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pls clarify.
Australia will abolish a temporary work visa popular with foreigners and replace it with a new programme requiring better English-language and job skills, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull said on Tuesday.
Turnbull, struggling with poor voter approval ratings, rejected suggestions the visa policy change was in response to far-right wing political parties, such as One Nation, demanding more nationalistic policies.
But in a Facebook announcement Turnbull said: "Our reforms will have a simple focus: Australian jobs and Australian values."
Turnbull, struggling with poor voter approval ratings, rejected suggestions the visa policy change was in response to far-right wing political parties, such as One Nation, demanding more nationalistic policies.
But in a Facebook announcement Turnbull said: "Our reforms will have a simple focus: Australian jobs and Australian values."
I think the holiday work visas are paid minimum wage.
That's why shiok can go Australia holiday and earn $16 an HR at the same time.
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news...on-rules-in-kiwi-first-crackdown/3688540.html
I think people are beginning to learn from others' mistakes.
I think people are beginning to learn from others' mistakes.
Where is the article? and where is the proof? I mean do a proper Thread lah,,,,no head no tail,....and please lah,,the devil is in the details,,all these easy import of labour is always to benefit businesses at the expense of the man on the street.
16 dollars an hr in ozland a lot meh? and some jobs are by tonnage,,,like fruit picking,,they don't pay by the hour but by amount collected.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-18/why-the-457-visa-is-being-axed-and-what-it-means/8451214
Why the 457 visa is being axed and what it means
By political reporter Stephanie Anderson
Updated about 11 hours agoTue 18 Apr 2017, 10:58pm
Photo: Those seeking work as call centre managers or shearers will not be eligible under the new scheme. (ABC Riverland: Catherine Heuzenroeder)
Related Story: Government abolishing 457 visas to promote 'jobs for Australians'
Map: Australia
After two decades and tens of thousands of visas, the 457 visa category has been abolished. But what was it and why does this matter?
The program was introduced by the Howard government in 1996.
The four-year visa allowed foreign workers to fill jobs here in more than 650 occupations, including sectors that have experienced oversupply of labour.
Visa holders could also bring family members to Australia on a 457 secondary visa.
What is changing?
The Government is axing the 457 visa class and replacing it with two new visas.
This includes a two-year visa — which can be renewed for another two years — and a four-year visa targeted at specific high-level skills.
Both visas demand at least two years of relevant work experience, something not required under the 457 scheme, while the longer visa calls for higher standards of English proficiency.
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Applicants must also complete a criminal history check instead of the self-declaration under the now-abolished scheme.
There are also changes to the permanent residency arrangements under the new scheme — previously, 457 visa holders could be eligible for permanent residency after two years.
There is no residency pathway under the new two-year visa, while four-year visa holders will see the permanent residence eligibility period extended from two to three years.
Who will be affected?
More than 200 jobs have been cut from the list of occupations that foreign workers can apply for under the new scheme.
The list, which previously included more than 650 types of work, will no longer include roles such as call centre managers, shearers or actors.
A full list of occupations that the Government wants to remove from the list can be found at the end of this article, while the previous list can be read here.
The changes are not expected to affect current visa holders.
Embed: Total number of primary and family 457 visas issued per year.
Why is all this happening?
The Government has been talking about reviewing the 457 visa scheme for several months, indicating a crackdown back in September, while the Opposition had also been calling for restrictions on the scheme.
But we hadn't seen much real action — at least not publicly — until Tuesday.
Labor says Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has rushed the decision to "save his job", while the Greens have accused the Coalition of trying to win over One Nation voters
Both One Nation leader Senator Pauline Hanson and Liberal-turned-crossbencher Senator Cory Bernardi have claimed credit for the changes, but Mr Turnbull said it was a "decision of the Government".
That Government includes rebel backbencher George Christensen, who last year argued for action on the 457 visa scheme.
Mr Christensen has repeatedly threatened the Coalition with leaving the party, a move that would see the Coalition lose its majority in the Lower House.
But Mr Turnbull denied the policy was a result of pressure from conservatives within the party, telling Sydney radio station 2GB that "it's not about politics, it's about policy".
The decision by the Turnbull Government also coincides with moves by US President Donald Trump to crack down on foreign workers, having previously called for the American scheme to be abolished.
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Photo: Those seeking work as call centre managers or shearers will not be eligible under the new scheme. (ABC Riverland: Catherine Heuzenroeder) Related Story: Government abolishing 457 visas to promote 'jobs for Australians'
Map: Australia
After two decades and tens of thousands of visas, the 457 visa category has been abolished. But what was it and why does this matter?
The program was introduced by the Howard government in 1996.
The four-year visa allowed foreign workers to fill jobs here in more than 650 occupations, including sectors that have experienced oversupply of labour.
Visa holders could also bring family members to Australia on a 457 secondary visa.
What is changing?
The Government is axing the 457 visa class and replacing it with two new visas.
This includes a two-year visa — which can be renewed for another two years — and a four-year visa targeted at specific high-level skills.
Both visas demand at least two years of relevant work experience, something not required under the 457 scheme, while the longer visa calls for higher standards of English proficiency.
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Video: Malcolm Turnbull announces the introduction of two new temporary skills visas. (ABC News)
Applicants must also complete a criminal history check instead of the self-declaration under the now-abolished scheme.
There are also changes to the permanent residency arrangements under the new scheme — previously, 457 visa holders could be eligible for permanent residency after two years.
There is no residency pathway under the new two-year visa, while four-year visa holders will see the permanent residence eligibility period extended from two to three years.
Who will be affected?
More than 200 jobs have been cut from the list of occupations that foreign workers can apply for under the new scheme.
The list, which previously included more than 650 types of work, will no longer include roles such as call centre managers, shearers or actors.
A full list of occupations that the Government wants to remove from the list can be found at the end of this article, while the previous list can be read here.
