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Married with three children; lived in a Bukit Timah bungalow, a Mercedes 280, and a Lancia. belonged to the Singapore Cricket Club and Jurong Country Club.
Born in Singapore in 1935. His parents, both from farming families. father practically illiterate; mother couldn't write own name correctly. laundry shop at 46 Robinson Road, helped by Tang, four brothers and three sisters. no formal schooling until he was over 13.
He joined a chinese school, Yeung Ching Primary School, in 1949. Graduated from Chinese high school in 1957. Tang describes himself then as a staunch Lee supporter. In fact, he and a group of students once stood in front of a stage as bodyguards to protect Lee and other political leaders at a political rally, in the cause of struggle for independence and democracy for Singapore.
He joined a village Chinese school as a teacher for five years. But he wanted to do something more. "I was very influenced by Confucian thinking," he says. "I wanted to pursue my education."
Tang was inspired to earn a degree. At the time, the University of Singapore did not recognize graduates from any Chinese high school in Singapore. In 1962 he joined Nanyang University which had recently opened.
Although he was Chinese-educated, he later seized the opportunity to enter the then University of Singapore as a sort of pilot project in 1963. At the time, Lee Kuan Yew said he wanted to " let in a few piranhas (man-eating fish) in the goldfish tank" to climatise and season the English-educated. He graduated in 1967 and joined the bar the following year.
Tang was active among the chinese community. He was the chairman of the Nanyang Academy Of Fine Arts for many years and sat on the board of management of Singapore Chinese High School, Hwa Chong Junior College, and a few other schools.
In the early 1990's, together with a group of Chinese intellectuals, Tang began to be concerned about what he and the group viewed as an emerging problem: too few Chinese students had any mastery of Mandarin. "Many younger generation Chinese can't even read the menu in a Chinese restaurant, let alone Chinese newspapers" Tang says. "Many Chinese students loathe learning Chinese language. Isn't there something wrong?"
The group drew up a memo on the problem and suggested several new policies. As a result, he was profiled in the Straits Times -- and, Tang says, misquoted. His friends, outraged, drafted letters in response, but Tang told them it wasn't worth bothering with. " It did not occur to me that I would one day participate in politics," he says. "Never!"
HPL Scandal: "It was a matter of principle," he says. "[The magazine's] lawyer didn't think it was defamatory, but the management decided to apologize and pay damages to maintain its circulation in Singapore. That was a commercial decision, but I'm not a commercial man."
"To me, I was touching on a topic of public interest. Whether, as a matter of public policy, it is legally and morally right for so many people holding high positions, to get deep discounts through "guan xi" (connection) from a public-listed company, which is supposed to maximize returns to its shareholders. And my comment was very fair. Why should this case not be handled like any other case? It was time to stand up to Lee Kuan Yew and say, 'No,' although he's very important and his power is awful. But I think someone has to tell him, 'No.' I don't think he must have his way all the time under whatever circumstances."
"Lee Kuan Yew had been bullying people for years," he says. "But I'm not like those who are easily intimidated. I'm prepared to sacrifice everything to fight for freedom of speech, particularly on matters of public interest. This is me! After all, Goh Chok Tong had already said HPL matters should be investigated. I only said, why don't you allow the professionals to investigate?" "Defamation?"
Election Campaign: "I had never expected that they would go to such an extent to do that sort of things to me and members of my family," he says. "I would never believe what would happen to me and my family."
Tang believes that the non-English speaking Singaporeans (including Chinese, Malays and Indians) have been discriminated against unnecessarily under the PAP policies, particularly, for example, the Chinese-educated, the Buddhists, the Taoists, the Hindus and the Muslims. This discrimination, he says, takes various forms - from the restructuring of Nanyang University, to the lack of a Chinese-language business paper, to the intake of university students, to the engagement of university lecturers and school teachers, to the manning of positions in the army and police forces, to the absence of representation of the non-English-speaking Singaporeans in the decision-making process and in many top government posts. "Just to name a few as illustrations."
Tang's views on education are closely related to his views on language. "Take the word 'equity,'" he says. "That one word, you can write a book on it. You cannot translate it verbatim into Chinese. It means fairness. It also has legal and technical meanings. It means also having clean hands and a fair mind. It is not possible to translate it into one word. On the other hand, the Chinese word 'xiao' is usually translated as piety, or filial piety. But that's just a small fraction of the concept. You can translate the concept, but not word for word. They distorted my view by accusing me of believing that ideas can only be expressed in Chinese. I have never opposed to learning English. The Chinese stand to lose by not knowing his own language and culture. Their loss is not a gain to the other races."
