Lucky Tan debunks DPM Teo's arguments on immigration

Confuseous · Oct 23, 2012

In a recent town hall meeting, DPM Teo Chee Hean presented his argument that our low fertility rate today means that we need to have 20K-25K new citizens per year. You can and should read his speech and presentation in full here. For readers of this blog, you are probably familiar with the flaw in this argument - a shortfall of babies today can only be properly compensated by importing babies today or 25 year olds in 2037. ....not 20K adults which is what the PAP claims.

If you import a 30 year old man, say from Phillipines or China, and make him a citizen today, in 2050, he will be 78 years old and his addition will go to 2nd bar counting from the top. If you import 100,000, 30 yr old today, 100K will be added to this bar i.e it will make the profile worse in 2050 because there will be even more aged people.

I want to show you visually using DPM Teo's own presentation diagrams and data to show why his argument is wrong.

- http://singaporemind.blogspot.sg/2012/10/debunking-dpm-teos-immigration-argument.html

hawker · Oct 23, 2012

PAP will be happy as long as the 60% remain buying this shit.

Fook Seng · Oct 23, 2012

Lucky Tan has been arguing this point since last year but no one in the govt seems to have picked it up and continually propagates the same alleged error that Lucky Tan repeatedly highlighted. What is happening across the various layers of our government?

Kinana · Oct 23, 2012

But Lucky Tan don't have any solutions for the current shortfall either. Why worry about 50 years later? stupid right?

congo9 · Oct 23, 2012

Kinana said:
But Lucky Tan don't have any solutions for the current shortfall either. Why worry about 50 years later? stupid right?

Govt is just delaying the short fall of taxes.

Kinana · Oct 23, 2012

congo9 said:
Govt is just delaying the short fall of taxes.

The govt is doing great. But its not easy to balance everything, especially when people complain this and that. Want services but don't even want to pay meager taxes, want good governance but don't want to pay etc

streetsmart73 · Oct 23, 2012

Kinana said:
The govt is doing great. But its not easy to balance everything, especially when people complain this and that. Want services but don't even want to pay meager taxes, want good governance but don't want to pay etc

hi there

1. yo! who say we are paying for it?
2. every sheep here is paying for it.
3. to some sheep that just go around to blah.
4. oops! the blah thing includes you hoh!

Kinana · Oct 23, 2012

streetsmart73 said:
hi there

1. yo! who say we are paying for it?
2. every sheep here is paying for it.
3. to some sheep that just go around to blah.
4. oops! the blah thing includes you hoh!

just pay and don't complain you dummy!

streetsmart73 · Oct 23, 2012

Kinana said:
just pay and don't complain you dummy!

hi there

1. to pay sheep rightfully, my middle finger!
2. what are its kpis?
3. lip service, crying, apologising and vomits are no kpis.
4. do you understand what's value for money?
5. ah! you are just another dafter sheep!

Fook Seng · Oct 23, 2012

Kinana said:
But Lucky Tan don't have any solutions for the current shortfall either. Why worry about 50 years later? stupid right?

What Lucky Tan is saying is that there is no shortfall or that the shortfall is over-compensated. Why do we have to over-compensate? The govt is not telling you.

Fook Seng · Oct 23, 2012

Kinana said:
just pay and don't complain you dummy!

That surprisingly seems to be what the govt is saying all the time. Very odd.

Equalisation · Oct 23, 2012

Datoks and Datins,

Cut the chase ! New citizens equal PAPpy votes. Period.

mojito · Oct 23, 2012

Kinana said:
But Lucky Tan don't have any solutions for the current shortfall either. Why worry about 50 years later? stupid right?

Is there a shortfall? Why is this "shortfall" a problem?

Chey!

jw5 · Oct 23, 2012

His arguments are not difficult to debunk, are they?

mojito · Oct 23, 2012

jw5 said:
His arguments are not difficult to debunk, are they?

Since peasants do not have the right to reply, their views are discounted.

Frankly, one Lucky Tan in parliament is better than 5 lame ducks in blue. Who cares about MPS and walkabouts? Uncle never once found it necessary to go MPS see MP and pray for boons from the higher mortals.

jw5 · Oct 23, 2012

mojito said:
Since peasants do not have the right to reply, their views are discounted.

Frankly, one Lucky Tan in parliament is better than 5 lame ducks in blue. Who cares about MPS and walkabouts? Uncle never once found it necessary to go MPS see MP and pray for boons from the higher mortals.

You are beginning to sound like boss cruxx. oops.

Ok, let me test u one question.
What is the nickname of Francisco Alarcorn?

mojito · Oct 23, 2012

jw5 said:
You are beginning to sound like boss cruxx. oops.

Ok, let me test u one question.
What is the nickname of Francisco Alarcorn?

Don't ask me soccer stuff please. I no follow. Google is your friend.

jw5 · Oct 23, 2012

mojito said:
Since peasants do not have the right to reply, their views are discounted.

Frankly, one Lucky Tan in parliament is better than 5 lame ducks in blue. Who cares about MPS and walkabouts? Uncle never once found it necessary to go MPS see MP and pray for boons from the higher mortals.

that's why we need to have a period where the government keeps changing hands, until the government of the day realises and the peasants' views are not discounted.

as JBJ (with the long side burn) used to say: "power to the people"...............................

zeddy · Oct 23, 2012

Kinana said:
The govt is doing great. But its not easy to balance everything, especially when people complain this and that. Want services but don't even want to pay meager taxes, want good governance but don't want to pay etc

Want good governance but don't want to pay?

How much our Cabinet Ministers earn in a month? 1K, 5k, 10k?

Hello Kinana, our Govt Ministers are the best paid in the world.. We expect DPM Teo to come up with better arguments than this..

mojito · Oct 23, 2012

jw5 said:
that's why we need to have a period where the government keeps changing hands, until the government of the day realises and the peasants' views are not discounted.

as JBJ (with the long side burn) used to say: "power to the people"...............................

Limpeh no time to watch paint dry. Fastest way is effect change in SG is to extricate the Lees. Some good will come out of it. Then your blue ducklings can slowly grow fat, nobody rush them.

How many times you want to see "suicide squads" sent to AMK and give him 70% mandate?

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