The changes are not expected to affect current visa holders.
Embed: Total number of primary and family 457 visas issued per year.
Why is all this happening?
The Government has been talking about reviewing the 457 visa scheme for several months, indicating a crackdown back in September, while the Opposition had also been calling for restrictions on the scheme.
But we hadn't seen much real action — at least not publicly — until Tuesday.
Labor says Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has rushed the decision to "save his job", while the Greens have accused the Coalition of trying to win over One Nation voters
Both One Nation leader Senator Pauline Hanson and Liberal-turned-crossbencher Senator Cory Bernardi have claimed credit for the changes, but Mr Turnbull said it was a "decision of the Government".
That Government includes rebel backbencher George Christensen, who last year argued for action on the 457 visa scheme.
Mr Christensen has repeatedly threatened the Coalition with leaving the party, a move that would see the Coalition lose its majority in the Lower House.
But Mr Turnbull denied the policy was a result of pressure from conservatives within the party, telling Sydney radio station 2GB that "it's not about politics, it's about policy".
The decision by the Turnbull Government also coincides with moves by US President Donald Trump to crack down on foreign workers, having previously called for the American scheme to be abolished.
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[h=1]Companies to pay more for skilled migrants after 457 visa scrapping[/h] by political reporters Caitlyn Gribbin and Henry Belot
Updated about 3 hours agoWed 19 Apr 2017, 7:22am
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Video: Turnbull says 457 changes to give preference to Australian workers (ABC News)
Related Story: What is a 457 visa and how many people have them?
Related Story: India says 457 visa scrapping could affect trade negotiations
Map: Australia
Companies who apply to bring temporary skilled migrants to Australia are set to pay more, as the Federal Government toughens its approach on foreign workers.
Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has announced the Coalition is abolishing the 457 visa system, which will be replaced with two new classes of visa.
The Government said it wanted to train more local workers, which is set to be funded from an increased fee charged when employers bring in temporary skilled foreign workers.
[h=2]Why the 457 visa is going[/h]
After two decades and tens of thousands of visas, the 457 visa category has been abolished. But what was it and why does this matter?
Immigration Minister Peter Dutton has told Channel Nine businesses already contribute to a training fund, but that may be increased in the budget.
"In some circumstances it may do, but we'll wait to see for the budget," Mr Dutton said.
Embed: Total number of primary and family 457 visas issued per year.
The Government is selling its 457 visa changes as being in the "national interest" and said it would prioritise "Australian jobs, Australian values".
The application fee for the two-year visa would be $1,150 and $2,400 for the four-year visa, although details of extra payments by businesses remain unclear.
[h=2]Government considers new provisional visas[/h]Mr Dutton has also indicated support for a new provisional visa category for foreign workers hoping to eventually become permanent residents.
The provisional visa would be mandatory and provide people with restricted access to social security before eventually becoming full Australian citizens.
Mr Turnbull would not comment on the provisional visa on Wednesday, but said foreign workers could apply for permanent residency as part of the four-year temporary visa.
[h=2]Business waiting for more detail[/h]Australian Industry Group chief executive Innes Willox, who also chairs the ministerial advisory committee on skilled migration, told AM he expected details to be announced soon on how companies would be charged.
The new temporary visas will include tougher regulations, police checks, at least two years of relevant work experience and better English language skills.
More than 200 jobs have been cut from the list of occupations that foreign workers can apply for under the temporary migration scheme.
See the jobs that may be removed from the 457 visa list
The Government will also reduce the age limit for temporary work visas from 50 to 45.
"Competent English will be mandatory, no exceptions, and the pathway to permanent residency will begin at three years, not two years," Mr Turnbull said in a speech this morning.
[h=1]Companies to pay more for skilled migrants after 457 visa scrapping[/h] by political reporters Caitlyn Gribbin and Henry Belot
Updated about 3 hours agoWed 19 Apr 2017, 7:22am
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Video: Turnbull says 457 changes to give preference to Australian workers (ABC News)
Related Story: What is a 457 visa and how many people have them?
Related Story: India says 457 visa scrapping could affect trade negotiations
Map: Australia
Companies who apply to bring temporary skilled migrants to Australia are set to pay more, as the Federal Government toughens its approach on foreign workers.
Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has announced the Coalition is abolishing the 457 visa system, which will be replaced with two new classes of visa.
The Government said it wanted to train more local workers, which is set to be funded from an increased fee charged when employers bring in temporary skilled foreign workers.
[h=2]Why the 457 visa is going[/h]
After two decades and tens of thousands of visas, the 457 visa category has been abolished. But what was it and why does this matter?
Immigration Minister Peter Dutton has told Channel Nine businesses already contribute to a training fund, but that may be increased in the budget.
"In some circumstances it may do, but we'll wait to see for the budget," Mr Dutton said.
"The bottom line is yes, we do want to get more money into training to help young Australians get trained up for Australian jobs."
Mr Turnbull was tight-lipped on the arrangement and said it would be detailed in the budget.
Embed: Total number of primary and family 457 visas issued per year.
The Government is selling its 457 visa changes as being in the "national interest" and said it would prioritise "Australian jobs, Australian values".
The application fee for the two-year visa would be $1,150 and $2,400 for the four-year visa, although details of extra payments by businesses remain unclear.
[h=2]Government considers new provisional visas[/h]Mr Dutton has also indicated support for a new provisional visa category for foreign workers hoping to eventually become permanent residents.
The provisional visa would be mandatory and provide people with restricted access to social security before eventually becoming full Australian citizens.
"There is a sound argument in my mind that people need to demonstrate that if they are coming to Australia they need to abide by Australian laws, they need to abide by Australian values," he told Sky News.
"I think they are measures that need to be taken out before Australian citizenship."