"They branded me as a Chinese chauvinist," he says. "Up to this moment, they have spared no efforts in distracting the public's attention from my arguments in order to frighten off the non-Chinese Singaporeans. My candidacy for the opposition triggered off the PAP's nerve system. I am a cross-cultured breed and can cross cultural and language barrier. This touches the core policy of Singapore and the PAP:- "Divide and rule." "
Re Mdm Teo's inability to find a suitable lawyer to represent her in court in resisting the PAP leaders' claims on her properties: "There is a general fear about going against the government," says Tang. "If you have a country where the lawyers dare not represent someone in a dispute with government leaders, that alone is a terrible thing. That speaks louder than anything else."
Re lessons of the affair: "A fake democracy cannot maintain its false pretences for long. The lesson is for Lee Kuan Yew and the PAP," he says. "In the past, they found it too easy to swallow up people. But this time, they have picked the wrong person. I am too prickly to be swallowed up smoothly without pain." I think the saga shows they cannot continue to use this kind of method to deal with the opposition. First they used the ISA, then they use litigation. The Singapore judiciary has lost its creditability and the system of government has lost its public trust. And the world loathes and despises the PAP for doing that."
"But the opposition has to learn this too. All their energy, money, and effort is drained in the legal battles generated by the PAP. They are made very busy in defending themselves. This is the tactics of the PAP. And we must not fall into the PAP's trap repeatedly."
"No people in the world like to be manipulated until they go into the graveyard. And I believe that Singaporeans will wake up one day and say no to the PAP. Now they have no choice but to vote for the PAP. One must understand that about 85 to 90 percent of the total population of Singapore live in HDB flats controlled and managed by the government departments. During the election campaign, the Singapore Prime Minister, Goh Chok Tong, publicly threatened that if they vote for the opposition, their flats will be deliberately let to deteriorate and be of less value, and that by dividing vote-counting into 25 counting centres, they know exactly who vote for the opposition. The people have no choice but to vote for the PAP. There is no democracy. But I believe one day they will fight for their right of choice. They have been threatened for so many years already. But one day-how soon, I cannot predict--but I believe it will not be too long. I do not believe the PAP can hold itself together after LKY is gone. The PAP will fight among themselves like dogs and cats."
"I will never give up," he says. "My sacrifices cannot be in vain. They must eventually benefit the people of Singapore. Do I intend to come back? I have intended for a long time to come back. When? I can't tell. I am waiting for an opportune time."
"I'm not against the Lees although they've hurt me so much. I'm for Singapore. I just want what's good for Singapore."
"If everybody speaks up, there's nothing the Singapore government can do. Because the jails are too small."
"It is obvious that Lee & family have already amassed vast amount of wealth. But nobody dared to speak up. They are very powerful in Singapore. To maintain their high positions and wealth, they must have a monopoly of power. LKY has his relatives and cronies in the army, in the police force and everywhere. They have their fingers everywhere. LKY explained that they were very clever, very successful. So, for him (LKY) to have gone into politics was his big sacrifice for Singapore. He said he would have made a lot of money like them if he had gone into business instead of politics. Do you believe that? I don't. But I can say this, if I became Prime Minister, my family and relatives would become more intelligent immediately! Their IQ will jump several levels and make a lot of money!"
"The activities of the ruling family of Singapore have so far escaped the attention of public media outside Singapore."
"There's a lot of cow-dung propaganda going on in Singapore.
Singapore is 77% Chinese, and you need a Speak Mandarin campaign to remind Singaporean Chinese to use the language. How pitiful! In addition, the campaign is in fact a deliberate attempt to arouse fear among the non-Chinese and in turn the PAP use that fear to club the Chinese community in the name of maintaining racial harmony. Do you need a Speak English Campaign in England or in America to maintain the continual use of English? LKY has succeeded, which the British colonialists failed, to make many Singapore students hate learning their own language and culture."
"Confucianism is not taught in schools-only confusionism!"
"Once in a blue moon, when world conference on Confucianism was held in Singapore, the PAP would seize the opportunity to launch its massive propaganda to the outside world and hoodwinked the Chinese communities around the world, especially those scholars in China, into believing that Singapore promotes Confucianism. This is just another fraud."
