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Serious Lee Wei Ling & Lee Hsien Yang condemns Lee Hsien Loong

PTADER

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If I remember correctly this was initially revealed by Scroobal (or another one of the forumers here) when LWL started the ball rolling on this...so it is likely he just posted from whatever he got here....

For correct attribution, the article was by Papsmearer made in October last year in his post entitled "Cause of the rift between LWL, LHY and LHL".

Cause of the rift between LWL, LHY and LHL

"A little bird told me this is the reason for the rift between the sister Lee Wei Ling on the one hand and Lee Hsien Loong and wife Ho Ching on the other hand.

After Old man died in March 2015, it was discovered that he had brought back many govt papers, some of which were potentially of a sensitive nature, and as well, among his private papers were matters relating to his assets in relation to his estates. Because no one could trusted to go through all the paper work and documents other then a family member, it was decided at the funeral that Ho Ching would take a 3 month sabbatical to go through all of it. Wei Ling was too busy with her practice and Hsien Yang was not too interested, so it came down to Ho Ching. That is why Ho Ching's sabbatical started in April 2015.

During the search of Old Man's documents, Ho Ching discovered the transcripts of Old Man's interviews and without consulting anyone assumed that they were state documents, among the many other state documents that were at the house. She handed the transcripts over to the cabinet secretary Tan Kee Yong, as his office is also located in the PMO. And he was some one she was familiar with as she sees him where ever she goes to the PMO. The transcripts were then turn over to the govt's care by Mr Tan and so she thought that was the end of it. It was only later when she mentioned that she had turned in the transcripts, that she was informed by Lee Wei Ling that those transcripts were the property of the Estate and not the govt. Ho Ching had a different opinion (which I agree with), and that is that since those interviews were made in LKY's capacity as PM, they cannot belong to him privately and has to belong to the state. While serving as Prime Minister, anything he says formally as in the interviews, should and has to be on public record. Nothing that a govt official puts into an official transcript can belong to that govt official.

As such, Ho Ching refused to retrieve the transcripts from Tan Kee Yong, and in fact on principal, it was determined by her that they were state property. As a result, LHL was put in a hard position. His sister wanted him to order the transcripts returned to the estate. But his wife told him that they belong to the state and hence, should not be returned. What was he supposed to do, caught between a rock and a hard place? In the end, he had no choice but to side with the wife or face matrimonial discord.

As a result, Lee Wei Ling, who had by this time pressured a reluctant LHY to back her up, launched the lawsuit against the state to get the transcripts back. The unnamed family member in the lawsuit that turn over the transcripts is Ho Ching. Of course, the judge already knew how it was going to play out and denied their legal action. Hence, the war of words erupted between LWL and Ho Ching and LHY. You have the monkey with the middle finger instagram by Madam Ho, and remarks such as "dishonourable son" by LWL. I think the rift is possibly irreparable now between LWL and LHL/Ho Ching.

Just my 2 cents. Please see next post for actual article."
 

gatehousethetinkertailor

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For correct attribution, the article was by Papsmearer made in October last year in his post entitled "Cause of the rift between LWL, LHY and LHL".

Cause of the rift between LWL, LHY and LHL

"A little bird told me this is the reason for the rift between the sister Lee Wei Ling on the one hand and Lee Hsien Loong and wife Ho Ching on the other hand.

After Old man died in March 2015, it was discovered that he had brought back many govt papers, some of which were potentially of a sensitive nature, and as well, among his private papers were matters relating to his assets in relation to his estates. Because no one could trusted to go through all the paper work and documents other then a family member, it was decided at the funeral that Ho Ching would take a 3 month sabbatical to go through all of it. Wei Ling was too busy with her practice and Hsien Yang was not too interested, so it came down to Ho Ching. That is why Ho Ching's sabbatical started in April 2015.

During the search of Old Man's documents, Ho Ching discovered the transcripts of Old Man's interviews and without consulting anyone assumed that they were state documents, among the many other state documents that were at the house. She handed the transcripts over to the cabinet secretary Tan Kee Yong, as his office is also located in the PMO. And he was some one she was familiar with as she sees him where ever she goes to the PMO. The transcripts were then turn over to the govt's care by Mr Tan and so she thought that was the end of it. It was only later when she mentioned that she had turned in the transcripts, that she was informed by Lee Wei Ling that those transcripts were the property of the Estate and not the govt. Ho Ching had a different opinion (which I agree with), and that is that since those interviews were made in LKY's capacity as PM, they cannot belong to him privately and has to belong to the state. While serving as Prime Minister, anything he says formally as in the interviews, should and has to be on public record. Nothing that a govt official puts into an official transcript can belong to that govt official.

