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Chitchat Death sentence that protected an entire generation

bigboss

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... Stop protecting your PAP judicial system...

Pappies have an ineffective, weak and funny judicial system running in the island.

When a criminal is charged, and his charge sheet is longer than an elephant's cock, the judge will sentence him to jail on one or two charges and the rest taken into consideration. What the fuck is this "taken into consideration"?

It makes no sense for the mata mata to work till their balls drop to pile charges on the accused person and finally, the judge will just take the charges "into consideration" when passing sentence.

In USA, when the criminal's charge sheet is as long as an elephant's cock, the criminal will get the full cock shafted into his arse to rot in prison for years, unlike the laws in sinkie land where the criminal will serve terms of a few months in prison, and not years, for similar kind of charge sheet.
 

bigboss

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.. Even if one innocent person is hanged, its already one too many and grounds for abolishing the death penalty. I can guarantee you there are more then one innocent person hanged.

To abolish the death penalty is to encourage people to kill at their whim and fancy and all hell will break loose. This is now happening in USA. The reluctance to impose gun ban is an aggravating factor to prompt people to kill.

In sinkie land, the pappies will not hang a criminal unless there is evidence to justify this death penalty. Pappies may be dumb and inefficient, but in certain areas, they are right not to abolish the death penalty for vicious crimes, killings and drug trafficking.

There is no evidence so far pappies had ever hung an innocent person but as for caning, yes, they did cane a criminal with more strokes than sentenced by the court.

In fact, pappies are now too lenient when dealing with criminals, especially those foreign criminals committing crimes in the island. If pappies do not get tough with those hooligans in Geylang and Little India, soon they will not be able to suppress them. Cane them, jail them, hang them but never allow them to run wild like those criminals in the 1950s.
 

bigboss

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There are many instances of unwitting drug mules. They are girls befriended and groomed by boyfriends who later ask them to carry something in their luggage for them. They get caught and they get the death sentence, the boyfriend looks for another mule. This is called love. And they clearly do not know what they are carrying.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse, and being an adult, each drug mule must know the consequences of being asked by a friend, especially a foreigner, to carry the luggage for that friend. Why didn't that friend want to carry it himself?
 

scroobal

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The British Commonwealth legal system differs from the US legal system in many ways. This is one. It is physically impossible to serve multiple life sentences but the American system still dishes it out. AG is the one that decides how many charges to proceed and how many charges to take into consideration. It benefits both the prosecution and the defences as they don't have to prepare for a trial for cases that are taken into consideration.

A US judge has passed sentence for an accused for 30,000 years. Thailand which never was colonised and has its own legal system holds the world record for an accused who has to serve 141,000 years. Next comes Spain has its own system - 42,000 years.

Interestingly Singapore sentences are one of the harshest in the World . Under Yong Pung How, he issued sentencing guideline where if you stole bread from supermarkets, it was minimum 1 day in jail. To him it did not make sense why someone would steal bread and not an expensive item at the same supermarket.

Pappies have an ineffective, weak and funny judicial system running in the island.

When a criminal is charged, and his charge sheet is longer than an elephant's cock, the judge will sentence him to jail on one or two charges and the rest taken into consideration. What the fuck is this "taken into consideration"?

It makes no sense for the mata mata to work till their balls drop to pile charges on the accused person and finally, the judge will just take the charges "into consideration" when passing sentence.

In USA, when the criminal's charge sheet is as long as an elephant's cock, the criminal will get the full cock shafted into his arse to rot in prison for years, unlike the laws in sinkie land where the criminal will serve terms of a few months in prison, and not years, for similar kind of charge sheet.
 

bigboss

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Yep, why draw the line at murder and drug offences? Why not also include drink driving killing with a car? Why not include death caused by negligence at the work place. eg. those 2 captains who killed the kid with the excessive smoke grenades should be sentenced to death too, right? It was a premedidated act...

Death penalty should be imposed on the accused person if he uses a weapon to inflict serious injury on his victim that causes death. To the pappies, the act of killing is reviewed in each case, and in many cases, the accused person is only charged with manslaughter, which is a rubbish sentence. The accused person kills his victim and he gets to live whereas the victim gets to rest in the grave or in the urn. A life for a life should be the appropriate sentence and criminals will think twice before killing their victims.