Mr Turnbull would not comment on the provisional visa on Wednesday, but said foreign workers could apply for permanent residency as part of the four-year temporary visa.
[h=2]Business waiting for more detail[/h]Australian Industry Group chief executive Innes Willox, who also chairs the ministerial advisory committee on skilled migration, told AM he expected details to be announced soon on how companies would be charged.
"What we believe will occur is that there'll be an increased fee and a more streamlined fee for skilled migrants that will be paid for by their employers when they come into Australia," Mr Willox said.
"That money needs to be used wisely to train Australians, particularly young Australians in jobs that are in need and the jobs of the future."
The new temporary visas will include tougher regulations, police checks, at least two years of relevant work experience and better English language skills.
More than 200 jobs have been cut from the list of occupations that foreign workers can apply for under the temporary migration scheme.
See the jobs that may be removed from the 457 visa list
The Government will also reduce the age limit for temporary work visas from 50 to 45.
"Competent English will be mandatory, no exceptions, and the pathway to permanent residency will begin at three years, not two years," Mr Turnbull said in a speech this morning.
http://www.news.com.au/finance/econ...m/news-story/043194777bec8443f78a277803770834
Peter Dutton defends 457 visa scrapping as tech billionaire questions government’s wisdom
April 19, 201710:05am
Government abolishes 457 visas3:15
Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has announced the government will abolish 457 visas for foreign workers.
IMMIGRATION Minister Peter Dutton has defended a government decision to scrap the 457 visa program for temporary foreign workers and replace it with a tighter regime.
He sees political uplift in the move as Australians consider the implication for jobs.
“I think Australians would accept the default position for business to seek out an Australian for a job before you employ somebody from overseas,” he told Nine Network on Wednesday.
The federal government had been busy with “boats and all the rest of it” but now the time had come to tighten the visa system.
But the co-founder of successful technology company Atlassian, Mike Cannon-Brookes, says 457 visas are essential. He’s told The Australian anything that makes bridging the talent gap more difficult is bad for the country.
But Mr Dutton questioned Atlassian’s role in the in the local market.
“Are they going into schools looking for young kids to go and work in jobs? Are they employing mature aged workers who have found themselves out of a job elsewhere?”
PM Malcolm Turnbull and Minister for Immigration and Border Protection Peter Dutton announce the 457 visa changes yesterday. Picture Kym SmithSource:News Corp Australia
Mr Dutton also confirmed the May budget will include an announcement about businesses contributing to a training fund, which has already been dubbed a ‘foreign worker tax’.
“It’s about making sure that we can train up Australian workers for Australian jobs,” he said.
Australian Industry Group chief Innes Willox said the existing 457 visa system was opaque and open to abuse.
“This is going to be much more transparent,” he told ABC radio. But he expected some businesses will have to pay more under the changes. Under the government’s plan, the 457 visa will be replaced initially by a new temporary two-year visa designed to recruit the “best and the brightest”.
A list of 650 occupation classifications that qualify for a temporary visa will be cut by 200 and the new visas will require applicants to have previous work experience.
A second four-year visa will require a high standard of English language skills as well as a criminal check.
Emma Mutty, an engineer in Australia on a 457 visa, says she is not happy with changes. Picture: Tony GoughSource:News Corp Australia
The new two-year visa won’t be a pathway to permanent residency, but anyone currently in Australia on a 457 visa will not be affected by the new arrangements.
The Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry said restructuring the program provided a chance to hit the “reset button” on temporary skilled migration. It would also give business the confidence to continue to access skills from overseas.
But unions have dismissed the new arrangements as “tinkering at the edges”.
Peter Dutton defends 457 visa scrapping as tech billionaire questions government’s wisdom
April 19, 201710:05am
Government abolishes 457 visas3:15
Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has announced the government will abolish 457 visas for foreign workers.
- April 19th 2017
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IMMIGRATION Minister Peter Dutton has defended a government decision to scrap the 457 visa program for temporary foreign workers and replace it with a tighter regime.
He sees political uplift in the move as Australians consider the implication for jobs.
“I think Australians would accept the default position for business to seek out an Australian for a job before you employ somebody from overseas,” he told Nine Network on Wednesday.
The federal government had been busy with “boats and all the rest of it” but now the time had come to tighten the visa system.
But the co-founder of successful technology company Atlassian, Mike Cannon-Brookes, says 457 visas are essential. He’s told The Australian anything that makes bridging the talent gap more difficult is bad for the country.
But Mr Dutton questioned Atlassian’s role in the in the local market.
“Are they going into schools looking for young kids to go and work in jobs? Are they employing mature aged workers who have found themselves out of a job elsewhere?”
PM Malcolm Turnbull and Minister for Immigration and Border Protection Peter Dutton announce the 457 visa changes yesterday. Picture Kym SmithSource:News Corp Australia
Mr Dutton also confirmed the May budget will include an announcement about businesses contributing to a training fund, which has already been dubbed a ‘foreign worker tax’.
“It’s about making sure that we can train up Australian workers for Australian jobs,” he said.
Australian Industry Group chief Innes Willox said the existing 457 visa system was opaque and open to abuse.
“This is going to be much more transparent,” he told ABC radio. But he expected some businesses will have to pay more under the changes. Under the government’s plan, the 457 visa will be replaced initially by a new temporary two-year visa designed to recruit the “best and the brightest”.
A list of 650 occupation classifications that qualify for a temporary visa will be cut by 200 and the new visas will require applicants to have previous work experience.
A second four-year visa will require a high standard of English language skills as well as a criminal check.
Emma Mutty, an engineer in Australia on a 457 visa, says she is not happy with changes. Picture: Tony GoughSource:News Corp Australia
The new two-year visa won’t be a pathway to permanent residency, but anyone currently in Australia on a 457 visa will not be affected by the new arrangements.
The Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry said restructuring the program provided a chance to hit the “reset button” on temporary skilled migration. It would also give business the confidence to continue to access skills from overseas.
But unions have dismissed the new arrangements as “tinkering at the edges”.
http://www.news.com.au/finance/work...EO: 457 visa ban a mistake&itmt=1492570207064
[h=1]Visa changes expose the work ‘lazy’ Australians just aren’t interested in[/h]April 19, 201711:59am
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PRIME Minister Malcolm Turnbull has called the list of skilled jobs that could be covered by controversial 457 visas “laughable”.
Positions for radio announcers, judges and magistrates, and caravan park managers are among about 200 jobs that will no longer be filled by workers on the temporary skilled working visas Mr Turnbull has proposed to replace the program.
But a long list of jobs will remain to be filled by foreign workers, and many for good reason.
According to the industries that employ overseas workers over locals, there are some jobs Australians just won’t do.
Bosses who rely on 457 workers have tried to bring to the Prime Minister’s attention their assessment of Australian workers — according to the employers, they’re lazy, greedy, and plain unreliable.
“Congratulations for being totally out of touch with the challenges small operators are having with finding Australian workers,” one wrote on Facebook in response Mr Turnbull’s announcement.
“Not turning up for interviews, not showing up for trial run, want the money with very little effort, late for their shifts, do not turn up for work because of a late night and the list goes on and on. Overseas workers are reliable honest and trustworthy.”
Caravan sales. Picture: Yarrawonga Caravans/FacebookSource:Facebook
Owner of Yarrawonga Caravans Dean Goudie — whose industry has been scoffed at for its inclusion on the skilled work list — reacted to Tuesday’s announcement saying Mr Turnbull “couldn’t have been further from the mark if he tried”.
“I employ a 457 visa holder and he is a valuable part of our team,” he told news.com.au.
“He isn’t like the ‘Aussie’ employee who quit three weeks ago via text message saying ‘thanks but he might give the job a miss’ the job I had spent the last six months training him in.”
Mr Goudie acknowledged that some businesses might “exploit the system”, but said he had employed industrious workers on skilled working visas who went on to become valuable contributors to society.
“They now employ over 20 employees each and pay taxes to our country,” he said.
Mr Goudie said that the government’s announcement would affect his growing business going forward.
“You really struggle for staff and it’s very hard,” he said.
“I’m all for giving Aussies jobs, don’t worry about that, but there are just none.
“We advertise hard. I’ve advertised and I can’t find them. Not one applicant.”
Sydney hair salon owner Luke Smart told news.com.au he and others in his industry would be happy to hire Australians, if only they would put their hands up for the jobs.
“457 visas have a place, we use them in the hairdressing industry because there is a major shortage,” he said. “Most employers would hire an Australian if there were Australians that applied it’s the same with nurses etc.”
Hairdressers aren’t at risk of being removed from the list of jobs that skilled migrants can take, but plenty of positions that employers reckon they just can’t get Aussies to fill are.
The government has conceded there are industries that are difficult to get young Australians to work in.
PM Malcolm Turnbull and Minister for Immigration Peter Dutton made the announcement on Tuesday. Picture: Kym SmithSource:News Corp Australia
Immigration Minister Peter Dutton highlighted tourism as one such industry in an interview with the Nine Network.
“If you look at the facts here, we do have the need for a foreign workforce in some circumstances but I think it would become the default option in some instance. We decided to clamp down on that,” he said.
“It is making sure we can train up Australian workers for Australian jobs. That is the priority of the Turnbull Government.”
Mr Dutton said he anticipated the proposed changes would be a “welcome development” by voters.
“I think Australians would accept the default position for business to seek out an Australian for a job before you employ somebody from overseas.”
Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce said the government is rationalising the process to make sure Australians have jobs while understanding the requirements of industry.
He says there are still jobs Australians don’t want to do, “whether it is packing offal in an abattoir or boning out skulls”.
The government’s announcement means the list of 650 occupation classifications that qualify for a temporary visa will be reduced by 200.
The professions in which 457 visa-holders are most commonly employed — cooks, cafe and restaurant managers, chefs and marketing specialists — remain on the list.
[h=1]Visa changes expose the work ‘lazy’ Australians just aren’t interested in[/h]April 19, 201711:59am
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PRIME Minister Malcolm Turnbull has called the list of skilled jobs that could be covered by controversial 457 visas “laughable”.
Positions for radio announcers, judges and magistrates, and caravan park managers are among about 200 jobs that will no longer be filled by workers on the temporary skilled working visas Mr Turnbull has proposed to replace the program.
But a long list of jobs will remain to be filled by foreign workers, and many for good reason.
According to the industries that employ overseas workers over locals, there are some jobs Australians just won’t do.
Bosses who rely on 457 workers have tried to bring to the Prime Minister’s attention their assessment of Australian workers — according to the employers, they’re lazy, greedy, and plain unreliable.
“Congratulations for being totally out of touch with the challenges small operators are having with finding Australian workers,” one wrote on Facebook in response Mr Turnbull’s announcement.
“Not turning up for interviews, not showing up for trial run, want the money with very little effort, late for their shifts, do not turn up for work because of a late night and the list goes on and on. Overseas workers are reliable honest and trustworthy.”
Caravan sales. Picture: Yarrawonga Caravans/FacebookSource:Facebook
Owner of Yarrawonga Caravans Dean Goudie — whose industry has been scoffed at for its inclusion on the skilled work list — reacted to Tuesday’s announcement saying Mr Turnbull “couldn’t have been further from the mark if he tried”.
“I employ a 457 visa holder and he is a valuable part of our team,” he told news.com.au.
“He isn’t like the ‘Aussie’ employee who quit three weeks ago via text message saying ‘thanks but he might give the job a miss’ the job I had spent the last six months training him in.”