On high pay to the ministers, senior civil servants and persons holding high positions to prevent corruption: "Why don't we also pay all potential criminals in Singapore handsomely so that they will not become criminals and so that millions of dollars spent in crime-prevention measures annually can be saved?"
When Singapore got the economic benefit from the fast and extensive development of Asia, the PAP claimed that the economic achievement of Singapore was due to PAP's good government. Now, they dare not claim that the PAP good government can solve the currency crisis. Instead, they want the people to put up with the suffering and they continue to keep their high salaries.
On national reserve: The PAP leaders have treated Singapore's national reserve as their loose coins in their pockets which can be disposed of at their whims and fancies to cultivate personal friendship with Indonesian political leaders. The use of the 10 billion dollars has not been designed to cultivate the goodwill and friendship between the peoples of Singapore and of Indonesia. Singaporeans only came to know about it when Indonesia unilaterally announced it. Worst still, it may easily be seen as the government of Singapore taking side in the current internal political struggles between the Indonesians and their political leaders. It is also no good to the Indonesian politicians in power to be seen this way. All end up as losers.
What is left to be inquired is whether there are other portions of Singapore's national reserve disposed of similarly on other occasions or for other purposes.
On characteristic determination of LKY in getting things done:
"On 28 April 1997 and 5 May 1997 in Court under oath, LKY maliciously and wickedly accused me of having foreign supporters behind the scene. His wicked accusation was designed to ruin me internationally. I challenged LKY to name my underwriters or backers outside the court. He chose to chicken out on this. Similarly, in August 1997 he also dropped everything and ran away to avoid cross-examination by George Carmen QC (mind you, only one QC) after having boasted in Court on 5 May 1997 to Justice Chao Hick Tin in the presence of his battalion of lawyers that "…There are a few thousand QCs in London who could have taken me over the coals (to be grilled or cross-examined severely) and I'm prepared for it…" I believe the most disappointed ones must be those ball-carriers as there is nothing left on him to be carried.
One can easily accuse me of using coarse language in this article. My simple answer is that a barbarian (Francis Seow prefers the word "tartar" while Chris Lingle prefers "dung-beetle") deserves only that without losing sight of the cruel methods and treatment LKY has meted out to political detainees and opposition.
Re PAP lawyers. "They have sworn to be officials of the court to administer justice. What kind of justice is this? They intentionally and deliberately helped the PAP leaders to make untrue claims against me and prevented me from defending those claims so that the PAP leaders can avoid being cross-examined in court and exposed for their nonsense. They had known that it was the Singapore Prime Minister, Goh Chok Tong, who had authorised Lee Kuan Yew to release the two police reports made by me to the press for publication. Yet, they helped the PAP leaders to settle Statements of Claim knowingly and intentionally making false claims against me for the publication of the police reports. They prepared Affidavits and made applications after applications against me and my wife. They came to the court with dirty hands and dirty minds and obtained an equitable remedy by way of Mareva Injunction against me and my wife.
In August 1997, when asked by George Carmen QC as to why Justice Chao Hick Tin was so seriously misled into believing that I had caused the publication by the press of my two police reports against them, this battalion of lawyers offered no answer.
Only in September 1997, after much brain-cracking and deliberation, this battalion of lawyers, once looked cocky, militant and robust, could only give the lame excuse to the three judges of the Court of Appeal that the issue as to who actually released the police reports to the press for publication was not raised in the court below, otherwise they could have disclosed the fact to the court.
This is just a pack of bull-shit.
Where is the rule of law? Where is the professional decency? The Singapore Straits Times once boasted that these lawyers are the cream of the legal minds in Singapore, forming a "dream team" of lawyers for the PAP leaders. But, to me, they are just cockroaches and rats running around under legal gowns. Their conduct is an intolerable insult to the Singapore judiciary and to the legal profession. It is sad!
It is sadder still for the people of Singapore as the PAP and its cronies are demolishing the system of Singapore.
(THIS ARTICLE WAS ADAPTED FROM AN INTERVIEW BY CHRIS LYDGATE, A FREELANCE WRITER COMMISSIONED TO WRITE FOR ASIA ONLINE. THE REPORT SUBMITTED BY CHRIS LYDGATE WAS NOT PUBLISHED BY ASIA ONLINE ON EXERCISE OF ITS SELF-CENSORSHIP WHICH MAY OTHERWISE FACE MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR DEFAMATION SUITS)
 