The Camry driver who wanted to use his car to kill the motorcyclist and the pillion rider should be charged with attempted murder, which is trying to kill the victims on the road by using his car as a weapon. Pappies opted for lesser charge of rash act, which is rubbish given the circumstances of the incident. It is just pure leniency.
 

bigboss

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The British Commonwealth legal system differs from the US legal system in many ways. This is one. It is physically impossible to serve multiple life sentences but the American system still dishes it out. AG is the one that decides how many charges to proceed and how many charges to take into consideration. It benefits both the prosecution and the defences as they don't have to prepare for a trial for cases that are taken into consideration.

A US judge has passed sentence for an accused for 30,000 years. Thailand which never was colonised and has its own legal system holds the world record for an accused who has to serve 141,000 years. Next comes Spain has its own system - 42,000 years.

Interestingly Singapore sentences are one of the harshest in the World . Under Yong Pung How, he issued sentencing guideline where if you stole bread from supermarkets, it was minimum 1 day in jail. To him it did not make sense why someone would steal bread and not an expensive item at the same supermarket.

With large foreign population in the island, it is time pappies should think of enforcing the judicial system more harshly to suppress the foreign criminals and all like-minded criminals. Foreign criminals are from countries where respect for mata mata and laws is zero; they do not understand respect. They understand only brunt force of law enforcement.

This is now happening in Geylang. The hooligans there are not afraid of mata mata. If rioters in Little India did not get shot for rioting, what would the mata mata do to them in Geylang? Now, you can see daily hooligans running gambling stalls, controlling whores, drugs dealing openly in that area. Even Banglas are in the act of dealing drugs. Pappies are losing control over hooliganism in Geylang. If the Police Commissioner and the Minister for HA are not aware of the situation in Geylang, they ought to step down and let someone like Duterte to take over.
 

bigboss

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I would like a simple system ...death penalty for all crimes. That will eliminate crime to almost zero. And we save money on having less judges, less prisons and even less poodles.

That kind of crime free scenario happened once in sinkie land during the Japanese Occupation. When a criminal was caught committing a crime like s simple theft, the punishment was horrific, either the hand was chopped off or he would be executed.

Today, pappies are allowing criminals to run wild, even an old man is daring enough to use his Camry to knock down the motorcyclist and the pillion rider to cause their death on the road, and what did the old rascal get? A simple charge of rash act. Knnb, the ah pek driver should be charged for attempted murder.
 

shittypore

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Why wasnt he charged for attempting murder? The bastard shld at least be serving life imprisonment, yet they dare to put Chia TP behind bars for 32 yrs!!! Is this Singapoe's Justice?
 

scroobal

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I agree. Enforcement seems to be the issue. I remember in 2005, a Malay friend told me that he was shocked when he was driving along Joo Chiat Road and he slowed down due to traffic at about 11am in the morning and a Vietnamese streetwalker tapped on his side window and asked if he wanted a massage. I too remember old men having their breakfast in coffeeshop being approached.



With large foreign population in the island, it is time pappies should think of enforcing the judicial system more harshly to suppress the foreign criminals and all like-minded criminals. Foreign criminals are from countries where respect for mata mata and laws is zero; they do not understand respect. They understand only brunt force of law enforcement.

This is now happening in Geylang. The hooligans there are not afraid of mata mata. If rioters in Little India did not get shot for rioting, what would the mata mata do to them in Geylang? Now, you can see daily hooligans running gambling stalls, controlling whores, drugs dealing openly in that area. Even Banglas are in the act of dealing drugs. Pappies are losing control over hooliganism in Geylang. If the Police Commissioner and the Minister for HA are not aware of the situation in Geylang, they ought to step down and let someone like Duterte to take over.
 

Force 136

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He made way for Benny Lim. Posting to CNB had nothing to do with performance or ops failure(s).

This guy SPH was posted out of ISD only when LKY found out he was still squatting there in spite of LKY's unhappiness in his handling of the Catholic activists.

LKY was reported to have demanded to know why he had not been moved - sending shivers down the spines of all the MHA syncophants. So they quickly bundled him to the smallest and least prominent of the MHA units.

With Sim's removal, Benny's way to the top was opened.....The lucky star that shone on him was LKY's bad mood that faithful day.....
 