Mr Goudie acknowledged that some businesses might “exploit the system”, but said he had employed industrious workers on skilled working visas who went on to become valuable contributors to society.
“They now employ over 20 employees each and pay taxes to our country,” he said.
Mr Goudie said that the government’s announcement would affect his growing business going forward.
“You really struggle for staff and it’s very hard,” he said.
“I’m all for giving Aussies jobs, don’t worry about that, but there are just none.
“We advertise hard. I’ve advertised and I can’t find them. Not one applicant.”
Sydney hair salon owner Luke Smart told news.com.au he and others in his industry would be happy to hire Australians, if only they would put their hands up for the jobs.
“457 visas have a place, we use them in the hairdressing industry because there is a major shortage,” he said. “Most employers would hire an Australian if there were Australians that applied it’s the same with nurses etc.”
Hairdressers aren’t at risk of being removed from the list of jobs that skilled migrants can take, but plenty of positions that employers reckon they just can’t get Aussies to fill are.
The government has conceded there are industries that are difficult to get young Australians to work in.
PM Malcolm Turnbull and Minister for Immigration Peter Dutton made the announcement on Tuesday. Picture: Kym SmithSource:News Corp Australia
Immigration Minister Peter Dutton highlighted tourism as one such industry in an interview with the Nine Network.
“If you look at the facts here, we do have the need for a foreign workforce in some circumstances but I think it would become the default option in some instance. We decided to clamp down on that,” he said.
“It is making sure we can train up Australian workers for Australian jobs. That is the priority of the Turnbull Government.”
Mr Dutton said he anticipated the proposed changes would be a “welcome development” by voters.
“I think Australians would accept the default position for business to seek out an Australian for a job before you employ somebody from overseas.”
Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce said the government is rationalising the process to make sure Australians have jobs while understanding the requirements of industry.
He says there are still jobs Australians don’t want to do, “whether it is packing offal in an abattoir or boning out skulls”.
The government’s announcement means the list of 650 occupation classifications that qualify for a temporary visa will be reduced by 200.
The professions in which 457 visa-holders are most commonly employed — cooks, cafe and restaurant managers, chefs and marketing specialists — remain on the list.
Kiwiland also doing the same thing,,,,,
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/zealand-t...kiwi-first-crackdown-011750503--business.html
[h=1]New Zealand tightens immigration rules in 'Kiwi-first' crackdown[/h]
By Charlotte Greenfield
Reuters19 April 2017
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WELLINGTON (Reuters) - New Zealand said on Wednesday it will tighten access to its skilled work visas, just a day after the United States and neighbouring Australia announced similar restrictions on immigration.
New Zealand's immigration minister said he was taking a "Kiwis-first approach to immigration", echoing Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and U.S. President Donald Trump in announcing policies to ensure jobs for Australians and Americans.
Migration has become a hot topic in the lead up to New Zealand's Sept. 23 general election.
"These changes are designed to strike the right balance ... and encourage employers to take on more Kiwis and invest in the training to upskill them," immigration minister Michael Woodhouse said in a statement, using the colloquial term for New Zealand citizens.
The changes to be introduced later this year include introducing a minimum income requirement, making it more difficult for family members to join visa holders and limiting the amount of time seasonal workers are allowed to stay in New Zealand.
A boom in new arrivals has helped the New Zealand economy race along with some of the strongest gross domestic product growth in the developed world.
But opposition parties and the central bank have called for a review of current policies, citing low wages growth and soaring house prices spurred by the influx.
Many sectors, such as technology and construction suffer from a severe shortage of workers and companies in these areas were recruiting many of their workers from offshore.
Under the changes, employers would need to provide a minimum income of NZ$49,000 ($34,530.30) for anyone entering on a prioritised "skilled". Anyone earning more than NZ$73,000 would be classed as highly skilled.
(Reporting by Charlotte Greenfield. Editing by Jane Wardell and Michael Perry)
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By Charlotte Greenfield
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WELLINGTON (Reuters) - New Zealand said on Wednesday it will tighten access to its skilled work visas, just a day after the United States and neighbouring Australia announced similar restrictions on immigration.
New Zealand's immigration minister said he was taking a "Kiwis-first approach to immigration", echoing Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and U.S. President Donald Trump in announcing policies to ensure jobs for Australians and Americans.
Migration has become a hot topic in the lead up to New Zealand's Sept. 23 general election.
"These changes are designed to strike the right balance ... and encourage employers to take on more Kiwis and invest in the training to upskill them," immigration minister Michael Woodhouse said in a statement, using the colloquial term for New Zealand citizens.
The changes to be introduced later this year include introducing a minimum income requirement, making it more difficult for family members to join visa holders and limiting the amount of time seasonal workers are allowed to stay in New Zealand.
A boom in new arrivals has helped the New Zealand economy race along with some of the strongest gross domestic product growth in the developed world.
But opposition parties and the central bank have called for a review of current policies, citing low wages growth and soaring house prices spurred by the influx.
Many sectors, such as technology and construction suffer from a severe shortage of workers and companies in these areas were recruiting many of their workers from offshore.
Under the changes, employers would need to provide a minimum income of NZ$49,000 ($34,530.30) for anyone entering on a prioritised "skilled". Anyone earning more than NZ$73,000 would be classed as highly skilled.
(Reporting by Charlotte Greenfield. Editing by Jane Wardell and Michael Perry)
As I said....The devil is in the details.
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457 visas: Maritime workers say reforms fall short as miners see limited impact
ABC RURAL BABS MCHUGH AND MICHELLE STANLEY
UPDATED THU APR 20 08:42:50 EST 2017
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Varanus Island workers
PHOTO The mining industry says the need for skilled workers is much reduced post-construction boom.
ABC RURAL: BABS MCHUGH
The Maritime Union of Australia (MUA) says the Federal Government has not gone far enough with changes to the 457 foreign skilled worker visa.
