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Serious Shanmugam Rebukes Closet Oppie Academic For Misrepresentation And Shaming Ah Gong!

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Law and Home Affairs Minister K. Shanmugam yesterday rebuked academic Donald Low for misrepresenting his comments about considering public opinion when deciding on criminal sentences.

Mr Low, an associate professor at the National University of Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy, had written a Facebook post on Monday in response to an interview Mr Shanmugam gave to Mediacorp freesheet Today.

In the Today article, Mr Shanmugam had said criminal penalties should reflect public opinion, but that this does not equate to bowing to public pressure.



Mr Low then wrote: "No la, how can this be right?... We want our elected representatives to make laws impersonally and dispassionately, after proper deliberation and debate... Making laws on the basis of public opinion is populism by another name.

"If criminal punishments are to reflect only public opinion, why bother having judges do sentencing? Just run an opinion poll each time someone has been convicted."



In a Facebook post yesterday, Mr Shanmugam said some have assumed that he was suggesting sentences in individual cases should be dictated by public opinion.


He then took aim at Mr Low's comments, which "have seriously misconstrued what I actually said".

First, the minister said his remarks "had nothing to do with how individual cases should be decided and what sentences should be meted out by judges".

Sentencing has always been the exclusive province of the courts and judges - who decide based on the prescribed laws, the facts and precedents, he said.

Rather, Mr Shanmugam said his remarks covered factors that the Government should take into account when deciding what conduct should be criminalised, and the appropriate range of penalties that should be meted out for different categories of offences.

UNDERSTAND ISSUES FIRST

But to be meaningful, and sensible, it will be first useful to read and understand what has been said, before jumping in to criticise.

LAW AND HOME AFFAIRS MINISTER K. SHANMUGAM, on what academics should do before making criticisms
Second, the minister said he had earlier made clear that public opinion, while relevant, cannot be the sole or decisive factor in proposing legislation.

Mr Shanmugam added that "it is surprising that some like Donald misunderstood what I meant", as the Today article had clearly set out the considerations that he said the Government should consider in deciding on legislation.

"Government should consider what is right, what is fair, and it should also take into account the weight of public opinion," he said.

For instance, if an overwhelming majority of the public does not consider some conduct to be criminal, that sentiment is relevant when deciding whether to criminalise such actions, Mr Shanmugam added.

It would be wrong for the Government to simply follow public opinion in all situations, as it can sometimes be inaccurate due to a lack of understanding of the facts, he said.

However, public opinion is still relevant, the minister added.

"If some law completely lacks public support, and the Government is not able to persuade the public on that law, then that particular law, over time, could become difficult to enforce," he noted.

Mr Shanmugam said such considerations have long been the basis on which laws are passed in many countries, including Singapore, and "are not some new-fangled theory".

He added that academics such as Mr Low have every right to make criticisms, especially on issues of public importance.

"But to be meaningful, and sensible, it will be first useful to read and understand what has been said, before jumping in to criticise," Mr Shanmugam said.

"Otherwise the commentator does no credit to himself or his institution. Particularly an institution which carries Mr Lee Kuan Yew's name," the minister added.


http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/shanmugam-rebukes-academic-over-remarks
 

Cottonmouth

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Re: Shanmugam Rebukes Closet Oppie Academic For Misrepresentation And Shaming Ah Gong

sir John, can you ask this bitch if he has forgotten about Crook Hee?
 

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sir John, can you ask this bitch if he has forgotten about Crook Hee?

Minister Shan is a righteous man who hates evil. He has not forgotten about Kong Hee and will work hard to see that justice will prevail.
 

gingerlyn

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Minister Shan is a righteous man who hates evil. He has not forgotten about Kong Hee and will work hard to see that justice will prevail.

HOW CAN a righteous man break his vow and divorce his wife
 

JohnTan

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HOW CAN a righteous man break his vow and divorce his wife

Clearly his wife fell short of his high standards. I hope she had spent this time reflecting on her poor behaviour when she was lucky enough to be his wife.
 

gingerlyn

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anybody know where to get Shanmugam divorce papers? lets expose it
 

borom

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"Government should consider what is right, what is fair, and it should also take into account the weight of public opinion,"

For once I agree with Shan-but has this govt considered public opinion on immigration, university places and jobs for foreigners (esp PMETS ),
CPF withdrawals ect2.
 

scroobal

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Shanmugam said it and now he makes a U-turn.
 

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wat sentencing shud reflect pubic opinion? ...

dey dun even allow pubic 2 tok about any ongoing cort case else dey accuse u of contempt of cort ... lidat how dey establish pubic opinion? ...

basically iz dat dey wan 2 impose their agenda n den dat 154th follow up 2 say dat iz a pubic opinion ...
 

batman1

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The indian snake charmer is a skirt-chaser.
 

JohnTan

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wat sentencing shud reflect pubic opinion? ...

dey dun even allow pubic 2 tok about any ongoing cort case else dey accuse u of contempt of cort ... lidat how dey establish pubic opinion? ...

basically iz dat dey wan 2 impose their agenda n den dat 154th follow up 2 say dat iz a pubic opinion ...

Should sentencing reflect public opinion like in these backward barbaric societies?

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tanakow

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Why use the word "rebuke"?

Low is not his staff. Neither is Low a member of the PAP. The correct word to use is "harangue" or "excoriate". Reason the correct word is not used is that it makes the sssszzzz look bad.
 

tanakow

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His definition of public may not be your definition. Be careful. Maybe he needs to bring everyone to a private room (as what he did to 4 MPs during the debate on the "contempt of court" bill") to understand what he means by public.


"Government should consider what is right, what is fair, and it should also take into account the weight of public opinion,"

For once I agree with Shan-but has this govt considered public opinion on immigration, university places and jobs for foreigners (esp PMETS ),
CPF withdrawals ect2.
 

eatshitndie

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it's not "public opinion" per se that sham is referring to. but when multiple police complaints are filed the authorities have little choice but to act to investigate the flood of complaints. this lawyer is nitpicking on words, as they usually do. why don't they do something productive like shutting their piehole instead of kpkb'ing.
 

tanakow

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Where did you get the intel that there were multiple police complaints filed? I don't see any report on it.

it's not "public opinion" per se that sham is referring to. but when multiple police complaints are filed the authorities have little choice but to act to investigate the flood of complaints. this lawyer is nitpicking on words, as they usually do. why don't they do something productive like shutting their piehole instead of kpkb'ing.
 

eatshitndie

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Where did you get the intel that there were multiple police complaints filed? I don't see any report on it.

mai seow seow. my intel is deep deep.
 
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