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I love PAP - pay and pay. It's an honest system that make no pretence on free lunches. I think the temples offering free lunches are berserk and bizarre. It's against sinful humans' behaviors.

TLH is extremely deceitful. Using his own agenda against a person he dislike and hated by drawing ethnic support is despicable. Luckily, the majority Sg people were not fooled. But, there are plenty fools nontheless; evident from the support in this forum.

How can non-English educated Chinese be disadvantage when the richest Chinese guy in Sg cannot even write his name in Chinese or English? F7ck you TLH. You are deceitful to the extreme.

Matter of fact, for every succesful English educated Chinese I can name you an equally if not more successful 'disadvantage' guy you purported to fight your case on.

F7ck you and your f8cking supporters. You ppl deserved your lot. F7ck Uncle Yap also, the mindless arsehole with a brain no larger than a pea.

I rest my case.
 

kingrant

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The most deceitful guy is the oldest and meanest fart in govt today, not any other man, woman, or animal. He is yr great pretender, whose balls you lick passionately.

TLH raised issues of the Chinese education and was as concerned as the PAP like any other citizen. The mistake he made was to push the PAP faster and beyond where it was prepared to go, and what it was prepared to do. Old Fart wants nobody to fix his political agenda but what has Old Fart done all these years except make us more of language eunuchs? Nobody in PAP cabinet can claim to be more multi-cultural and multi-lingual than TLH. Nobody. Old Fart himself had to force himself to learn Chinese so as not to look like a banana - yellow outside and white inside, a foolish Chinaman who can't speak Chinese. A son of some coward who gave him the name of Harry because he wanted to ingratiate himself with the colonial masters.


I love PAP - pay and pay. It's an honest system that make no pretence on free lunches. I think the temples offering free lunches are berserk and bizarre. It's against sinful humans' behaviors.

TLH is extremely deceitful. Using his own agenda against a person he dislike and hated by drawing ethnic support is despicable. Luckily, the majority Sg people were not fooled. But, there are plenty fools nontheless; evident from the support in this forum.

How can non-English educated Chinese be disadvantage when the richest Chinese guy in Sg cannot even write his name in Chinese or English? F7ck you TLH. You are deceitful to the extreme.

Matter of fact, for every succesful English educated Chinese I can name you an equally if not more successful 'disadvantage' guy you purported to fight your case on.

F7ck you and your f8cking supporters. You ppl deserved your lot. F7ck Uncle Yap also, the mindless arsehole with a brain no larger than a pea.

I rest my case.
 
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UpYoz_olo

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The most deceitful guy is the oldest and meanest fart in govt today, not any other man, woman, or animal. He is yr great pretender, whose balls you lick passionately.

TLH raised issues of the Chinese education and was as concerned as the PAP like any other citizen. The mistake he made was to push the PAP faster and beyond where it was prepared to go, and what it was prepared to do. Old Fart wants nobody to fix his political agenda but what has Old Fart done all these years except make us more of language eunuchs? Nobody in PAP cabinet can claim to be more multi-cultural and multi-lingual than TLH. Nobody. Old Fart himself had to force himself to learn Chinese so as not to look like a banana - yellow outside and white inside, a foolish Chinaman who can't speak Chinese. A son of some coward who gave him the name of Harry because he wanted to ingratiate himself with the colonial masters.

