,其背后存在着制衡中国的因素,印度也甘心充当这个角色。但印度没有认识到,中印两国都是发展中国家,最需要的是稳定的国际发展环境,这对双方都有好处。




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中印边界僵局不排除开战?中方:会采取一切必要措施
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  问:关于美国军舰进入中国西沙群岛领海,中方对此有何评论?有中国媒体评论文章称,中印僵局目前的严重性不排除会导致战争的可能性。你对此有何评论?

  答:关于美国驱逐舰进入西沙群岛中国领海,外交部发言人昨天晚上已经作了回应,我可以再重申一下。

  7月2日,美国“斯坦塞姆”号导弹驱逐舰擅自进入中国西沙群岛领海。中国随即派出军舰和战斗机对美舰实施警告驱离。

  西沙群岛是中国固有领土。根据《中华人民共和国领海及毗连区法》,中国政府于1996年公布了西沙群岛的领海基线。中国有关法律对外国军舰进入中国领海有关事宜作出了明确规定。

  美方打着“航行自由”的旗号,再次派遣军舰擅自进入中国西沙群岛领海,违反中国法律及相关国际法,严重侵犯中国主权,破坏有关海域的和平、安全和良好秩序,危及中方岛上设施及人员安全,是严重的政治和军事挑衅行动。中方对美方有关行径表示强烈不满和坚决反对。

  当前,在中国和东盟国家的共同努力下,南海局势趋缓降温,并不断呈现积极发展态势。美方刻意在南海挑起事端,与地区国家求稳定、促合作、谋发展的共同愿望背道而驰。

  中方强烈敦促美方立即停止此类严重侵犯中国主权、威胁中国安全的挑衅行动。中方将继续采取一切必要措施捍卫国家主权和安全。

  关于印度边防部队非法越界进入中方境内事,作为一条原则,对于媒体发表的一些言论,我们不会事事都作出评论和回应。中国官方已经多次阐明立场。我们要求印方立即将越界印方人员撤回到中印边界印方一侧。中方将采取一切必要措施维护中国的领土主权,这一点是毫无疑问的。
 

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Good, good, good! While China is busy with the Indians, Trump and Abe can bomb the hell out of those South China Sea military bases. Fuck China!

good job my fellow Chinese dog. We chinks need to be bombed and fuck China and us chinks.:p
 

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...rowl-in-indian-ocean/articleshow/59432702.cms


Amid border stand-off, Chinese ships on prowl in Indian Ocean

Rajat Pandit | TNN | Updated: Jul 4, 2017, 06.54 PM IST
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India and China are also currently engaged in shadow-boxing on the high seas in the IOR.
A Chinese Yuan-class conventional submarine is prowling in Indian Ocean.
This is the 7th Chinese submarine to enter the region since December 2013.

Amid border stand-off, Chinese ships on prowl in Indian Ocean
NEW DELHI: The India-China military stand-off+ seems set for a long haul with China responding to defence minister Arun Jaitley's remark that India is not what it was in 1962+ by saying neither was China+ and the developments coinciding with unusual activity of Chinese warships in the Indian Ocean.

Jaitley's comment was a reaction to China's blunt reminder+ that India should not forget the "historical lessons" of the 1962 war which ended badly for India. On Monday, the rhetoric grew more heated with the Chinese spokesperson noting China too is different and will take "all necessary measures" to safeguard its territorial sovereignty, a PTI report from Beijing said.

The sharp exchange comes as Indian and Chinese soldiers have dug into positions and pitched tents in anticipation of a prolonged confrontation near the Sikkim-Bhutan-Tibet trijunction, even as the Navy is closely monitoring "an unusual surge" in the number of Chinese warships in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR).

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Far away from this virtually eyeball-to-eyeball confrontation on the land border, which many believe will eventually ease with "some sort of mutual troop pull-back from the forward positions", India and China are also currently engaged in shadow-boxing on the high seas in the IOR.

"Indian naval satellite Rukmini (Gsat-7), long-range maritime patrol aircraft like Poseidon-8I and warships have monitored at least 13 Chinese naval units in the IOR over the last two months. They range from the latest Luyang-III class guided-missile destroyers to the more benign hydrographic research vessels," said a source.
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In Beijing, Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Geng Shuang said the Sino-India border in the Sikkim sector is well demarcated and said India had "trespassed"+ into Chinese territory. But while claiming the construction of a road — the bone of contention — was legitimate activity, China has chosen to ignore Bhutan's protest that its land has been encroached upon.

With the two armies unwilling to budge from their positions on the Doklam plateau, which is actually Bhutanese territory but being claimed by China to construct a motorable road towards the Doka La area held by Indian troops, sources say diplomatic hotlines are now working overtime to resolve the almost month-long troop confrontation in the remote border region. "It will have to resolved diplomatically. The two armies are playing the waiting game to see if the other side blinks first. As demanded by India and Bhutan, China should restore the status quo that it unilaterally disrupted by entering the Doklam area to construct the road," said a source.