Papsmearer

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Death penalty should be imposed on the accused person if he uses a weapon to inflict serious injury on his victim that causes death. To the pappies, the act of killing is reviewed in each case, and in many cases, the accused person is only charged with manslaughter, which is a rubbish sentence. The accused person kills his victim and he gets to live whereas the victim gets to rest in the grave or in the urn. A life for a life should be the appropriate sentence and criminals will think twice before killing their victims. The Camry driver who wanted to use his car to kill the motorcyclist and the pillion rider should be charged with attempted murder, which is trying to kill the victims on the road by using his car as a weapon. Pappies opted for lesser charge of rash act, which is rubbish given the circumstances of the incident. It is just pure leniency.
This is the issue I am bringing up. The judiciary is notoriously fickle here and inconsistent. U brought up the perfect example. If you deliberately have a few drinks and then get into a car to drive drunk, you might as well get a loaded gun and randomly shoot people on the street. yet, you have the death penalty impost by the same judiciary. Its better not to have it, for fear of killing innocents.
 

wuqi256

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I couldn't help but join in when i saw Vignes Mourthy being mentioned. His case is a sad one, one of the folks involved in charging him were found to be corrupt and sentenced. There are a few who will maintain to their deathbed day that there were more than elements of doubts in his case.

The death penalty is there for a reason and i am all for it but agree enforcement of it really varies according to the individual background and mitigating circumstances surrounding the case. As well, there should be due review process for capital cases which needs another set of judges to sit in the appeal process. Any judge that has already passed judgement on the case albeit in lower courts should not be allowed to hear the appeal.

Miscarriage of justice happens everywhere but it should be minimized. No judicial system is 100% foolproof, where is the tort in some of these instances?

How far can circumstantial evidence and liability for one truly stretch? This is not a question of vicarious liability. Some drug mules who have fallen in love may truly be unaware as they really thought their newfound boyfriend is for real but unfortunately love is blind. Many women may not question if the love of their life suddenly asks them to carry another bag given an excuse.

The issue here is not the individuals but the systematic exploitation of the drug trade. So many countries have their hands in this as globally even some government bodies are involved directly or indirectly in the drug trade.
 

OverTheCounter

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I couldn't help but join in when i saw Vignes Mourthy being mentioned. His case is a sad one, one of the folks involved in charging him were found to be corrupt and sentenced. There are a few who will maintain to their deathbed day that there were more than elements of doubts in his case.

The death penalty is there for a reason and i am all for it but agree enforcement of it really varies according to the individual background and mitigating circumstances surrounding the case. As well, there should be due review process for capital cases which needs another set of judges to sit in the appeal process. Any judge that has already passed judgement on the case albeit in lower courts should not be allowed to hear the appeal.

Miscarriage of justice happens everywhere but it should be minimized. No judicial system is 100% foolproof, where is the tort in some of these instances?

How far can circumstantial evidence and liability for one truly stretch? This is not a question of vicarious liability. Some drug mules who have fallen in love may truly be unaware as they really thought their newfound boyfriend is for real but unfortunately love is blind. Many women may not question if the love of their life suddenly asks them to carry another bag given an excuse.

The issue here is not the individuals but the systematic exploitation of the drug trade. So many countries have their hands in this as globally even some government bodies are involved directly or indirectly in the drug trade.



A very balanced and well articulated viewpoint.
 

Papsmearer

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I couldn't help but join in when i saw Vignes Mourthy being mentioned. His case is a sad one, one of the folks involved in charging him were found to be corrupt and sentenced. There are a few who will maintain to their deathbed day that there were more than elements of doubts in his case. The death penalty is there for a reason and i am all for it but agree enforcement of it really varies according to the individual background and mitigating circumstances surrounding the case. As well, there should be due review process for capital cases which needs another set of judges to sit in the appeal process. Any judge that has already passed judgement on the case albeit in lower courts should not be allowed to hear the appeal. Miscarriage of justice happens everywhere but it should be minimized. No judicial system is 100% foolproof, where is the tort in some of these instances? How far can circumstantial evidence and liability for one truly stretch? This is not a question of vicarious liability. Some drug mules who have fallen in love may truly be unaware as they really thought their newfound boyfriend is for real but unfortunately love is blind. Many women may not question if the love of their life suddenly asks them to carry another bag given an excuse. The issue here is not the individuals but the systematic exploitation of the drug trade. So many countries have their hands in this as globally even some government bodies are involved directly or indirectly in the drug trade.
Well put. And you are right, miscarriage of justice happens all the time and happens every where. But in singapore, it happens the most, look at Roy, and Amos and all the other political prisoners and opponents of the govt. Given this record, to continue to have the death penalty is fool hardy. No system is 100% foolproof. But carrying out a death sentence is irrevocable, especially if the person was found to have been innocent. In the US, they are constantly finding prisoners who are innocent and they are many projects to free them using modern forensic methods. If they were sentenced to long terms or imprisonment, they can at least be freed if found innocent later on and given some compensation. But death is final.
 

scroobal

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Hi Bro, hope you are well. I do recall that JB was going to be one phase of your life before going overseas for good. Hope things work out.