By the same token, you've passion for licking TLH's balls, right? You are king rant not for nothing what. You're loser in this system and we all understand. Just like TLH. I always wonder when he and Francis Seow were doing so well under the system, why those issues they claimed to fight for did not exist. Only when they felled from grace did they suddenly become people's champion.

Who are you and your masters trying to kid?

In fact I delight to witness the misery they currently experience. I would have hit them harder if given the power. Of course, they can be dynasty changer. BUT, are they the chosen one? That's the most important question.

I rest my case.

:oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo:
 

leetahbar

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TLH like many others such as the late JBJ - all fell into a verbal trap by pap and got sued off their pants.

as such, future opp political wannabes should be very cautious to control their tempers lest they would be victims of their own off-keyed words.

if one wanna fight the paps, they must be very calm - very, very calm and concise about what they blurt and restrain their emotion.
 

kelingkia

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*$@)&%!*%+(%@&)&^%)&$#&


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cheebai kia old fart bapok PAP dog Bob Sim Kheng Hwee,

Did you bash your father and call your mother laucheebye today?

You good-for-nothing jobless unmarried lazy sadfuck, why don't you go and get a job instead of lazing at home all day surfing the net, indulging in your own world of fantasy, creating trouble for people, and stirring shit among opposition supporters.

Aren't you ashamed of yourself, a pathological liar who beat your father and scold your mother laucheebye, and yet shamelessly demand pocket money from them.

It is better off that you die as early as possible to release your parents from suffering further!
:rolleyes::oIo:
 

kelingkia

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Lanjiao sucking unemployed parasite old fart faggot fake monk PAP dog Bob Sim Kheng Hwee, temple thief, swindler, fraudster, cheat, con-artist, liar, hypocrite, deceiver, betrayer, all rolled into one!

First you claim to be a Buddhist monk.

Then you claim to be a Christian.

Then you became a moderator of your own FAILED forum to showcase your slander and sick fantasies.

Then you befriend people who took you in and then backstabbed them.

Then you got blanket banned by Delphi Forums for impersonation, inappropriate behaviour and posting banned content.

Now you pretend to be a political wannabe.

And worst of all, you create a clone insulting GMS and the name of Almighty God.

You stole temple donation money and the chief monk told you to fuck off!

You bashed your 80 y.o.father until bloody when he threw away your gay porn!

You called your mother LAUCHEEBYE when she reprimanded you for doing fuck all at home except prostituting yourself round-the-clock in cyberspace!

You also stole handphones and claimed that handphones waved at you!

You steal others forum password!

You tried to con a forummer's property!

You tried to con the same person to include your name in his will when he discovered you tried to con his property!

You cursed an old man at his death bed!

You tried to con laukwayboos but you end up only con some free makan!

You claim to be still a virgin but the truth is because you never use your lanjiao but enjoy having lanjiao!

You were exposed as a Changi Point bapok by respected forummers!

You bio young boys going home from school and masturbate while pretending to read newspaper!

You regularly make lewd prank calls to little children living in your block!

Be happy that you are the most ridiculed, most derided, most laughed at forummer here, for no one can imagine what bigger a failure in life you are in person.
 

kelingkia

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lanjiao sucking unemployed parasite old fart faggot fake monk PAP dog Bob Sim Kheng Hwee,

temple thief, swindler, fraudster, cheat, con-artist, liar, hypocrite, deceiver, betrayer, all rolled into one!

Illicit gay activities:

Penal Code Section 377A states, “Any male person who, in public or private, commits, or abets the commission of, or procures or attempts to procure the commission by any male person of, any act of gross indecency with another male person, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 2 years.”