As was first reported by TOI last week, both the armies have reinforced their positions in the region by pumping in more troops and setting up logistic chains for food and other supplies. The "pro-active stance" adopted by Indian troops on the ground, in defence of Bhutanese territory because it has "serious security implications" for India as well, has led Beijing to sharpen its public rhetoric against New Delhi.

But the Indian defence establishment is undeterred, with its troops holding the militarily stronger position in the area. "Indian Army's border management posture in the region, which includes the Doka La and Nathu La general areas, is geared to cater for any contingency," said another source.


With regard to developments in the Indian Ocean, a Chinese Yuan-class conventional submarine is also prowling the waters, after an operational turnaround in Karachi and backed by support vessel Chongmingdao, since April. This is the seventh Chinese submarine to enter the region—China usually alternates a nuclear submarine with a diesel-electric one — since December 2013, as first reported by TOI in May.


Interestingly, a Chinese intelligence-gathering ship Haiwingxing is also reported to have entered IOR last week to snoop on the India-US-Japan Malabar naval exercise in the Bay of Bengal from next week. China has deployed such ships in the past also to keep tabs on the Malabar exercise, which it suspects is a naval grouping aimed to contain its growing influence.


"The fast pace of construction of the Chinese base and support facility at Djibouti will only add to its capability to sustain its naval units in the IOR," said the source, adding that China's maritime surge in the region might have been planned to dovetail with its push along the sensitive tri-junction area on land.

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http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/chin...if-india-doesnt-listen-chinese-expert-1720367

China Will Have To Take 'Military Way' If India Doesn't Listen: Chinese Media
Experts in China have claimed that India is provoking China because it wanted to prove to the US that it could contain China while Prime Minister Narendra Modi was in the US.
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China Will Have To Take 'Military Way' If India Doesn't Listen: Chinese Media

Experts in China say Beijing would have no option but to use a military way of solving the problem
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The standoff at the Doklam area continued for the third week
The border with China in Sikkim sector is 220-km-long
Chinese media claims India lags far behind China

China would be forced to use a "military way" to end the standoff in the Sikkim sector if India "refuses to listen" to it, a Chinese expert has warned.

As the standoff at the Doklam area continued for the third week, the longest between the two countries, the official media in China and the think-tanks in Beijing have said that "war is possible if the conflict between India and China is not handled properly".

"China is trying its best to use historical lessons to reason with India and show sincerity in peacefully solving the problem, but if India refuses to listen, then China would have no other choice than to use a military way of solving the problem," Hu Zhiyong, a research fellow at the Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences, told the state-run Global Times.

Mr Hu claimed that India is provoking China because it wanted to prove to the US that it could contain China while Prime Minister Narendra Modi was in the US. Mr Hu said that Donald Trump was not like his predecessor Barack Obama.

"(Barack) Obama believes India is important only because they share the same values, but (Donald) Trump is very pragmatic, and he doesn't treat India as a valuable ally because New Delhi is too weak to confront Beijing," Mr Hu claimed.

"Although India always treats China as its biggest rival, China does not think so, as India lags far behind China," claimed Song Zhongping, a Beijing-based military expert. He was quoted as saying this by state-run Global Times.

"(Chinese) Experts also scoffed at India's military threat after Indian Defence Minister Arun Jaitely asserted on Friday that the India of 2017 is different from what it was in 1962," the report in state-run Global Times stated. Global Times is known for its nationalist stance.

"The gap between the militaries of China and India today is even bigger than in 1962, and I hope India can keep calm for its own good," Mr Hu claimed.

Since the standoff on June 6, when the People's Liberation Army (PLA) destroyed bunkers of the India Army claiming the area belonged to China, Chinese media have carried several pieces warning India for escalating border tension.

Of the 3,488-km-long India-China border from Jammu and Kashmir to Arunachal Pradesh, a 220-km section falls in Sikkim.
 

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India must withdraw troops from Doklam to end stand-off in Sikkim: Chinese media

By PTI | Updated: Jul 02, 2017, 07.57 PM IST
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BEIJING: Dismissing as "untenable" India's assertion that Beijing's construction of road in the disputed Doklam area poses "serious security implications", China's official news agency today asked New Delhi not to deviate consensus on developing bilateral relations.

Asking India to withdraw its troops from the area to end the current standoff, Xinhua news agency in a commentary said, "It is well known that the Sikkim section of the China-India boundary has been demarcated by the 1890 Sino-British treaty".