As such, Ho Ching refused to retrieve the transcripts from Tan Kee Yong, and in fact on principal, it was determined by her that they were state property. As a result, LHL was put in a hard position. His sister wanted him to order the transcripts returned to the estate. But his wife told him that they belong to the state and hence, should not be returned. What was he supposed to do, caught between a rock and a hard place? In the end, he had no choice but to side with the wife or face matrimonial discord.

As a result, Lee Wei Ling, who had by this time pressured a reluctant LHY to back her up, launched the lawsuit against the state to get the transcripts back. The unnamed family member in the lawsuit that turn over the transcripts is Ho Ching. Of course, the judge already knew how it was going to play out and denied their legal action. Hence, the war of words erupted between LWL and Ho Ching and LHY. You have the monkey with the middle finger instagram by Madam Ho, and remarks such as "dishonourable son" by LWL. I think the rift is possibly irreparable now between LWL and LHL/Ho Ching.

Just my 2 cents. Please see next post for actual article."

Thanks for that - I did try doing a search before assuming so my poor research skills - so it was Papsmear and from this forum...

Meanwhile...what a timely discovery!:

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news...d-herself-to-lee-kuan-yew-s-8969176?cid=FBcna

Lee Hsien Yang says Ho Ching 'helped herself' to Lee Kuan Yew's papers; records show she was abroad


Mr Lee Hsien Yang says PM Lee's wife "helped herself" to Mr Lee Kuan Yew's papers on Feb 6, 2015, before she handed them to the National Heritage Board. However, Mdm Ho Ching was abroad at the time.

Singapore

Mdm Ho Ching, Mr Lee Hsien Yang. (Photos: Calvin Oh, AFP)
22 Jun 2017 06:41PM (Updated: 22 Jun 2017 10:55PM)
SINGAPORE: Mr Lee Hsien Yang on Thursday (Jun 22) accused Mdm Ho Ching, the wife of Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, of accessing some of Mr Lee Kuan Yew's documents on Feb 6, 2015 while the elder Mr Lee was "gravely ill" in hospital, even though records show she was abroad at the time.

Mdm Ho Ching had been accompanying Prime Minister Lee on a week-long official visit to Germany and Spain and was in Madrid on the date Mr Lee Hsien Yang mentioned. She returned to Singapore on Feb 7, 2015.

Mr Lee Hsien Yang had alleged in his Facebook post on Thursday: "LKY was admitted gravely ill into the ICU on Feb 5, 2015. The next day, Ho Ching helped herself to a number of LKY's papers. These she handed to the NHB (ostensibly on loan) under the auspices of the Prime Minister's Office," Mr Lee wrote.

"She had no business doing this when LKY was in ICU and it is deeply troubling that someone can represent the PMO despite holding no official position."

Mr Lee later amended his post to acknowledge that Mdm Ho Ching was overseas, as pointed out by Channel NewsAsia.


The papers mentioned in the post included a letter and a telegram dating back to the 1950s. There was also a memo from the director of posts dated Feb 11, 1952, which told postal workers that the British government had no objection to Mr Lee Kuan Yew representing them in their dispute.


A memo from the director of posts to the late Mr Lee Kuan Yew. (Photo: Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong's Facebook page.)

In response to queries on Mr Lee Hsien Yang's Facebook post, the National Heritage Board (NHB) said the list showed items on loan from PMO to NHB.

"For items numbered 2 to 5, the items were received on Apr 6, 2015 instead of Feb 6, 2015 as indicated. This was a clerical error. NHB has a receipt for the items on loan from PMO dated Apr 6, 2015," an NHB spokesperson said. "All the items were loaned to NHB after the late Mr Lee Kuan Yew passed away, to be displayed at the In Memoriam: Lee Kuan Yew exhibition held at the National Museum of Singapore."

Mr Lee, his sister Dr Lee Wei Ling and PM Lee have been locked in a dispute over the house of their late father at 38 Oxley Road, with PM Lee's two siblings issuing a statement on Jun 14 accusing their brother of abusing his position in Government to deal with the matter.

PM Lee has denied the allegations and said he will refute the charges in a ministerial statement when Parliament sits on Jul 3.
 

PTADER

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Lee Hsien Yang


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The NHB has just clarified that the items were collected on the 6th of April 2015, after our father passed away, and that the previous date was a "clerical error".

This is even more troubling. By LKY's will, the estate's residual items, such as personal documents, fall under the absolute discretion of the executors Wei Ling and myself. Unapproved removal of these items, even by a beneficiary, constitutes both theft and intermeddling. Ho Ching is not an executor or a beneficiary to our father's estate. We also still do not understand how she is a proper contact representative for the PMO.

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eatshitndie

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lhy, please do your job and get the stupid fucking wi-fi at changi to work first before wasting your time posting crap on fb. got that? thanks!
 