As to this case. It was a case that came up as the first case raised by Ravi and other activist. The accused admitted that he sold the package to the CNB officer and he claimed that it was incense stones in the package. It was this story that was not accepted during the trial. I understand that the Officer is an issue but things might have been different if the accused said the he did not sell anything to the Officer or denied handing him the package.

I don't think anyone is going to admit selling drugs when the consequences are grim. I know I am making a simplistic statement. If mules are not stopped because they are not the drug lords, the country will be flooded with drugs as Drug Lords seldom move stuff themselves. It is a difficult situation for any lawmaker to be in.

I couldn't help but join in when i saw Vignes Mourthy being mentioned. His case is a sad one, one of the folks involved in charging him were found to be corrupt and sentenced. There are a few who will maintain to their deathbed day that there were more than elements of doubts in his case.

The death penalty is there for a reason and i am all for it but agree enforcement of it really varies according to the individual background and mitigating circumstances surrounding the case. As well, there should be due review process for capital cases which needs another set of judges to sit in the appeal process. Any judge that has already passed judgement on the case albeit in lower courts should not be allowed to hear the appeal.

Miscarriage of justice happens everywhere but it should be minimized. No judicial system is 100% foolproof, where is the tort in some of these instances?

How far can circumstantial evidence and liability for one truly stretch? This is not a question of vicarious liability. Some drug mules who have fallen in love may truly be unaware as they really thought their newfound boyfriend is for real but unfortunately love is blind. Many women may not question if the love of their life suddenly asks them to carry another bag given an excuse.

The issue here is not the individuals but the systematic exploitation of the drug trade. So many countries have their hands in this as globally even some government bodies are involved directly or indirectly in the drug trade.
 

wuqi256

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Well put. And you are right, miscarriage of justice happens all the time and happens every where. But in singapore, it happens the most, look at Roy, and Amos and all the other political prisoners and opponents of the govt. Given this record, to continue to have the death penalty is fool hardy. No system is 100% foolproof. But carrying out a death sentence is irrevocable, especially if the person was found to have been innocent. In the US, they are constantly finding prisoners who are innocent and they are many projects to free them using modern forensic methods. If they were sentenced to long terms or imprisonment, they can at least be freed if found innocent later on and given some compensation. But death is final.

I wish there was a review of the laws or at least outdated provisions or sections can be amended according to the times.
There are much to do and so much to lose.

We can no longer do much for the dead no matter the level of anguish we may feel inside for the loss.
The rules that are made law were supposed to be based on perceived common sense and agreement.
Every single word written in judgement was passed by man, flawed to begin with, refined for purpose.
Laws should not be made with just blind deterrence or punishment but a view to rehabilitation in mind.

How often do we remember to question the very blindfold that Lady Justice wears? I respect the downward sword but the
scales should at least be even.
 

wuqi256

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Hi Bro, hope you are well. I do recall that JB was going to be one phase of your life before going overseas for good. Hope things work out.

As to this case. It was a case that came up as the first case raised by Ravi and other activist. The accused admitted that he sold the package to the CNB officer and he claimed that it was incense stones in the package. It was this story that was not accepted during the trial. I understand that the Officer is an issue but things might have been different if the accused said the he did not sell anything to the Officer or denied handing him the package.

I don't think anyone is going to admit selling drugs when the consequences are grim. I know I am making a simplistic statement. If mules are not stopped because they are not the drug lords, the country will be flooded with drugs as Drug Lords seldom move stuff themselves. It is a difficult situation for any lawmaker to be in.

Hi sir, recovering now. Thank you so much for your kind concern.

There were other elements that were doubtful, after speaking to the father and on the day the body was released to them.
What was interesting was the I/O statement and the report which was subsequently missing at some point. The current capital punishment process
on drug traffickers were lightly amended and no amendments comes in without cause. Following due process should not mean certain death for individuals.

I am a supporter of the sword. We cannot do anything more for the dead for their departure is irreversible but we should be mindful so that the innocent are given due process.

As an example, not having a judge who sentences you and who subsequently sits in the court of appeal on the day that he misses a good breakfast.
It does not bode particularly well for the individual in the docks on that day if the severity of his punishment weighs on a meal.
 

The_Hypocrite

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Death penalty should be introduced to Left wing liberal fuckwits,,,for they are nothing but traitors to humanity,,,protecting the criminals and promoting crime....
I would like a simple system ...death penalty for all crimes. That will eliminate crime to almost zero. And we save money on having less judges, less prisons and even less poodles.
 
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