Cheating:

Whoever, by deceiving any person, fraudulently or dishonestly induces the person so deceived to deliver any property to any person, or to consent that any person shall retain any property, or intentionally induces the person so deceived to do or omit to do anything which he or she would not do or omit if he or she were not so deceived, and which act or omission causes or is likely to cause damage or harm to that person in body, mind, reputation or property, is said to "cheat". For example, A cheats if he intentionally deceives Z into a belief that A means to repay any money that Z may lend to him when A does not intend to repay it, and thereby dishonestly induces Z to lend him money. Cheating is punished with imprisonment of up to one year, or a fine, or both.

Father bashing:

Voluntarily causing hurt – A person causes hurt when he or she causes bodily pain, disease or infirmity to any person. Whoever does any act with the intention of causing hurt to any person, or with the knowledge that he is likely to cause hurt to any person, and does cause hurt to any person, voluntarily causes hurt. The penalty for voluntarily causing hurt is imprisonment of up to one year, or a fine of up to S$1,000, or both.

Theft of Temple Funds:

Theft is committed when a person, intending to take dishonestly any movable property out of the possession of any person without that person’s consent, moves that property in order to effect the taking. The penalty for theft is imprisonment of up to three years, or a fine, or both. It is more common, however, for offenders to be charged with committing theft in a building, tent or vessel, which is used as a human dwelling, or for the custody of property. The penalty for this more serious offense is imprisonment of up to seven years, and also a fine.
 

kingrant

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So I see. 50 years of outsourcing yr mental capabilities to the PAP, you have become so clever as to teach us how to think. Fooled by the same rogues for 5 decades, you have gained infinite wisdom to save us from being fools of others? I'd rather be fooled by different people evry 5 years. That's called cross-fertilization of ideas. LKY tells you to fart, you fart.

50 years of PAP, and we're still having a govt no diff from some rogue african state - a govt by repression, by kangaroo courts, by a servile press. Even buffoons like you are becoming practised little LKYs, practising yr dog tricks: give yr opponents a bad label and then send yr attack dogs after them.

50 years on, we're still having an archaic ISA, shaky civic foundations, "dangerous" race and language issues simmering, an education system in tatters, a kiasu electoral system, cronies everywhere under the guise of meritocracy, family members not accountable for losing billions of tax payers money, runaway HDB prices, a fear of letting go.

But the day of reckoning is imminent. When that day comes, guillotining the likes of you in the marketplace will be too merciful. We shld let losers tear you from limb to limb.



By the same token, you've passion for licking TLH's balls, right? You are king rant not for nothing what. You're loser in this system and we all understand. Just like TLH. I always wonder when he and Francis Seow were doing so well under the system, why those issues they claimed to fight for did not exist. Only when they felled from grace did they suddenly become people's champion.

Who are you and your masters trying to kid?

In fact I delight to witness the misery they currently experience. I would have hit them harder if given the power. Of course, they can be dynasty changer. BUT, are they the chosen one? That's the most important question.

I rest my case.

:oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo:
 

jw5

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I don't agree with Tang that the non-English speaking citizens have been "unfairly discriminated against". In fact, there could actually be some cases where they have been given advantages, which some could argue are unfair as well.
But English is undeniably an international language of business and commerce and it is also the main language for education and business in SG. It is not the government's or anyone else's fault that some people who don't speak English have certain disadvantages. In fact there are quite a number of rich people in SG who don't speak English at all or don't speak English well.
Neither do I agree that Tang is a "Chinese chauvinist". There doesn't appear to be any hard evidence of this, other than some people claiming that he is.

As for Bob Sim and his enemies, why don't all of you go and settle your personal differences in a coffee shop outside of this forum?
 

kingrant

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I agree with you that what TLH had said and done was controversial and you will not be the last person to disagree with TLH. What is important is that we must allow plurality and diversity of views since we call ourselves a country with a democratic system. What we had was political thuggery that seeks out to destroy dissidents not just electorally, but financially, publicly and privately. It is a system over 50 years driven by one man's ego, megalomania, paranoia and vindictiveness into all spheres of life in Singapore. Whether TLH was right or wrong, there is room for arguments and the public will be the judge of that. When TLH & FS fought the elections, why couldnt our capable extraordinary PAP Minister MPs check and debunk them on their own, if indeed they were so deceitful? Or was it the personal quarrel of one old man who must have the last word? We inherited a healthy system of political diversity from the British only to have it corrupted and abused and manipulated into a one man's law system. Enough is enough.