"After India's independence, the Indian government has repeatedly confirmed it in writing, acknowledging that the two sides have no objection to the border between the two sides of the Sikkim section," it said.

The Indian border troops' attempt to stop the Chinese military from constructing the road in the Doklam area has "cast a shadow over China-India relations", the commentary titled 'Don't deviate from the consensus on developing China- India relations' said, reiterating China's official stand on the issue.

While China has cited the Sino-British Treaty to buttress its claims, the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) in New Delhi in a statement yesterday said that "where the boundary in the Sikkim sector is concerned, India and China had reached an understanding also in 2012 reconfirming their mutual agreement on the 'basis of the alignment'".

"Further discussions regarding finalisation of the boundary have been taking place under the Special Representatives framework," it had said.

But, Xinhua said there were a lot of evidence, including images, that the Indian military has violated the historic treaty and the commitment of successive Indian governments.

It also referred to the Chinese Foreign Ministry's release of two photographs and a map on the issue. The map shows Doklam, a disputed territory between China and Bhutan, as part of Chinese territory.

Referring to the MEA statement, the commentary said "the Indian side has claimed that China's activities pose a 'serious security impact' to India, and it is untenable".

So far China has not officially responded to India's statement on this issue.

This is the second commentary by Xinhua today.

The earlier one said India should shed its "strategic anxiety" over the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) and join the Belt and Road Initiative to become a cooperative partner and not a rival.

The CPEC is a part of China's Belt and Road Initiative. India has been protesting against the CPEC as it traverses through the Pakistan-occupied Kashmir.

On the Sikkim standoff, the Xinhua commentary claimed that China is engaged in normal activities on its own territory.

"How can we influence others? In fact, it is the Indian side that has ignored international law and seriously interfered with China's construction activities," it said.

"On a higher level, the cross-border behaviour is a further departure from the consensus reached between the leaders of the two countries on the development of China-India relations," it said.

Quoting India's former national security advisor Shivshankar Menon as saying in an article recently that cooperation between India and China is good for the core interest of both the countries, the commentary said the trust can only be established with the people and the countries should be more honest.

"On the issue of border crossing by the Indian army, the Indian side should comply with the requirements of the historical treaty, earnestly implement the consensus that both sides have to respect China's territorial sovereignty, immediately withdraw the border troops to the border side of the Indian side and avoid escalating the situation," it said.

Stating that the "over the years, as two major countries on the Asian continent, China and India have reached many consensus on how to develop good bilateral relations", it said.

"China always attaches great importance to the development of Sino-Indian relations and is willing to work with India jointly promote the sustained and healthy and stable development of bilateral strategic partnership," it added.

China also emphasizes that the two sides should properly control and handle differences and sensitive issues, it said.

"The Indian leader also said recently that in a complex and volatile international situation, good India-China relations can play a stabilising role," it said, apparently referring to Prime Minister Narendra Modi's comments made during his meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping at Astana on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) last month.

"Both sides should tap the potential of cooperation, respect each other's core concerns and properly handle differences. These agreements are a strong guarantee for the smooth development of China-India relations.

"Since India has promised to 'properly deal with the differences' and India's foreign ministry recently said it 'cherishes peace and tranquillity in the India-China border region', why has it still allowed the Indian Army to cross the border? Why would it not acknowledge the mistake after the event? On the contrary why blame others while India itself is to be blamed? This is clearly paradoxical," the commentary said.

It also accused the Indian media of being "irresponsible" by hyping China threat, unjustly smearing China by "dividing" India-China relations.

"In today's world, win-win cooperation is the main theme, and 'dancing with the dragon' is the rational choice that meets the trend of the times," it said.

"China and India are two of the world's most prominent emerging economies, the common interests far greater than differences and with a pragmatic attitude, long-term view and aggressive attitude to expand and deepen bilateral partner is the right thing to do," it added.
 

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Eye on China, India pushes more troops in Doka La in longest impasse since 1962

PTI | Updated: Jul 3, 2017, 09.26 AM IST
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India brought in more troops after "aggressive tactics" by the Chinese People's Liberation Army.
The troops have been pushed in a "non-combative mode", the nozzle of a gun is placed downwards.
The stand-off in Sikkim is the longest between the two armies since 1962.


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Eye on China, India pushes more troops in Doka La in longest impasse since 1962
NEW DELHI: India has pushed in more troops in a "non-combative mode"+ to strengthen its position in an area near Sikkim, where its soldiers have been locked in a stand-off+ with Chinese troops for almost a month now in what has been the longest such impasse between the two armies since 1962.

India brought in more troops after the destruction of two of its bunkers+ and "aggressive tactics" adopted by the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA), sources said. In a "non-combative mode", the nozzle of a gun is placed downwards.

