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Is Death An Illusion?

kryonlight

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Robert Lanza - Evidence Suggests Death Isn’t the End

After the death of his old friend, Albert Einstein said “Now Besso has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us … know that the distinction between past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.”

New evidence continues to suggest that Einstein was right – death is an illusion.

Our classical way of thinking is based on the belief that the world has an objective observer-independent existence. But a long list of experiments shows just the opposite. We think life is just the activity of carbon and an admixture of molecules – we live awhile and then rot into the ground.

We believe in death because we’ve been taught we die. Also, of course, because we associate ourselves with our body and we know bodies die. End of story. But biocentrism – a new theory of everything – tells us death may not be the terminal event we think. Amazingly, if you add life and consciousness to the equation, you can explain some of the biggest puzzles of science. For instance, it becomes clear why space and time – and even the properties of matter itself – depend on the observer. It also becomes clear why the laws, forces, and constants of the universe appear to be exquisitely fine-tuned for the existence of life.

Until we recognize the universe in our heads, attempts to understand reality will remain a road to nowhere.

Consider the weather ‘outside’: You see a blue sky, but the cells in your brain could be changed so the sky looks green or red. In fact, with a little genetic engineering we could probably make everything that is red vibrate or make a noise, or even make you want to have sex like with some birds. You think its bright out, but your brain circuits could be changed so it looks dark out. You think it feels hot and humid, but to a tropical frog it would feel cold and dry. This logic applies to virtually everything. Bottom line: What you see could not be present without your consciousness.

In truth, you can’t see anything through the bone that surrounds your brain. Your eyes are not portals to the world. Everything you see and experience right now – even your body – is a whirl of information occurring in your mind. According to biocentrism, space and time aren’t the hard, cold objects we think. Wave your hand through the air – if you take everything away, what’s left? Nothing. The same thing applies for time. Space and time are simply the tools for putting everything together.

Consider the famous two-slit experiment. When scientists watch a particle pass through two slits in a barrier, the particle behaves like a bullet and goes through one slit or the other. But if you don’t watch, it acts like a wave and can go through both slits at the same time. So how can a particle change its behavior depending on whether you watch it or not? The answer is simple – reality is a process that involves your consciousness.

Or consider Heisenberg’s famous uncertainty principle. If there is really a world out there with particles just bouncing around, then we should be able to measure all their properties. But you can’t. For instance, a particle’s exact location and momentum can’t be known at the same time. So why should it matter to a particle what you decide to measure? And how can pairs of entangled particles be instantaneously connected on opposite sides of the galaxy as if space and time don’t exist? Again, the answer is simple: because they’re not just ‘out there’ – space and time are simply tools of our mind.

Death doesn’t exist in a timeless, spaceless world. Immortality doesn’t mean a perpetual existence in time, but resides outside of time altogether.

Our linear way of thinking about time is also inconsistent with another series of recent experiments. In 2002, scientists showed that particles of light “photons” knew – in advance – what their distant twins would do in the future. They tested the communication between pairs of photons. They let one photon finish its journey – it had to decide whether to be either a wave or a particle. Researchers stretched the distance the other photon took to reach its own detector. However, they could add a scrambler to prevent it from collapsing into a particle. Somehow, the first particle knew what the researcher was going to do before it happened – and across distances instantaneously as if there were no space or time between them. They decide not to become particles before their twin even encounters the scrambler. It doesn’t matter how we set up the experiment. Our mind and its knowledge is the only thing that determines how they behave. Experiments consistently confirm these observer-dependent effects.

Bizarre? Consider another experiment that was recently published in the prestigious scientific journal Science (Jacques et al, 315, 966, 2007). Scientists in France shot photons into an apparatus, and showed that what they did could retroactively change something that had already happened in the past. As the photons passed a fork in the apparatus, they had to decide whether to behave like particles or waves when they hit a beam splitter. Later on – well after the photons passed the fork – the experimenter could randomly switch a second beam splitter on and off. It turns out that what the observer decided at that point, determined what the particle actually did at the fork in the past. At that moment, the experimenter chose his past.

