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Sg Mega Church Demands Hong Bao For Jesus! Jesus Christ!

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<!-- START OF : div id="storytext"--><!-- more than 4 paragraphs -->I REFER to yesterday's report, "$500,000 pay for New Creation Church leader".
As a Christian now for 30 years, I cannot help but feel embarrassed by such a report.
However, I do not put the blame for such obscene pay cheques on the elite group of church leaders; rather, I would lay it on the congregation.
During the Chinese New Year period, my family and I visited one of the classier church buildings and attended a service. We were taken aback when a special offering, referred to as a hongbao for Jesus, took place. We were surprised to see many in the congregation willingly coming down the aisles to drop their red packets of money in the baskets held by the pastors and leaders. In return for giving, devotees received a spiritual blessing of prayer.
I was amazed at the congregation's willingness to give without really knowing where all the money was going to. (There was no mention of the purpose of the collection other than giving it to Jesus.) Edward Rajeshwar Zaccheus
 

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We were taken aback when a special offering, referred to as a hongbao for Jesus, took place. We were surprised to see many in the congregation willingly coming down the aisles to drop their red packets of money in the baskets held by the pastors and leaders. In return for giving, devotees received a spiritual blessing of prayer.

I can believe Sillyporeans are so gullible to be offering "Ang Bao" to Jesus. All those years of social engineering by PAP had really dumb us to the max. No wonder Li Ao say Sillyporeans are really stupid and we are so dumb enough to reply him.

Charities, SWF, Churches, Temples, CPF, Government policies and the list goes on.
 

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As if Jesus need any Ang Baos from Christians or whatever they call themselves...

:mad::mad::mad:

These pastors are really more concerned about their monthly contributions tally than forwarding the Word and Glory of God...

:oIo: :oIo: :oIo:
 

Danny_sg

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I tot this Jesus is supposed to be a deity?? Then need AngBao for fuck arh?? No wonder e CHC pastor driving Merc.
 

denzuko1

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I tot this Jesus is supposed to be a deity?? Then need AngBao for fuck arh?? No wonder e CHC pastor driving Merc.

As long as it can be a tool to get more money, the type of practise is justifiable even though it is of other religious origin. Other than that you will be in hell for the practise.
 

TeeKee

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Its always Money

does it remind you of someone?

very singaporeans don't you think? :biggrin:

angmos said we are materialistic....well accurate description indeed.

blame who? the leadership whose years of policies made us so.

now who is the real EVIL one working for SATAN? Hehe..
 

mercbenz

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Any brothers here want to sign up to start a new church? Let's call it -

Singapore's Unified Church of Kings (S.U.C.K)

The followers will henceforth be known as SUCKers.

Lai lai, big money to be collected every week/month.
 

Internet Brigade

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Any brothers here want to sign up to start a new church? Let's call it -

Singapore's Unified Church of Kings (S.U.C.K)

The followers will henceforth be known as SUCKers.

Lai lai, big money to be collected every week/month.

Whats with this rehash of an old topic?

You sir are a provocateur!
 

ahleebabasingaporethief

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At least the church leaders asked and not demand.

S'poreans are very used to all this what.

We have the CPF. Like it or not, GARMENT collects ang pows from CPF accounts by FORCE. They call it RAISING the MINIMUM SUM.

So call it for Jesus or for RAISING MINIMUM SUM, al the same what. \

S'poreans are STUPID. Short and simple!
 

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At least the church leaders asked and not demand.

S'poreans are very used to all this what.

We have the CPF. Like it or not, GARMENT collects ang pows from CPF accounts by FORCE. They call it RAISING the MINIMUM SUM.

So call it for Jesus or for RAISING MINIMUM SUM, al the same what. \

S'poreans are STUPID. Short and simple!

No donation is the same as no salvation. Not force meh?
 