Giving details for the first time about the events that preceded the face off between the two armies+ , the sources said the PLA on June 1 asked the Indian Army to remove the two bunkers set up in 2012 at Lalten in Doka La, which falls in the vicinity of Chumbi Valley at the corner of India-Bhutan-Tibet tri-junction.

The Indian Army, which had been patrolling this area for many years, decided in 2012 that two bunkers would be positioned there as a backup option, besides providing security to the Bhutan-China border.

The Indian Army forward positions informed Sukna-based 33 Corps Headquarter in North Bengal about the Chinese warnings on the bunkers, the sources said.

However, during the night of June 6, two Chinese bulldozers destroyed the bunkers, claiming that the area belonged to China and that India or Bhutan had no right over it, the sources said.

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Indian troops on the ground prevented the Chinese men and machines from doing any further damage or transgressing into the area, they said.

Additional forces from nearby brigade headquarters, located 20 km from the face off point, were moved in on June 8 during which a scuffle led to soldiers on both sides suffering minor injuries.

PLA troops were rushed in from its 141 division located in the area, prompting the Indian Army to also strengthen its position.

This is the longest stand-off between the two armies since 1962. The last one, which carried on for 21 days, occurred at Daulat Beg Oldie in the Ladakh division of Jammu and Kashmir in 2013, when Chinese troops entered 30 km into Indian territory till the Depsang Plains and claimed it to be a part of its Xinjiang province.

They were, however, pushed back.

Sikkim, which became a part of India in May 1976, is the only state which has a demarcated border with China. The lines are based on a treaty signed with the Chinese in 1898.

After the India-China war of 1962, the area where the Indian troops are stationed was placed under the Indian Army and the ITBP, which is the border guarding force and has a camp 15 km from the international border.

As the scuffle broke out between the two sides, the Indian Army rushed an officer of the Major General rank to the area and a flag meeting was sought with the Chinese counterparts.

China rejected two such requests from the Indian side, but accepted the third call for a meeting, where it asked the Indian Army to withdraw its troops from the Lalten area, which falls in Doka La.

Doka La is the Indian name for the region which Bhutan recognises as Dokalam, while China claims it to be part of its Donglang region.

As a fallout of the stand-off, the Chinese refused to allow the first batch of 47 pilgrims, who were to conduct the annual Kailash Mansarovar Yatra, into Tibet. They also conveyed to the Indian side that visas of another batch of 50 yatris had also been cancelled, the sources said, describing the move as an indication of "increased tempers" in Beijing.
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The Sikkim route to Mansarovar, which is in Tibet, was opened in 2015, enabling pilgrims to travel the 1500-km long route from Nathu La to Kailash by buses.

It is not the first time that such a transgression has happened at Doka La. The Chinese forces had in November 2008 destroyed some makeshift Indian army bunkers there.

Defence experts believe China wants to exert its dominance over the Chumbi Valley, which is a part of the southern reaches of Tibet. By claiming the Doka La area, Beijing wants to maximise its geographical advantage so that it can monitor all movements along the India-Bhutan border.

China has also increased diplomatic pressure on India and lodged a protest over the alleged "crossing of boundary" by Indian troops in the Sikkim section.

They demanded their immediate withdrawal, as Beijing warned that future visits of Indian pilgrims to Kailash Mansarovar would depend on the resolution of the stand-off.

"Our position to uphold our territorial sovereignty is unwavering. We hope the Indian side can work with China in the same direction and immediately withdraw the personnel who have overstepped and trespassed into Chinese border," Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Lu Kang had told the media in Beijing last week.

People's Liberation Army spokesman Col Wu Qian also spoke a tough language while making a reference to the 1962 Sino-India conflict, saying that New Delhi should "learn historical lessons".

Qian described Indian Army Chief General Bipin Rawat's remarks that India was ready for a "two-and-a-half front war" as "extremely irresponsible" and asked him to "stop clamouring for war".

Rawat had said India was prepared for security threats posed by China, Pakistan as well as by internal threats.

"Such rhetoric is extremely irresponsible. We hope that the particular person in the Indian Army could learn from historical lessons and stop such clamouring for war," he had said.


Defence minister Arun Jaitley made New Delhi's stand clear when he said the India of 2017 was different from that of 1962.


"If they are trying to remind us, the situation in 1962 was different and the India of 2017 is different," Jaitley had said when asked about China's warning.


Of the 3,488-km-long India-China border from Jammu and Kashmir to Arunachal Pradesh, a 220-km section falls in Sikkim.
 

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This time, do not take prisoners, no surrender allowed.

Besieged troop and either suicide or fight to death or await for execution, no escape nor rescue should be allowed. Must die there and bodies not allowed to be collected.

Besiege the Indian troops and systematically execute them. Show the progress on live TV. Use that as bait to lure more Indian troops to rescue. Maximize the death toll. Bring the number to a level of historic records, then there will be true peace for very long time.
 