Of course, we live in the same world. But critics claim this behavior is limited to the microscopic world. But this ‘two-world’ view (that is, one set of physical laws for small objects, and another for the rest of the universe including us) has no basis in reason and is being challenged in laboratories around the world. A couple years ago, researchers published a paper in Nature (Jost et al, 459, 683, 2009) showing that quantum behavior extends into the everyday realm. Pairs of vibrating ions were coaxed to entangle so their physical properties remained bound together when separated by large distances (“spooky action at a distance,” as Einstein put it). Other experiments with huge molecules called ‘Buckyballs’ also show that quantum reality extends beyond the microscopic world. And in 2005, KHC03 crystals exhibited entanglement ridges one-half inch high, quantum behavior nudging into the ordinary world of human-scale objects.

We generally reject the multiple universes of Star Trek as fiction, but it turns out there is more than a morsel of scientific truth to this popular genre. One well-known aspect of quantum physics is that observations can’t be predicted absolutely. Instead, there is a range of possible observations each with a different probability. One mainstream explanation, the “many-worlds” interpretation, states that each of these possible observations corresponds to a different universe (the ‘multiverse’). There are an infinite number of universes and everything that could possibly happen occurs in some universe. Death does not exist in any real sense in these scenarios. All possible universes exist simultaneously, regardless of what happens in any of them.

Life is an adventure that transcends our ordinary linear way of thinking. When we die, we do so not in the random billiard-ball-matrix but in the inescapable-life-matrix. Life has a non-linear dimensionality – it’s like a perennial flower that returns to bloom in the multiverse.

“The influences of the senses,” said Ralph Waldo Emerson “has in most men overpowered the mind to the degree that the walls of space and time have come to look solid, real and insurmountable; and to speak with levity of these limits in the world is the sign of insanity.”

Robert Lanza has published extensively in leading scientific journals. His book “Biocentrism” lays out the scientific argument for his theory of everything.
 

chorut

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I just don't understand some people, like this Robert Lanza, misquoting Albert Einstein.


Albert Einstein said “Now Besso has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us … know that the distinction between past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.”


Now, where in that statement of Einstein gave the impression to Lanza that death is an illusion??
Einstein was talking about time and its relativity and never in that statement did he says that death is an illusion.

Give me a break.
 

kulgai

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I just don't understand some people, like this Robert Lanza, misquoting Albert Einstein.
Now, where in that statement of Einstein gave the impression to Lanza that death is an illusion??
Einstein was talking about time and its relativity and never in that statement did he says that death is an illusion.

Give me a break.

Delusion is perceiving something to be what it really isn't.:smile:
 

kryonlight

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Now, where in that statement of Einstein gave the impression to Lanza that death is an illusion?

Death is an event at a point in time. If the perception of time (past, present and future) is a stubbornly persistent illusion, then death as an event at a point in time must also be an illusion. That's how I see it, and I think that's how Einstein saw it because he called this world a "strange world".
 

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Death is an event at a point in time. If the perception of time (past, present and future) is a stubbornly persistent illusion, then death as an event at a point in time must also be an illusion. That's how I see it, and I think that's how Einstein saw it because he called this world a "strange world".

Sorry dude, you got it all wrong. First, try not to put words into Einstein's mouth. Never in my study of Einstein's works and biography did I find any scientific or philosophical nuances about death being an illusion. Second, you understanding of Einstein's GLR and SLR are very superficial and skewed towards your presumptions of the death phenomenon. Second, Einstein never said the perception of time is a stubborn persistent illusion. What he said is that relatively, past, present and future co-exist in our 4-D world. That's all. Hence, to him it's strange, because as humans, we perceive time as linear, hence there is past, present and future. But to Einstein, it's just a relative perception. Relative perception is NOT to be presumed as illusion. Don't mix two different concepts together just to suit the context, like what that moron Robert Lanza did.
 

kryonlight

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Hence, to him it's strange, because as humans, we perceive time as linear, hence there is past, present and future.