It will be replaced with a Temporary Skills Shortage Visa (TSSV) which has two components — a two year visa and a medium term visa which may be issued for up to four years.
The number of occupations on the TSSV will be reduced by 216 roles and the maritime sector says these include the removal of visas for ship's engineers, ship's masters, ship's officers, marine surveyors and marine transport professionals.
But MUA national secretary Paddy Crumlin questions why other local oil, gas and port workers will miss out on securing key positions given there are no changes to the Maritime Crew Visa system.
"Maritime Crew Visas basically lets in international seafarers into the domestic shipping industry without any background checks," he said.
"They don't pay tax and there's no application of any market testing, so it's just treated in laissez faire fashion.
"It's doesn't even have the requirements of a 457 visa it's like a revolving door of international workers that aren't as scrutinised as (those holding) tourist visas or even student visas.
Explained: The 457 visa
What is a 457 visa and how many people have them?
"It's just outrageous and if Mr Turnbull is going to be consistent the real issue he needs to close is that loophole. The rhetoric needs to match the action."
In September last year, a coalition of the MUA and other maritime unions had a win against the Federal Government in the High Court on foreign worker visas.
To circumvent provisions in the Offshore Resources Act that required skilled workers from overseas to only be accepted with a 457 visa, the then-assistant immigration minister, Senator Michaelia Cash, planned to introduce a new arrangement.
It was proposed that overseas workers would be issued a Maritime Crew Visa instead which, unlike 457 visas, does not come under the Immigration Act.
See the jobs that may be removed from the 457 visa list
In an unanimous decision, five High Court judges ruled Senator Cash had exceeded her authority.
"The Maritime Crew Visa has just got to go altogether," Mr Crumlin said.
"We've got around 1,000 unemployed Australian seafarers being replaced by international workers without any regard to the impact it's having on Australian seafarers."
Miners cautious with eye to future booms
Chiefs of the mining industry's peak bodies said they did not expect the 457 visa replacement to have much of an effect on the sector now that the boom has come off the boil.
Foreign workers in agriculture
Many rural employers say finding local labour is impossible.
However, the CEO of the Association of Mining and Exploration Companies, Simon Bennison, has warned that if the proposed replacement visas are not sufficient Australia's international completeness would suffer.
"It's critically important that the Government maintains a similar worker visa that enables the industry the flexibility to source skilled labour offshore, particularly in times of construction phases like we went through in the last cycle," he said.
Mr Bennison said the decision took AMEC by surprise.
But he said as long as visas could be processed quickly, and with a four year visa option available, the impact on the Australian mining industry should not be significant.
"As we get our head around what the implications are, if there are any significant glitches we feel we've uncovered, we'll try and sit down with the Government and work through them before these come into effect in March 2018."
Metals ambivalent to 'politics over policy'
The Australian Mines and Metals Association (AMMA) said it did not expect much of an impact either, but accused both the Government and the Opposition of using the 457 program as a political football.
AMMA is the key body that deals with industrial relations across the oil, gas and mining sectors.
Why the 457 visa is going
After two decades and tens of thousands of visas, the 457 visa category has been abolished. But what was it and why does this matter?
Spokesman Tom Reid says the announcement has put politics above policy.
"In the resources sector, for instance, our usage of 457 visa workers dropped from 6,000 back in 2011-12 at the height of the construction boom. Today it's only a few hundred," he said.
Mr Reid defended claims that the 457 system was working as it was designed to do, despite claims and investigations into it being rorted.
"The Department of Immigration releases quarterly reports on the number of 457 visa applications, they're transparent, they're able to be seen by anyone," he said.
"They show the number of 457 visas (in the resources sector) was reflective of the labour demands and labour shortages in those sectors at certain times."
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457 visas: Maritime workers say reforms fall short as miners see limited impact
ABC RURAL BABS MCHUGH AND MICHELLE STANLEY
UPDATED THU APR 20 08:42:50 EST 2017
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Varanus Island workers
PHOTO The mining industry says the need for skilled workers is much reduced post-construction boom.
ABC RURAL: BABS MCHUGH
The Maritime Union of Australia (MUA) says the Federal Government has not gone far enough with changes to the 457 foreign skilled worker visa.
It will be replaced with a Temporary Skills Shortage Visa (TSSV) which has two components — a two year visa and a medium term visa which may be issued for up to four years.
The number of occupations on the TSSV will be reduced by 216 roles and the maritime sector says these include the removal of visas for ship's engineers, ship's masters, ship's officers, marine surveyors and marine transport professionals.
But MUA national secretary Paddy Crumlin questions why other local oil, gas and port workers will miss out on securing key positions given there are no changes to the Maritime Crew Visa system.
"Maritime Crew Visas basically lets in international seafarers into the domestic shipping industry without any background checks," he said.
"They don't pay tax and there's no application of any market testing, so it's just treated in laissez faire fashion.
"It's doesn't even have the requirements of a 457 visa it's like a revolving door of international workers that aren't as scrutinised as (those holding) tourist visas or even student visas.
Explained: The 457 visa
What is a 457 visa and how many people have them?
"It's just outrageous and if Mr Turnbull is going to be consistent the real issue he needs to close is that loophole. The rhetoric needs to match the action."
In September last year, a coalition of the MUA and other maritime unions had a win against the Federal Government in the High Court on foreign worker visas.
To circumvent provisions in the Offshore Resources Act that required skilled workers from overseas to only be accepted with a 457 visa, the then-assistant immigration minister, Senator Michaelia Cash, planned to introduce a new arrangement.
It was proposed that overseas workers would be issued a Maritime Crew Visa instead which, unlike 457 visas, does not come under the Immigration Act.
See the jobs that may be removed from the 457 visa list
In an unanimous decision, five High Court judges ruled Senator Cash had exceeded her authority.