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They should start slaughtering each other to determine ownership of the disputed territory. That's so far the best way to settle disputes. Enough trash talking already! Let's see some blood!
 

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I seriously hope the 2 big countries don't under-estimate each other's military might.

I hope they both overestimate themselves and underestimate their enemy. Then we will have lots of news to discuss here.
 

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China is capable and strong enough to have more than a single war going on at the same time, In Chinese history this is absolutely common for thousands of years.

Even during WW2, KMT CCP were still having civil war while fighting Jap, at the same time, also fighting traitors' puppet states (2 such puppets setup by Japs = 伪满 & 伪南京 政权) 3 to 4 different wars going on at the same time. Much more exciting.
 

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China said Ah Neh must back down 1st Or WAR.


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Indian troop withdrawal 'precondition' for peace: China
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India and China have vied for influence in South Asia, with Beijing ploughing large sums into infrastructure projects in Nepal, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. (Photo: AFP/Prakash Singh)
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BEIJING: China warned on Wednesday (Jul 5) that the withdrawal of Indian troops from disputed territory was a precondition for peace as tensions rise in a border row between the two Asian powers that has drawn in tiny Bhutan.

Indian and Chinese troops are reportedly facing off on a section of land high in the Himalayas near what is known as the trijunction, where Tibet, India and Bhutan meet.

China has alleged that the Indian troops are on its soil, but both Bhutan and India say the area in question is Bhutanese territory.

India, which has a military presence in Bhutan, says its troops approached a Chinese army unit that entered the Doklam area of the Himalayan nation on June 16 and tried to build a road.

China's ambassador to New Delhi, Luo Zhaohui, said Indian troops should "unconditionally pull back to the Indian side".

"The Chinese government is very clear that it wants peaceful resolution at current state of the situation, for which withdrawal of Indian troops from the area is a pre-condition," he told the Press Trust of India (PTI) news agency late Tuesday.

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Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said Beijing has "repeatedly made such requests".

"If the Indian side refuses to correct its mistakes in a timely fashion, how is it supposed to win the trust of its neighbors?" Geng asked at a regular press briefing.

Bhutan, one of the world's smallest countries, has said the construction of a road on its territory is "a direct violation" of agreements with China.

"Bhutan hopes that the status quo in the Doklam area will be maintained as before 16 June 2017," its foreign ministry said in a statement last week.

Bhutan has no formal diplomatic relations with China and is closely allied with India.

The row comes as India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi prepares to meet with China's President Xi Jinping at the G20 summit in Germany this week.

China and India have a number of border disputes, although the section of the frontier that runs along the northeastern state of Sikkim, near where the current stand-off is taking place, is generally regarded as stable.

In 2014, hundreds of Indian and Chinese troops faced off on the de facto border known as the Line of Actual Control that runs along the northwest Indian region of Ladakh, overshadowing a visit by China's President Xi Jinping.

India and China have vied for influence in South Asia, with Beijing ploughing large sums into infrastructure projects in Nepal, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.

But the Himalayan kingdom of Bhutan has remained firmly within New Delhi's sphere of influence.
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Sikkim stand-off: No dispute with Bhutan in Doklam, says China
China today claimed that there is no dispute with Bhutan in the Doklam area as both the countries have a "basic consensus" on the boundary.
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Amid stand-off in the Sikkim sector, China today claimed that there is no dispute with Bhutan in the Doklam area as both the countries have a "basic consensus" on the boundary. There is currently a military stand-off between Indian and Chinese armies in the region and diplomatic tension has also heightened.

The standoff between troops of India and China at Doklam area started after Bhutan, which has close diplomatic and military ties with India, protested to Beijing about the People's Liberation Army (PLA) troops building a road in the strategic location close to chicken neck tri-junction.

"I can say that we have been stressing that Doklam belongs to China since ancient times. It was under the effective jurisdiction of China without any dispute. China and Bhutan had about 24 rounds of boundary talks," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang told a media briefing answering a question about Bhutan's protest.

"Although the boundary between the two countries is yet to be settled but we have basic consensus on the boundary and there is no dispute between both of us that Doklam belongs to China," he said.

Geng said China had been acting according to the agreements between the two countries and Doklam had been under the effective jurisdiction of China.

"Chinese activities (road building) in the relevant area does not violate relevant agreements and does not alter the status quo. The Bhutan side also knows it clearly. We will work together with Bhutan through friendly negotiations and jointly maintain peace and tranquility in the border areas," he said.

China yesterday ruled out of any scope for a "compromise" with India and put the onus on New Delhi to resolve the "grave" situation.

