Chitchat Question Time - Race and the Presidential Elections

scroobal · May 9, 2017

See if you can answer these 3 questions - give it try or take guess. Don't take it too seriously and trick question/s may not be present.

Q1. Your father is Indian and your mother is Malay, what is the race allowed on your BC / NRIC and thereafter applicable to everything else in your life?

Q2. Is it race or ethnicity the operating word for PE?

Q3. Can a Singaporean with an NRIC carrying his race as Mexican contest the reserved PE for Malays?

Just put down Yes or No or one word answers and give everyone a chance before the panel releases the answers.

Prize will be the usual NTUC vouchers to buy milk powder.

zhihau · May 9, 2017

Q1: if the Straits Times states that I'm a Malay, then it must be the truth!
Q2: if the Straits Times states that race and/or ethnicity are the operating words for PE, then it must be so!
Q3: if the Straits Times states the sun rises from the north then it must be so!

Bottom line, the Straits Times publishes the truth, the whole truth and nothing else! :biggrin:

nayr69sg · May 9, 2017

scroobal said:
See if you can answer these 3 questions - give it try or take guess. Don't take it too seriously and trick question/s may not be present.

Q1. Your father is Indian and your mother is Malay, what is the race allowed on your BC / NRIC and thereafter applicable to everything else in your life?

Q2. Is it race or ethnicity the operating word for PE?

Q3. Can a Singaporean with an NRIC carrying his race as Mexican contest the reserved PE for Malays?

Just put down Yes or No or one word answers and give everyone a chance before the panel releases the answers.

Prize will be the usual NTUC vouchers to buy milk powder.

Q1. Mixed
Q2. Same
Q3. No

scroobal · May 9, 2017

Love it bro! Reminds me of the frequent times forummers here want proof because ST did not state it or mention it.

zhihau said:
Q1: if the Straits Times states that I'm a Malay, then it must be the truth!
Q2: if the Straits Times states that race and/or ethnicity are the operating words for PE, then it must be so!
Q3: if the Straits Times states the sun rises from the north then it must be so!

Bottom line, the Straits Times publishes the truth, the whole truth and nothing else!

GoldenDragon · May 10, 2017

Q1. Indian
Q2. Same
Q3. No

rushifa666 · May 10, 2017

we have always taken the fathers race no? unless there is something specified, why would it be registered otherwise? they should have just said darkie. saves a lot of trouble

gatehousethetinkertailor · May 10, 2017

scroobal said:
See if you can answer these 3 questions - give it try or take guess. Don't take it too seriously and trick question/s may not be present.

Q1. Your father is Indian and your mother is Malay, what is the race allowed on your BC / NRIC and thereafter applicable to everything else in your life?

Q2. Is it race or ethnicity the operating word for PE?

Q3. Can a Singaporean with an NRIC carrying his race as Mexican contest the reserved PE for Malays?

Just put down Yes or No or one word answers and give everyone a chance before the panel releases the answers.

Prize will be the usual NTUC vouchers to buy milk powder.

1. (Currently) Indian; Malay; Indian-Malay; Malay-Indian (all these permutations are allowed but must follow what is on the parents IC - the registering officer does not interfere in parents choice especially if registration is conducted at hospital of child's birth - religion is not declared on BC either)
2. Race
3. Maybe (depends on if he is in the CEC)

ckmpd · May 10, 2017

scroobal said:
See if you can answer these 3 questions - give it try or take guess. Don't take it too seriously and trick question/s may not be present.

Q1. Your father is Indian and your mother is Malay, what is the race allowed on your BC / NRIC and thereafter applicable to everything else in your life?

Q2. Is it race or ethnicity the operating word for PE?

Q3. Can a Singaporean with an NRIC carrying his race as Mexican contest the reserved PE for Malays?

Just put down Yes or No or one word answers and give everyone a chance before the panel releases the answers.

Prize will be the usual NTUC vouchers to buy milk powder.