I don't agree with Tang that the non-English speaking citizens have been "unfairly discriminated against". In fact, there could actually be some cases where they have been given advantages, which some could argue are unfair as well.
But English is undeniably an international language of business and commerce and it is also the main language for education and business in SG. It is not the government's or anyone else's fault that some people who don't speak English have certain disadvantages. In fact there are quite a number of rich people in SG who don't speak English at all or don't speak English well.
Neither do I agree that Tang is a "Chinese chauvinist". There doesn't appear to be any hard evidence of this, other than some people claiming that he is.

As for Bob Sim and his enemies, why don't all of you go and settle your personal differences in a coffee shop outside of this forum?
 

jw5

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I agree with you that what TLH had said and done was controversial and you will not be the last person to disagree with TLH. What is important is that we must allow plurality and diversity of views since we call ourselves a country with a democratic system. What we had was political thuggery that seeks out to destroy dissidents not just electorally, but financially, publicly and privately. It is a system over 50 years driven by one man's ego, megalomania, paranoia and vindictiveness into all spheres of life in Singapore. Whether TLH was right or wrong, there is room for arguments and the public will be the judge of that. When TLH & FS fought the elections, why couldnt our capable extraordinary PAP Minister MPs check and debunk them on their own, if indeed they were so deceitful? Or was it the personal quarrel of one old man who must have the last word? We inherited a healthy system of political diversity from the British only to have it corrupted and abused and manipulated into a one man's law system. Enough is enough.
Other than the things you mentioned, there are 2 other things about him which you did not highlight. Perhaps you would not agree just like many in this forum would not, but if you think calmly and rationally, you might actually agree with me.
Firstly, he is very clever. Secondly, he really believes that what he thinks, says and does is right, including the people he takes in and puts in certain positions. It's not as if he says something publicly, but in private, he says "hehehe, I know this fella is no good, but I promote him anyway." What he does and says, he really believes. That's what makes him so difficult to deal with.
Hence, knowing that your opponent is someone like that, the best method would be to be like Chaim and Low, and not like Seow, Tang, JBJ or even Chee. I really believe that if we had 10 people like Chiam and Low 20 years ago in parliament and perhaps 20 people like Chiam and Low in parliament 10 years ago, we would be much better off as a nation today. At least, the ordinary Singaporean citizen would be better off, not sure about the elites.
 

leetahbar

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where's TLH's wherebout now?

the last heard from him was in HK. then it was rumoured he had moved to oz.

is he a "wanted man" by the gov?

many could have emailed him b4 which he responded to encourage many to stand up for our political rights which is up to now is THE RIGHT TO VOTE.
 

kingrant

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No matter how many times he may have been right in the past, it still doesnt mean he will be right in the future. The past is no indication of the future. The stop at two is a very good example. There are other examples he has led us astray, the bilingual policy, his faux pas in his GIC investments etc. One can't be blinded by one's own rectitude, no matter how morally or logically or sincerely right one thinks one was or has been in the past. That is why plurality of opinions will always lead to better decisions. You shld read The Wisdom of crowds by James Surowiecki.



Firstly, he is very clever. Secondly, he really believes that what he thinks, says and does is right, including the people he takes in and puts in certain positions. It's not as if he says something publicly, but in private, he says "hehehe, I know this fella is no good, but I promote him anyway." What he does and says, he really believes. That's what makes him so difficult to deal with.
 