In unusually blunt remarks, China's Ambassador to India Luo Zhaohui said "the ball is in India's court" and it was for the Indian government to decide what options could be on the table to resolve the standoff.

(With PTI inputs)
 

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美印联手挑战中国底线 我军需做好在两地开战准备
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  新浪军事编者:为了更好的为读者呈现多样军事内容,满足读者不同阅读需求,共同探讨国内国际战略动态,新浪军事独家推出《深度军情》版块,深度解读军事新闻背后的隐藏态势,立体呈现中国面临的复杂军事战略环境,欢迎关注。

  最近中美、中印关系都遇到了不小的麻烦,不仅美国一再挑战中国底线,印度也赶来无理取闹,竟入侵中国领土。这两个国家一唱一和,都赶着给中国添堵,究竟为什么?

  6月16日,解放军在中国境内的洞朗地区进行道路施工时,印度边防人员越过中印边界的锡金段,进入中方境内,阻挠中方施工。印度陆军参谋长宣称,印度此次是在为2.5线战争(2.5线战争即美国提出的能够同时打两场半战争)做准备,应对中国、巴基斯坦和国内的安全威胁,并声称2017年的印度已经和1962年不一样了。6月29日,中国国防部新闻发言人吴谦大校就印度入侵中国领土一事表示:“我们希望印军个别人能够汲取历史教训,停止发表这种叫嚣战争的危险言论。”这是在西边的中印边境发生的事。

  而在中国东边和东南边,美国连续做了三件恶心中国的事。第一件事是6月29日,美国国务院批准总价值14.2亿美元的对台军售方案。第二件事是6月28日,美国参议院军事委员会通过对《美国国防授权法案》的一项重大调整,新条款同意美国海军军舰例行停靠台湾的高雄或其他港口,并允许美国太平洋司令部接受台湾军舰的进港要求。虽然上述法案新的条款还需得到参议院批准、再经众议院同意,最终由美国总统签字同意才能正式成为法律,但如果最终走完所有程序成为法律,将对中美关系产生极大破坏。第三件事是7月2日,美国海军“斯坦塞姆”号导弹驱逐舰未向中国政府申请,擅自进入中国西沙群岛中建岛12海里领海,中国海军立即出动两艘导弹护卫舰、一艘扫雷舰和两架歼-11B战斗机对美舰予以警告驱离。

  美国做的这三件事都触碰了中国底线,是中国绝对不能容忍的。7月3日,习/近/平/主席应约同美国总统特朗普通电话。习/近/平/主席强调:“我和总统先生在海湖庄园会晤以来,中美关系取得重要成果。与此同时,两国关系也受到一些消极因素的影响,中方已向美方表明了立场。我们很重视总统先生重申美国政府坚持奉行一个中国政策,希望美方切实按照一个中国原则和中美三个联合公报妥善处理涉台问题。”习/近/平/主席专门对特朗普说“两国关系也受到一些消极因素的影响,中方已向美方表明了立场。”可见中国对美国的行为已经无法容忍。

  印度为什么敢向中国发难?美国为印度撑腰是印度敢于跳出来向中国挑战的关键。最近莫迪访美时,两国发表的《联合声明》中美国对印度作出了多项重要承诺:一是重申美印紧密伙伴关系是这一地区和平与稳定的核心的战略定位。二是美国将继续支持印度早日成为核供应国集团成员。三是重申美国继续支持印度成为联合国安理会常任理事国。四是美国承认印度是美国“主要防务伙伴”,并出售给印度的22架“捕食者无人机”,这是美国的北约盟友才享有的待遇。美国的这四项承诺无疑给印度打了鸡血,令其忘乎所以,一头就撞向了中国。

  印度的如意算盘是在中印边境搞由印度主导的有孟加拉国、不丹、印度和尼泊尔四国参加的小型南亚联盟,在孟加拉国、印度、尼泊尔议会相继通过这一协议后,不丹却否定了这一协议。这让印度顿时有一种挫败感,因此在不丹并没有要求印度出兵的情况下以不丹的名义进入中国领土阻止中国道路施工。其目的是为了进一步介入不丹政局,并像吞并锡金一样,吞并不丹,使不丹成为印度的一个邦。由于洞朗地区处于切断东、西印度的战略要冲,印度担心中国在洞朗修筑的道路对印度构成军事威胁,因此不惜铤而走险,阻止中国修筑道路。这里我们不能忽视的另一个原因是印军参谋长所说的“2017年的印度已经和1962年不一样了。”这里专门提到1962年那场印度军队被中国军队打得像非洲斑马一样溃败的中印边界反击战,印度想报那次惨败之仇。还有一个重要因素是中国与印度的死敌巴基斯坦的友好关系、中国提出的一带一路和中巴经济走廊,这使印度感到了中国发展的强大辐射力已经扩展到了印度周边,正在影响印度的地缘政治。