Simple...If HY's father is Indian, she is not eligible to stand for PE reserved for Malays.

LHL will not dare field her because he will look really stupid

Charlie99 · May 10, 2017

Q1. Indian
Q2. Race and Ethnicity are the Same
Q3. No

gatehousethetinkertailor · May 10, 2017

rushifa666 said:
we have always taken the fathers race no? unless there is something specified, why would it be registered otherwise?

You choose and the choice is limited to what is stated on the parents IC - so if parents say Australian (father) Javanese (mother) because that is how it was registered in their primary school days, then you can only register permutations of those. Double-barrelled categorisations are allowed and can be changed twice:

A Singaporean is allowed to change his race twice; once before the age of 21 and once at or after the age of 21.

https://www.ica.gov.sg/news_details.aspx?nid=12443

Charlie99 said:
Q2. Race and Ethnicity are the Same

Race and ethnicity are not the same from the perspective of social science - race is a (almost) binary narrower construct and ethnicity allows for broader inclusion - there is a reason why Scroobal posed this question as there is typically an assumption that these are the same/synonymous.

Charlie99 · May 10, 2017

Thank you.

Bonut · May 10, 2017

Race is biological; ethnicity is sociological.

McDonaldsKid · May 10, 2017

1. Indian
2. Race
3. Mexican isn't a race?

tanwahtiu · May 10, 2017

Wait till oap aprroved inmal. New 1mhakf fuck race.

rushifa666 · May 10, 2017

Yeah i expected that. But if it waa indian and she cahnged it to malay, thats the smoking gun. Of xourse we will never get the records

songsongjurong · May 10, 2017

will Halimah or eventual PAP picked and backed "Malay" EP candidate show rakyat their NRIC race status?

borom · May 10, 2017

zhihau said:
.....Bottom line, the Straits Times publishes the truth, the whole truth and nothing else!

Is this why Singapore is ranked 151 in the 2017 World Press Freedom Index -better than Vietnam, China and N Korea?

zhihau · May 10, 2017

borom said:
Is this why Singapore is ranked 151 in the 2017 World Press Freedom Index -better than Vietnam, China and N Korea?

Holy shit... now ST needs to invent more accolades for themselves...

scroobal · May 11, 2017

The answers below in blue and the explanation. Forummer Smiley is closest with the answers.

Q1. Your father is Indian and your mother is Malay, what is the race allowed on your BC / NRIC and thereafter applicable to everything else in your life?
A1. It can be Malay or Indian or the use of double barrelled surnames with both combinations - Indian-Malay or Malay-Indian. It should be noted that all younger siblings must follow the eldest sibling choice

Q2. Is it race or ethnicity the operating word for PE?
A2 Both race and ethnicity is no longer a requirement to qualify. For example, a candidate for a Malay only PE, 2 conditions must occur - (1) he considers himself or herself a member of the Malay community and (2) the committee of 5 appointed by the PM determines that the candidates is indeed a member of the Malay committee. This means that HY, Zainal Abideen who are both DKKs and Abdullah Tarmugi who mum is Chinese qualifies.

What is interesting is there is provision that legal and technical consideration cannot used be used to determine an candidate eligibility. It means that what is on the NRIC cannot be used.

Q3. Can a Singaporean with an NRIC carrying his race as Mexican contest the reserved PE for Malays?
A3 Yes. Here is why. Candidate whose father is Mexican and Mother Malay has in his NRIC "Mexican as the parents chose it only needs to show that he considers himself as a member of the Malay community.

Further explanation.
- It is a given that Malay candidate has to be a muslim to be considered a member of the Malay community though no religion is mentioned.
- The way it is written, a biological Indian, dark as charcoal who happens to be raised by Chinese parents can qualify as a Chinese candidate if he had taken to Chinese ways in practice and the Chinese committee agrees.

nayr69sg · May 11, 2017

Thanks for the explanation scroobal. Seems to me that the PAP has this all planned out already with the candidates in mind.

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