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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR>Church leader's massive pay: Blame the congregation
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<!-- START OF : div id="storytext"--><!-- more than 4 paragraphs -->I REFER to yesterday's report, "$500,000 pay for New Creation Church leader".
As a Christian now for 30 years, I cannot help but feel embarrassed by such a report.
However, I do not put the blame for such obscene pay cheques on the elite group of church leaders; rather, I would lay it on the congregation.
During the Chinese New Year period, my family and I visited one of the classier church buildings and attended a service. We were taken aback when a special offering, referred to as a hongbao for Jesus, took place. We were surprised to see many in the congregation willingly coming down the aisles to drop their red packets of money in the baskets held by the pastors and leaders. In return for giving, devotees received a spiritual blessing of prayer.
I was amazed at the congregation's willingness to give without really knowing where all the money was going to. (There was no mention of the purpose of the collection other than giving it to Jesus.) Edward Rajeshwar Zaccheus

Every believer thinks that you can use money to buy salvation, like we used money to buy our children's love/
 

denzuko1

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May be he got this man as his idol....:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

Peter Popoff
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Peter Popoff
Born July 2, 1946 (1946-07-02)
Hamburg, Germany, raised in U.S.
Occupation President of "People United For Christ"
Years active 1970s - present
Religious beliefs Christianity (Pentecostal)
Spouse(s) Elizabeth Popoff
Children Amy, Nickolas and Alex

Peter Popoff (born July 2, 1946) is a German-born American Christian minister and televangelist. He claims to be a faith healer, and performs revival meetings on national television which include laying on of hands. His ministry is based in Upland, California, and is funded through donations. A widely popular minister in the 1980s, he went bankrupt in 1987 after skeptics James Randi and Steve Shaw exposed his method of receiving information about revival attendees from his wife via an in-ear receiver.[1] He has since returned to his ministry.
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* 1 Early life and career
* 2 Randi controversy
* 3 Resurgence
* 4 Financial details
* 5 Publications
* 6 See also
* 7 References
* 8 External links

[edit] Early life and career

Popoff was born in Germany. In a message entitled "10,000 Miles of Miracles", Popoff claimed he had been born in "the bomb shelters of Berlin at the end of World War II".[citation needed] Other sources indicate he was born in Hamburg in 1946.[citation needed]

During his appearances at church conventions in the 1970s, Popoff routinely and accurately stated the home addresses and specific illnesses of his audience members, a feat he allowed them to believe was due to divine revelation and "God given ability".[2] In 1986 when members of CSICOP reported that Popoff was using a radio to receive messages, Popoff denied it and said the messages came from God.[3] At the time of his popularity, skeptic groups across the United States printed and handed out pamphlets explaining how Popoff's feats could be done.[1] Popoff would tell his audience that the pamphlets were "tools of the devil".[1]

[edit] Randi controversy

Popoff's earlier claims were debunked in 1983 when noted skeptic James Randi and his assistant, Steve Shaw, researched Popoff by attending shows across the country for months. They discovered that radio transmissions were being sent by Peter's wife, Elizabeth Popoff, where she was reading information which she and her aides (Volmer Thrane, the brother of his manager Nancy Thrane, and Reeford Sherrill) had gathered from earlier conversations with members of the audience. Popoff would simply listen to these promptings with his in-ear receiver and repeat what he heard to the crowd. After tapes of these transmissions were played on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson, Popoff's popularity and viewing audiences declined sharply, and his ministry declared bankruptcy later that year.[1] In September 1987, sixteen months after the Carson airing, Popoff declared bankruptcy with more than 790 creditors having claims against him.[4]

As Randi explained in The Faith Healers, he originally took his research to the United States Attorney's office, but never heard back from them.[1] This led Randi's friend Johnny Carson to invite Randi on the show to explain how Popoff operated. Popoff at first denied that he used the tactics Randi claimed even asserting "NBC hired an actress to impersonate Mrs. Popoff on a 'doctored' videotape."[1] However, as the media pressed with more questions, "on day three Reverend Popoff admitted the existence of the radio device, claiming, that 'almost everybody' knew about the 'communicator.' And, he added, 'My wife occasionally gives me the name of a person who needs special prayers'."[1] However, Randi appeared on CNN previous to this claiming Popoff used a transmitter, but Popoff said this was false and he got the information from God.[1]

Popoff's shows also featured audience members who were brought on stage in wheelchairs and then rose dramatically to walk without support. Two in particular were celebrities Kyle Ellsworth and Petrina Dy. These were some of Popoff's most incredible "healings", but what believing audience members and television viewers did not know was that wheelchairs were used by Popoff to seat people who were already able to walk.[5]