"The Maritime Crew Visa has just got to go altogether," Mr Crumlin said.
"We've got around 1,000 unemployed Australian seafarers being replaced by international workers without any regard to the impact it's having on Australian seafarers."
Miners cautious with eye to future booms
Chiefs of the mining industry's peak bodies said they did not expect the 457 visa replacement to have much of an effect on the sector now that the boom has come off the boil.
Foreign workers in agriculture
Many rural employers say finding local labour is impossible.
However, the CEO of the Association of Mining and Exploration Companies, Simon Bennison, has warned that if the proposed replacement visas are not sufficient Australia's international completeness would suffer.
"It's critically important that the Government maintains a similar worker visa that enables the industry the flexibility to source skilled labour offshore, particularly in times of construction phases like we went through in the last cycle," he said.
Mr Bennison said the decision took AMEC by surprise.
But he said as long as visas could be processed quickly, and with a four year visa option available, the impact on the Australian mining industry should not be significant.
"As we get our head around what the implications are, if there are any significant glitches we feel we've uncovered, we'll try and sit down with the Government and work through them before these come into effect in March 2018."
Metals ambivalent to 'politics over policy'
The Australian Mines and Metals Association (AMMA) said it did not expect much of an impact either, but accused both the Government and the Opposition of using the 457 program as a political football.
AMMA is the key body that deals with industrial relations across the oil, gas and mining sectors.
Why the 457 visa is going
After two decades and tens of thousands of visas, the 457 visa category has been abolished. But what was it and why does this matter?
Spokesman Tom Reid says the announcement has put politics above policy.
"In the resources sector, for instance, our usage of 457 visa workers dropped from 6,000 back in 2011-12 at the height of the construction boom. Today it's only a few hundred," he said.
Mr Reid defended claims that the 457 system was working as it was designed to do, despite claims and investigations into it being rorted.
"The Department of Immigration releases quarterly reports on the number of 457 visa applications, they're transparent, they're able to be seen by anyone," he said.
"They show the number of 457 visas (in the resources sector) was reflective of the labour demands and labour shortages in those sectors at certain times."
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457 visas: Food and fibre producers nervously await more detail on foreign worker reform
ABC RURAL
WED APR 19 14:21:27 EST 2017
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457 visa paperwork
PHOTO Abattoirs, food processors and regional tourism operators are the big users of the 457 visa scheme.
ABC RIVERLAND: CATHERINE HEUZENROEDER
The Federal Government's move to scrap the 457 visa for skilled foreign workers has raised concerns about a lift in costs and red tape among several food and fibre-based industries.
The meat industry has slammed the Government saying there has been no consultation despite being the largest employer of skilled foreign workers.
Abattoirs, food processors, piggeries, dairy farms and regional tourism operators are the big users of the 457 visa scheme outside of the cities.
Immigration Minister Peter Dutton said the Government would slash the number of occupations available for the two-year visa, down from the current tally of more than 650.
Goat, deer and turf farmers, shearers, wool buyers and classers, stock and station agents, butchers and small goods makers, horse trainers and jockeys — they are all slated to be cut from the list of eligible positions under two new foreign skilled workers visa programs.
The Australian Meat Industry Council (AMIC) said of the 95,000 workers here on the visa 20 per cent, or 15,000, work in meat processing or further up the supply chain in small goods production or at butchers' shops.
See the jobs that may be removed from the 457 visa list
AMIC general manager Patrick Hutchinson said it is seeking urgent Government meetings.
"We weren't consulted. This will put us in a position where we'll see costs increase as the pool of people we can access will decrease," he said.
"That will increase costs on us as a regulatory burden in a time of the worst terms of trade in our history, we can ill afford it."
The Victorian Farmers Federations' Pig Group president John Burke labelled the move a "most stupid decision" due to the difficulty it will create for rural employers.
Explained: The 457 visa
What is a 457 visa and how many people have them?
"It will make it harder to source the people we need," he said.
"It takes nearly 15 to 18 months to process a 457 visa application, so if the Government toughens up the rules again it will make it nigh on impossible to do it.
"Then we're stuck trying to find local staff who are cut out for this industry."
The Australasian Meat Industry Employees Union's NSW branch said the Federal Government has changed the wrong visa.
State secretary Patricia Fernandez said the same controls around the 457 visa should be applied to the 417 visa, known as the backpacker visa, if there is to be any impact on regional jobs.
"We welcome [the Prime Minister's] comments about Australian jobs for Australian workers, but the reality is that the 457 scheme has not had the impact that the 417 scheme has had on our industry," she said.
As chairman the market's board of directors, he said they also work hard.
Foreign workers in agriculture
Many rural employers say finding local labour is impossible.
"These guys come in and start at 11 o'clock at night to work until 7-8 in the morning, take a second job, then rest and study and either go to another job or come back and work the next evening," he said.
"Our number one success story is (a worker) who started with us and now works on a trade desk, on our export desk, managing our Middle East trade.
"Ironically it's become a perfect synergy for our own business because he is building wonderful rapport with these people which is something we could never do."
Others have welcomed the move, like Victorian fruit grower Greg Godwill who believes the 457 visa was "widely rorted".
He said the changes will "clear up some muddy waters" by tightening the scheme's eligibility requirements.
Tourism operators struggle for workers
In remote areas, regional tourism ventures often use 457 employees and the changes have been met with some uncertainty.
Backpacker Liv Pearla from Denmark
PHOTO Backpacker Liv Pearla from Denmark picking apples on Queensland's Granite Belt.
ABC NEWS: MARTY MCCARTHY
Pastoral station Curtin Springs, about 360 kilometres south-west of Alice Springs, doubles as a hotel and tourist destination, and relies heavily on the 457 visa.
Lyndee Severin said they always advertise for Australian employees first, but often have to resort to overseas workers.