That's why I am saying that the perception of time is a stubbornly persistent illusion. How else do you define the perception of time other than the conscious distinction between past, present and future?

But to Einstein, it's just a relative perception.

Yes, that's why death as an event at a point in time is an illusion. But to Einstein, it means nothing, because he had seen the illusion for what it is. It's just that it stubborn persists even for him.
 

chorut

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That's why I am saying that the perception of time is a stubbornly persistent illusion. How else do you define the perception of time other than the conscious distinction between past, present and future?



Yes, that's why death as an event at a point in time is an illusion. But to Einstein, it means nothing, because he had seen the illusion for what it is. It's just that it stubborn persists even for him.


Why is the linear perception of time an illusion?? And why is this perception stubbornly persistent? Have you asked yourself these questions?

Time as observed by humans having lived through the past but cannot know or see the future gives rise to the present. All this is real.

But to Einstein, from the relative dimension he's looking at events, which is higher, he can interprets the intertwining of the past, present and future, BUT don't put words into his mouth. He did not say time is an illusion. Neither did he say past, present and future is an illusion. All these are real. It's just relative to each own's perception but all this perceptions do not make time an illusion.

You can't comprehend the truth because you've preconceived ideas already.
 

kryonlight

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He did not say time is an illusion. Neither did he say past, present and future is an illusion. All these are real. It's just relative to each own's perception but all this perceptions do not make time an illusion.

Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. ~Albert Einstein

Interpret that however you want, but he definitely never said that reality is merely 'relative perception'. He explicitly used the word 'illusion' to describe reality.

Now, don't say that I put words into his mouth.
 
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chorut

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Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. ~Albert Einstein

Interpret that however you want, but he definitely never said that reality is merely 'relative perception'. He explicitly used the word 'illusion' to describe reality.

Now, don't say that I put words into his mouth.

See what I mean? Putting words into Einstein's mouth. If you've studied his works, you'll know that Einstein also said "God does not play dice". So, fuckers like you, like those religious nuts, will say "there you go, proof that Einstein believes in God, because he said God does not play with dice".

That, frankly, is putting words into Einstein's mouth.

Listen, when Einstein said "reality is merely an illusion", he didn't expect fuckers like you link what he said to "death is an illusion".
Niether did he expect fuckers like you to link it to "linear time is an illusion, hence not real".

You're just juggling with semantics. Very funny, but no thanks, it ain't true.
 

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nice! another science trained forumer fucking religious idiots

welcome aboard.

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stupid religious idiot that never goes to school will never be able to understand this. they will interpret whatever fuck they like
 
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kryonlight

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You're just juggling with semantics. Very funny, but no thanks, it ain't true.

Whether it's true or not, you will have to ask Einstein himself. What you have presented is only your own interpretation of what you think Einstein meant.

“Time and space are modes by which we think and not conditions in which we live.” ~Albert Einstein
 
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chorut

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Whether it's true or not, you will have to ask Einstein himself. What you have presented is only your own interpretation of what you think Einstein meant.

“Time and space are modes by which we think and not conditions in which we live.” ~Albert Einstein


Since you say Einstein's interpretation is best left to himself, then this thread is irrelevant, as this thread you started is PUTTING WORDS INTO HIS MOUTH. My purpose here is to make sure the truth is NOT warped and brutalized by ignorant pricks.

I don't think you fully understand what Einstein meant by “Time and space are modes by which we think and not conditions in which we live.”, so why you even bother to post it, it's ironic you think I should leave it to Einstein to interpret his own words, but you go aheas plaster his quotes all over the thread and post a DEATH article that uses pseudo-science and borrow Einstein's scholarly works for its own mental masturbation.
 

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Einstein's invented light bulb .. But it's today man that invented LED light . So Einstein's words is not really smart .although he is a smart man during his era . And that does not mean that everything he say is correct or the truth even he is a smart man in that era . Don't forget science always discover new things and never stop at one conclusion . That's the beauti of science , they always discover new things .
 

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[video=youtube;i9nXEXWlQ5Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9nXEXWlQ5Q[/video]

Too much coke or dope will makes you see illusion.
 
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