PTADER

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Interesting turn - slight knock to his credibility to spill damning insights:

http://mothership.sg/2017/06/ho-chi...ien-yang-said-she-had-taken-lkys-papers-oops/

Ho Ching was not in Singapore on the date Lee Hsien Yang said she had taken LKY’s papers. Oops.

Nice try. Next Facebook post please.

Cocksucker Chan Cheow Pong was a little too hasty with this "Nice try. Next Facebook post please" triumphant celebration of LHY's "error".

With NHB's clarification that the items were collected on 6th April 2015 (after LKY's death) and not 6th Feb 2015 (when he was in ICU) due to it's "clerical error", Ho Ching is still the culprit.
 

nayr69sg

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Looking at the facebook posts by LHY, I would say that he probably has NO EVIDENCE of anything that incriminates Ho Ching or LHL in abuse of powers or corruption.

It is turning into a very petty small minded squabble. Crap lah.

All those wishing for major revelations with evidence showing CPF money gone lah, or misuse of public funds misappropriated and stuff like that.....dream on.
 

po2wq

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so wat is bro n sis tag team unhappy about? ...

a. demolition ...
b. anyhow taken tings wifout permission ...
c. both above ...

metink iz d ... none of ze above ...


wat dey really wan? ...

me oso dunno ...
 
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nayr69sg

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so wat is bro n sis tag team unhappy about? ...

a. demolition ...
b. anyhow taken tings wifout permission ...
c. both above ...

metink iz d ... none of ze above ...


wat dey really wan? ...

me oso dunno ...

I think you are correct. I suspect they are angry about her rude language, yaya papaya attitude, no respect, look down on them, dun involve them in decisions, controlling her hubby LHL, LHL hen pecked, etc etc that kind of family squabble lah. You know like how families argue about grandma want to invite everyone for 90th birthday party = 30 tables, then oldest son say dowan to pay lah, say just invite smaller group if want to listen to ah mah then ask that grandchildren pay then other brother and sister say why must ask grandchildren pay? Say that oldest brother not taking care of ah mah, but sister take care, so sister why must pay. You know that type of squabble lah.

The will, demolition and what not is just a means to an end to get back at Ho Ching for something else.
 

eatshitndie

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I suspect HC went into Oxley to smell LKY's unwashed underwear. Fetish lah.

no way any remained unwashed for long for anyone else except possessive princess to sniff it. although not on talking terms with halfdead fart she claimed to obsessively wash his undies when no one was watching. must had done it 69 times a day for 6.9 days a week.
 

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This is even more troubling. By LKY's will, the estate's residual items, such as personal documents, fall under the absolute discretion of the executors Wei Ling and myself. Unapproved removal of these items, even by a beneficiary, constitutes both theft and intermeddling. Ho Ching is not an executor or a beneficiary to our father's estate. We also still do not understand how she is a proper contact representative for the PMO.

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What a master stroke by Yang! A bait laid, NHB picked it up hook, line and sinker! Bwahahahahahahaa!!!
Multiple orgasms ah!!! Bwahahahahahahaa!!!
 

Ralders

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Looking at the facebook posts by LHY, I would say that he probably has NO EVIDENCE of anything that incriminates Ho Ching or LHL in abuse of powers or corruption.

It is turning into a very petty small minded squabble. Crap lah.

All those wishing for major revelations with evidence showing CPF money gone lah, or misuse of public funds misappropriated and stuff like that.....dream on.

U holding a Singapore passport?
 

scroobal

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An apt quote from Mothership;

"However, from the public’s perspective, it just looks like the entire Cabinet with the kitchen sink will be thrown into this issue soon, as more ministers look set to come out to have a say in this protracted battle."

Does not look good on Tharman. Lawrence Wong did want to reveal the members and the issue of Shan's conflict of interest. Not to mention Lucien Wong's appointment and various other issues such as NHB handing over document and the role of dowager.

I suppose it is a favour that has been called. It was LHL who resurrected Tharman career after his conviction.

@ scroobal - guess they had to get Tharman to join the defence fray with more damaging revelations dripping out from the siblings - he skirted around the need for the committee to be "secret" from LWL and LHY - note the friendly pally "take a chill pill" approach...its business as usual

https://www.facebook.com/TharmanSha...904023672427/1725902947439189/?type=3&theater
 

tanwahtiu

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There is a lesson to learn from here.

LKY is nothing but a incompetent person other than can study do well in academic only. A Good laywer to argue till cow come home to win cases stating the obvious of an academic who can argue base on papers to get a paper qualification only.

HC is street wise baby clever enough to seize opportunities even can con the old fart.

She is the CiXi of the Qing dynasty. To be the 2nd wife of a politican son is not easy feet endure tge wrath of the siblings and family.
 
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