She says it is unfortunate that the news has come right as the busy tourist season has kicked off.
"I think we're only seeing a small piece of the information and no doubt there's further information to come, but at the end of the day we need to have workers in place to run the business," Ms Severin said.
"We're just hitting the busy season, we're getting slammed, we can't be trying to deal with these issues on top of everything else."
457 visas: Food and fibre producers nervously await more detail on foreign worker reform
ABC RURAL
WED APR 19 14:21:27 EST 2017
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457 visa paperwork
PHOTO Abattoirs, food processors and regional tourism operators are the big users of the 457 visa scheme.
ABC RIVERLAND: CATHERINE HEUZENROEDER
The Federal Government's move to scrap the 457 visa for skilled foreign workers has raised concerns about a lift in costs and red tape among several food and fibre-based industries.
The meat industry has slammed the Government saying there has been no consultation despite being the largest employer of skilled foreign workers.
Abattoirs, food processors, piggeries, dairy farms and regional tourism operators are the big users of the 457 visa scheme outside of the cities.
Immigration Minister Peter Dutton said the Government would slash the number of occupations available for the two-year visa, down from the current tally of more than 650.
Goat, deer and turf farmers, shearers, wool buyers and classers, stock and station agents, butchers and small goods makers, horse trainers and jockeys — they are all slated to be cut from the list of eligible positions under two new foreign skilled workers visa programs.
The Australian Meat Industry Council (AMIC) said of the 95,000 workers here on the visa 20 per cent, or 15,000, work in meat processing or further up the supply chain in small goods production or at butchers' shops.
See the jobs that may be removed from the 457 visa list
AMIC general manager Patrick Hutchinson said it is seeking urgent Government meetings.
"We weren't consulted. This will put us in a position where we'll see costs increase as the pool of people we can access will decrease," he said.
"That will increase costs on us as a regulatory burden in a time of the worst terms of trade in our history, we can ill afford it."
The Victorian Farmers Federations' Pig Group president John Burke labelled the move a "most stupid decision" due to the difficulty it will create for rural employers.
Explained: The 457 visa
What is a 457 visa and how many people have them?
"It will make it harder to source the people we need," he said.
"It takes nearly 15 to 18 months to process a 457 visa application, so if the Government toughens up the rules again it will make it nigh on impossible to do it.
"Then we're stuck trying to find local staff who are cut out for this industry."
The Australasian Meat Industry Employees Union's NSW branch said the Federal Government has changed the wrong visa.
State secretary Patricia Fernandez said the same controls around the 457 visa should be applied to the 417 visa, known as the backpacker visa, if there is to be any impact on regional jobs.
"We welcome [the Prime Minister's] comments about Australian jobs for Australian workers, but the reality is that the 457 scheme has not had the impact that the 417 scheme has had on our industry," she said.
As chairman the market's board of directors, he said they also work hard.
Foreign workers in agriculture
Many rural employers say finding local labour is impossible.
"These guys come in and start at 11 o'clock at night to work until 7-8 in the morning, take a second job, then rest and study and either go to another job or come back and work the next evening," he said.
"Our number one success story is (a worker) who started with us and now works on a trade desk, on our export desk, managing our Middle East trade.
"Ironically it's become a perfect synergy for our own business because he is building wonderful rapport with these people which is something we could never do."
Others have welcomed the move, like Victorian fruit grower Greg Godwill who believes the 457 visa was "widely rorted".
He said the changes will "clear up some muddy waters" by tightening the scheme's eligibility requirements.
Tourism operators struggle for workers
In remote areas, regional tourism ventures often use 457 employees and the changes have been met with some uncertainty.
Backpacker Liv Pearla from Denmark
PHOTO Backpacker Liv Pearla from Denmark picking apples on Queensland's Granite Belt.
ABC NEWS: MARTY MCCARTHY
Pastoral station Curtin Springs, about 360 kilometres south-west of Alice Springs, doubles as a hotel and tourist destination, and relies heavily on the 457 visa.
Lyndee Severin said they always advertise for Australian employees first, but often have to resort to overseas workers.
She says it is unfortunate that the news has come right as the busy tourist season has kicked off.
"I think we're only seeing a small piece of the information and no doubt there's further information to come, but at the end of the day we need to have workers in place to run the business," Ms Severin said.
"We're just hitting the busy season, we're getting slammed, we can't be trying to deal with these issues on top of everything else."
"Lyndee Severin said they always advertise for Australian employees first, but often have to resort to overseas workers."
Sound damn familiar...."doesn't the employers here sing the same song"??? They advertise for Stinkerporeans first...but have to resort to employ that an neh from pondicherry, that Thant Gu Gu from Pagan, that Newyvan from Ho Chi Mingh City...that Augustus Pompous from Iloco Iloco....
They don't tell you, that these, are beterest, cheapest & fasterest....don't believe me ask, limp sway sway..
Sound damn familiar...."doesn't the employers here sing the same song"??? They advertise for Stinkerporeans first...but have to resort to employ that an neh from pondicherry, that Thant Gu Gu from Pagan, that Newyvan from Ho Chi Mingh City...that Augustus Pompous from Iloco Iloco....
They don't tell you, that these, are beterest, cheapest & fasterest....don't believe me ask, limp sway sway..
I respect what President Trump i doing he could see the future whereas the other President too blinded and clueless!! Make America great again is the correct phrase!!
Australia and Some European country are following suit! Careful interview and filter immigrant!! Terrorist could be among those migrant ( Trogen Horse) remember??, SG is totally blind and clueless we import Foreign Trash from China they don't speak a word of English and yet we have to speak their Pudong language which is Mandarin in our cuntry!! what a Joke!!
We also open flood gate to Pinoy, Ah Neh, Vietcong, Myanmar wtf is our gahman doing??
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