jw5

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No matter how many times he may have been right in the past, it still doesnt mean he will be right in the future. The past is no indication of the future. The stop at two is a very good example. There are other examples he has led us astray, the bilingual policy, his faux pas in his GIC investments etc. One can't be blinded by one's own rectitude, no matter how morally or logically or sincerely right one thinks one was or has been in the past. That is why plurality of opinions will always lead to better decisions. You shld read The Wisdom of crowds by James Surowiecki.
He is convinced that he is right, it doesn't mean that he is.
Of course, it doesn't mean that he isn't either.
The point is that when dealing with someone who is clever, powerful and with such strong convictions, the way to deal with him has to be the way that Chiam and Low have conducted themselves.
Then when there are enough people like Chiam and Low as opposition MPs in parliament, the government will have to be accountable to the people, whether they are convinced or not that they are right.
To go headon against him would just make him take out his figurative knuckle dusters and with a little help from his merry men, those headstrong opponents would just go into oblivion, not being of much use to the improvement of ordinary Singaporean lives.
 

kelingkia

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As for Bob Sim and his enemies, why don't all of you go and settle your personal differences in a coffee shop outside of this forum?

huh? you sure or not? the old faggot PAP dog where got lumparji !

got one time a forummer knock on his bedroom window and the old faggot ran and hide under his mother's sarong ... den he ask his mother to call mata chu some more!

i'm not his enemy lah but are you?
 

jw5

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huh? you sure or not? the old faggot PAP dog where got lumparji !

got one time a forummer knock on his bedroom window and the old faggot ran and hide under his mother's sarong ... den he ask his mother to call mata chu some more!

i'm not his enemy lah but are you?
I'm not, know nothing about him or his differences with some people here.
But if you are not his enemy, how do you know about the bedroom window incident?
Why don't you help arrange for the coffee shop meeting to resolve differences once and for all outside this forum?
 

kelingkia

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I'm not, know nothing .... But if you are not his enemy ....
Why don't you help ....

I'm not, know nothing about him or his differences with some people here.

okay since you know nothing about him, here's what best describe the old faggot PAP dog bob sim kheng hwee from a forum member:

http://forums.delphiforums.com/3in1kopitiam/messages?msg=27984.1

There was once upon a merry time
Appears a guy who did all kinds of crime
A master manipulator of feelings sublime
He likes to use his mouth to con a few dimes

But now of course he can cheat no more
Coz of the many times he kanna caught before
His honey tongue is fast becoming quite a bore
Everywhere he goes, he's shown out of the door

At first he will be friendly to see what you've got
Whether you have cars very fast or women very hot
Once he is sure that you definitely has a lot
He will put himself into your life by designing a plot

Then he will trick you into a friendship to start
By showing you he is a man with a very big heart
And he will display his potential in the literacy art
Which is fact is nothing more than meaningless fart

Day in day out, u will hear same old shit
Inane profanities that is devoid of wit
Religious topics he will try hard to fit
You can just tell he is nothing more than a twit

He goes to temples and churches, what a joke
The crappy life he's leading, just take a look
Nothing of substance only plenty of smoke
He is nothing more than a lazy useless bloke

A decent character and life is what he lacks
Spoke too much lies trying to turn white to black
This fat lazy ass should be hanged on the rack
For everyone in this forum to give a good tight whack

and here:http://www.sammyboy.com/showpost.php?p=473572&postcount=17


But if you are not his enemy, how do you know about the bedroom window incident?

the old faggot PAP dog bob sim kheng hwee is being monitored by the OA 24/7 incl the number kum-lanjiao sessions he participated on a regularly basis

Why don't you help arrange for the coffee shop meeting to resolve differences once and for all outside this forum?

why don't you? have you tried?
 

huahero

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Tang Liang Hong (邓亮洪) and Francis Seow (萧添寿) are two classic examples why parents discourage their children to involve in Politics.

I guess both of them will never step foot on Singapore unless there is a regime change.
 

leetahbar

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I'm not, know nothing about him or his differences with some people here.
But if you are not his enemy, how do you know about the bedroom window incident?
Why don't you help arrange for the coffee shop meeting to resolve differences once and for all outside this forum?

the reason for his misery - and everyone's else here is ATTACHMENT TO ANGER. if u ask him why, he doesn't know. if he knows WHY, every petty resentment would have been resolved and laughed it away.

do i know him or does he know me.....only the forms he created and the emptiness he feels fuel his foolish anger and miserable pettiness.
 
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