Popoff wrote several paperbacks in the early 1980s that were published by Faith Messenger Publications but are now out of print. He was also known for collecting donations to be sent to the Soviet Union, which earned him a profit from a fraud scheme.[1]

In 1991, NOVA's episode Secrets of the Psychics aired footage of Popoff with his wife's radio transmission dubbed in. Since then, that episode was released on video to teach critical thinking.[1]

[edit] Resurgence

In 1998, The Washington Post reported that Popoff's following disappeared after he was exposed by Randi, but Popoff "joined dozens of other preachers to become fixtures on BET."[6] Consequently, Popoff, along with Don Stewart and Robert Tilton, received "criticism from those who say that preachers with a long trail of disillusioned followers have no place on a network that holds itself out as a model of entrepreneurship for the black community."[6] Currently Popoff's infomercials can be seen late nights and early mornings in the U.S. and Canada on BET, The Travel Channel, The Learning Channel (TLC), Global Television, TV One, The Word Network and Vision TV.[7] This includes television in Australia on Nine, in the United States, United Kingdom, and New Zealand.[7]

A 2006 report from Fox affiliate WDAF-TV in Kansas City revealed that Popoff's salary in 2004 was over $500,000, and his assets include a 2006 Porsche convertible worth $90,000. Some reporters are urging those who have donated money to Popoff in hopes of receiving "miracles" to report to the Attorney General in their state.[2] In 2005, KPRC-TV brought hidden cameras to a "People United For Christ" event and were caught by Popoff's bodyguards and escorted out as one man tried to take a reporter's driver's license.[8]

In February 2007, Inside Edition did an exposé on his continued faith healing and "Miracle Spring Water." The show explained that his new television programs feature him "healing the sick" in a manner identical to his method prior to James Randi's exposé. The investigation led by Matt Meagher featured clips from the infamous Carson show, an interview with Randi, and Inside Edition seeking comment from Popoff.[9] Meagher confronted Popoff as he got into his Porsche, but was smashed as Popoff attempted to shut the door of the car against him.[9] Asking Popoff why he took thousands of dollars from a desperate married couple, Popoff refused to answer questions and declined to be interviewed. The interview ended with Randi saying "flim flam is his profession; that's what he does best. He's very good at it, and naturally he's going to go back to it."[9]

In May 2007, ABC's 20/20 focused on Popoff's "comeback" and explored the lives of a few people who felt cheated.[10] Various media outlets have ran stories critical of Popoff's "comeback".[11][12][13][14] In July 2008, a Nanaimo, Canada resident was reimbursed by Popoff after the woman took her concerns over his fundraising public.[15]

In 2008, the UK broadcasting regulator Ofcom has given serious warnings to broadcasters for transmitting Popoff's material, which the regulator felt promoted his products "in such a way as to target potential susceptible and vulnerable viewers". These programs have included offers of free "Miracle Manna" that can allegedly provide health and financial miracles. If viewers asked for the "manna", they were sent letters asking for money.[16]

In 2009, advertisements appeared in the UK press offering a free cross which contained "blessed water" and "holy sand". The blessed water was supposedly from a source near Chernobyl (the site of a nuclear accident). Animals drinking from this source were purportedly free from any radiation sickness. The cross also bore the inscription 'Jerusalem'. The usual requests for money accompanied the cross and follow-up requests for money from Popoff were also sent out.

[edit] Financial details

At Popoff's peak in 1987, according to his comptroller, he took in $4.3 million a month. [17] After his exposure on the Tonight show he declared bankruptcy in 1987.[4]

According to Charity Navigator, in FYE 2004, Peter Popoff received $548,167 as president of his organization and the Peter Popoff Ministries raised $16,220,066 in revenue in FYE 2004.[18] Then in FYE 2005, Popoff received $628,732, his wife Elizabeth received $203,029, his son received $182,166, and daughter received $176,290 with $23,556,469 in revenue.[18] These figures are from IRS documents, which "only outline the millions of dollars people give Popoff's organization in the US." [19]
 
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