  美国为什么在两国首脑庄园会晤没过多久、中国已经公布中美两国经贸合作成果第一批清单之后,又开始挑战中国底线?这是因为特朗普就是一个不择手段维护美国国家利益的政客和资本家,他的手段其实一直都没有改变,那就是威胁、恐吓、耍流氓,他如此缠绕中国,不断在中国周边挑事,就是为了不断获得经济利益,如果中国不能还以颜色,特朗普还会不断拿台湾、南海、朝核、香港等等问题纠缠中国,还会不断挑动日本、印度、澳大利亚、越南向中国发难,还会不断寻找新的矛盾冲突点,让中国疲于应付,不断向美国让利。

  印度和美国能够走到一起,是基于一个因素,那就是美国和印度都认为中国的快速发展对他们构成了威胁。中国、美国和印度这三个国家是当前全球经济发展最快最稳定的国家,以目前的发展速度,印度将很快超过意大利、英国、法国、德国和日本而成为世界第三大经济体,从2015年开始印度的增长速度超过中国,这使得印度的野心开始膨胀。印度虽然希望超越中国,但由于印度经济总量只有中国的五分之一,现实情况是,印度正在离中国越来越远,这使得印度开始抱美国的腿,进而铤而走险地对付中国。

  而美国则是另一种心态,中国目前的经济总量已经达到美国的60%,中国是11万多亿美元,美国是18万多亿美元,是世界上仅有的两个经济总量在10万亿美元以上的国家,后面的日本才4万多亿美元,德国才3万多亿美元,其它国家都在1万多亿或2万多亿美元。问题在于中国的发展速度是美国的四倍(2016年中国是6.7%,美国是1.6%),在全球各国都在离美国越来越远的时候,只有中国在迅猛追赶美国,预计10年左右时间中国会超过美国成为世界第一大经济体,因此美国绝不会让中国轻易超过。

  无论对印度还是对美国,中国都必须果断出手而不能任其猖狂。对印度,在警告之后仍不撤出时,中国要坚决消灭进入我国境内的印度侵略军,绝不能手软,否则印度会得寸进尺,步步蚕食中国领土。虽然我们希望与美国保持良好的合作关系,但既有合作又有斗争将会成为今后中美关系的常态,只讲合作而不讲斗争显然对中国不利。中国必须明确告诉美国,如果继续挑战中国底线,中国将首先在贸易上停止执行中美两国近期达成的第一批成果清单。其次是如果美国继续挑战一个中国底线,中国必须做好武力解放台湾的准备,让美国认识到挑战中国底线,绝不会获得任何好处。

  当前美国继续在中东与俄罗斯进行军事和外交博弈,这对中国是大好事,中国应加大对中东事务的参与力度,特别是增加对伊朗和俄罗斯的支持,尽量让美国重新陷入中东乱局而无暇顾及中国,这样既可以消耗俄罗斯的力量,也可以消耗美国的力量,同时为中国发展赢得宝贵时间,因为时间在中国一边,时间将决定中美两国在未来世界格局中的地位。(作者署名:李光满)
 

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Border Temperature rising as Xijinping & Modi both at G20 Germany. HELICOPTER CONFLICT. PRATA BLACK HAWK DOWN!

Xi & Modi can stare straight in person eye contact as their soldiers bleed and die at border! So SHOIK! No such thing in other wars! Only in ancient wars you stare straight at enemy commanders on horse back.


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印空军直升机在中印边境失联 残骸被发现位于深谷中
2017年07月06日 07:14 人民日报海外版-海外网
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  海外网7月5日电 一架印度空军直升机于星期二在中印边境失联,警方称,经过一天的搜索,目前已发现了飞机的残骸。据报道,星期二天气非常恶劣,失联直升机上有三名机组人员。印度警方称,残骸位于丛林深处,目前还无法接近,因此没能确认伤亡情况。

  据《印度时报》报道,印度阿鲁纳恰尔邦警察队,于当地时间周三,在一处深谷中发现了前日失踪的印度空军直升机的残骸。但三名机组人员依然生死不明。

  一名警察表示,“由于坠毁现场是在一处非常深的峡谷中,救援队需要花费一定时间才能到达。”

  据此前报道,4日下午4时左右,这架轻型直升机(ALP)是从印度东北部阿萨姆邦的提斯浦尔(Tezpur)空军基地起飞的。该架直升机正在一个洪水泛滥区执行援救任务。由于当时天气十分恶劣,这架直升机在印度东北偏远地区的“阿鲁纳恰尔邦”(中方称“藏南地区”)与地面失去联系。(编译/海外网巩浩)


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IAF chopper goes missing near India-China border

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An Indian Air Force helicopter with three people on board has gone missing near the country's border with China after taking off on a flood rescue mission, an official said Tuesday.

The Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH) had taken off from Tezpur airbase in Assam around 4 p.m., the official told IANS. The helicopter was on a flood relief mission. It lost contact in Arunachal Pradesh state in India's remote northeast amid turbulent weather. Arunachal Pradesh as well as some other neighbouring states have been reeling under heavy monsoon rains that have triggered landslides and floods.

"The ALH (Advanced Light Helicopter) had taken off from Tezpur airbase in Assam state around 4 pm (10:30 GMT)," he said, declining to be named.

Also on Tuesday, a Border Security Force (BSF) chopper carrying Union Minister of State for Home Kiren Rijiju had to make an emergency landing in a playground in Itanagar due to bad weather. Rijiju tweeted about the missing IAF helicopter.

"Weather is turbulent in North-East. I'm safe but the whole state machinery is geared up to locate IAF ALH chopper missing almost at same time," Rijiju said in a tweet.
 
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Two Chinese Army choppers in Indian airspace, IAF probing matter
Official sources said the choppers, which returned to the Chinese side after about five minutes, could have carried out aerial photography of Indian ground troops.
By: PTI | New Delhi | Updated: June 4, 2017 3:49 pm
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Two helicopters of the People’s Liberation Army of China hovered over Chamoli district in Uttarakhand Saturday, triggering concern in India’s security establishment about the PLA’s fourth such incursion into Indian airspace since March this year. Official sources said the choppers, which returned to the Chinese side after about five minutes, could have carried out aerial photography of Indian ground troops during what was possibly a reconnaissance mission. The Indian Air Force (IAF) is probing the incident, an IAF source said.

The choppers were identified as the Zhiba series of attack helicopters. On previous occasions, Chinese helicopters had entered 4.5 kilometres into Indian territory, an area that China claims as its own and recognises as Wu-Je. State and army officials have been reviewing the security along the 350-kilometre border with Tibet after China’s incursions into these areas, generally referred as the middle sector. Barahoti is one of three border posts in the sector, comprising Uttar Pradesh, Himachal Pradesh and Uttarakhand, where ITBP jawans are not allowed to carry weapons and are in civilian clothes under a unilateral decision taken by the Central government in June 2000.

In 1958, India and China listed Barahoti, an 80-sq-km sloping pasture, as a disputed area where neither side would send their troops. In the 1962 India-China war, the PLA did not enter the 545-km middle sector, focusing on the Western (Ladakh) and Eastern (Arunachal Pradesh) sectors. However, after the 1962 war, ITBP jawans patrolled the area with weapons in a non-combative manner, under which the barrel of the gun is positioned downward.

During prolonged negotiations on resolving border disputes, the Indian side had unilaterally decided in June 2000 that ITBP troops would not be carrying arms to three posts — Barahoti, Kauril and Shipki in Himachal Pradesh. Srikanth Kondapalli, Professor in Chinese Studies at the Jawaharlal Nehru University, termed these transgression as “testing the nerves” of India and said “after violating the Line of Actual Control in the Western and Eastern sectors, Chinese troops now seem to be focusing on the middle sector. It’s a cause of worry for us”.

The professor said after the June 2000 informal agreement, India did abide by all conditions under the assumption that China would yield on the western or eastern sectors. “But that didn’t happen. Today the PAPF (People’s Armed Paramilitary Force) and PLA are enforcing China’s claims there,” he said.

Kondapalli referred to regional equations giving a China a boost. He recalled that Nepal and India had differences on the source of the Mahakali river and in the background of China’s forays in Nepal as well as the latter joining the China-led One Belt One Road (OBOR) project, and said, “There have been some moves by the PLA to test us”. He said there had also been “a concerted effort” by the PLA “to test India” against the backdrop of the China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), a collection of infrastructure projects.

“So the latest intrusion is to test our nerves,” he said. He even said China could deploy Unmanned Aerial Vehicles in this region in “large numbers” to monitor Indian territory. “So the helicopter incident is a precursor,” he said. “A recce mission?” Security officials here felt that ahead of its transgression in the Barahoti area, the PLA could have conducted a reconnaissance mission using high class aircraft with Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR), which provides broad-area imaging at high resolutions.

The officials said the PLA’s ‘TupolovTu 153M’ aircraft had carried out two or three reconnaissance missions last year in the middle sector. They said there was a possibility that the same aircraft, designed by Chinese companies on the basis of technology obtained from the former Soviet Union, could have been used this year, too.

The aircraft flies at an altitude of above 40,000 feet and can go up to 60,000 feet to avoid detection by radars and can take photographs and cyber and communication signatures from that height. SAR enables the taking of high-resolution pictures even in inclement weather or in the dark.

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