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Shameless UK still no return all the stolen & robbed antiques from China and Asia back to the original country owners

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UK to return artwork stolen by Nazis to Jewish family​

UK to return artwork stolen by Nazis to Jewish family

Aeneas and his Family Fleeing Burning Troy painting by Henry Gibbs, 1654, is seen in this handout image obtained by Reuters on March 28, 2025.
PHOTO: Tate via Reuters
PUBLISHED ON March 29, 2025 10:36 AM

LONDON — A 17th-century painting looted by the Nazis in 1940 from a Jewish art collector in Belgium will be returned to his descendants after spending three decades in a London gallery, the British government said on Saturday (March 29).

Samuel Hartveld and his wife were among those escaping Nazi persecution when they left Antwerp, leaving behind a number of belongings including the oil-on-canvas work Aeneas and his Family Fleeing Burning Troy.

But, following a review by a British advisory body that looks into claims of Nazi theft, the government ordered the painting to be returned to Hartveld's heirs and great-grandchildren.

The 1654 artwork by English painter Henry Gibbs depicts the mythological story of Aeneas, a Trojan hero, escaping with his family after the Greeks invade Troy using the trickery of the Trojan Horse.

Bought by London's Tate Britain gallery in 1994, the painting will change hands once again after the independent Spoliation Advisory Panel approved its repatriation following a review that began last May.

The 10-member panel was set up in 2000 to consider claims from anyone of lost cultural property during the Nazi era that is now in a British public collection.

"The property, library and the paintings in (Hartveld's) gallery were looted as an act of racial persecution," the panel said in its recommendation, adding that the legal and moral arguments for returning the painting were "obvious".

A 2009 law allows British institutions to return objects related to the Holocaust and the Nazi era, if the arts minister agrees with the panel's recommendation.

But other laws forbid Britain's biggest museums from permanently returning objects, many of which have long faced foreign repatriation demands on the grounds they were looted or forcibly taken during British colonial rule.
 
eatshitndie said:
may return some to taiwan instead of tiongcock?
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Better for the poms to keep it...it's theirs anyway...if give to chicons..it will just get smashed

Surviving the Cultural Revolution: The Preservation of Chinese Antique Furniture
Surviving the Cultural Revolution: The Preservation of Chinese Antique Furniture
The tumultuous decade of China's Cultural Revolution (1966-1976) not only brought about massive destruction and alteration of Chinese cultural traditions, but of China’s antiquities as well. Whilst the Cultural Revolution’s aim was to wipe out the old, some antiques did survive this troubled period. This was often due to ingenious alterations aligning them with Revolutionary ideals or fortuitous circumstances sparing them from ruin. This complex legacy continues to intrigue historians and collectors today.

Altering Furniture to Accommodate New Ideals
During the Cultural Revolution in China, few historical sites or artefacts remained unscathed from the rampages of the Red Guards. In their zeal to eradicate symbols of China's feudal past, the youth destroyed religious shrines, libraries, monuments and tombs across the country. Even Beijing's famous Forbidden City barely escaped damage. One tragic case was the Ming Dynasty tomb of Emperor Wan Li, which was ransacked and burned, the remains of the emperor and empress denounced in public spectacle.

Red Guard Cultural Revolution
Many other imperial tombs suffered similar fates. According to one account, of the thousands of historically significant sites catalogued in Beijing before the Revolution, over two-thirds were severely damaged or demolished as collateral damage. With fanatical disregard for preserving China's cultural inheritance, the Red Guards left deep scars on the historical landscape. Their legacy was the squandering of antiquities which had endured centuries of dynastic change only to face eradication in a storm of revolutionary fervour.

Much furniture, Chinese literature, ancestor paintings and scrolls were destroyed, defaced or burnt as firewood during the Revolution's campaign against the "Four Olds” – old customs, old culture, old habits, and old ideas. Carvings and paintings depicting scenes from traditional stories were especially prone to the ideological destruction of the Red Guards. Characters depicted in paintings on furniture would be defaced or hacked away altogether or, perhaps where time was limited, have their eyes scratched off. However, some pieces of furniture were spared by incorporating imagery and slogans aligning with Maoist propaganda, or by quickly refinishing them - disguising them as more modern, less valuable items.
Red Lacquer Shanxi Cabinet
Qing dynasty rosewood chairs and tables, for example, often feature carved dragons, an imperial symbol. During the Revolution, artisans transformed symbols such as dragons into carvings of pigs, representing peasants and the working class now elevated under Communism. Other furniture pieces were carved or painted over to display more “on message” sayings such as “Long live Chairman Mao” or to show imagery of soldiers, workers, and peasants to reflect the new sociopolitical landscape. The red lacquer shown cabinet here was altered, with bold new characters painted over the surface that essentially translate as "Protect The Homeland" - a nationalist slogan that was obviously enough to save the cabinet from the furnace. Alterations like these ensured that some antiquities survived despite their “bourgeois” roots.

Geographic and Functional Factors Enabling Preservation
Geography and functionality also allowed the preservation of certain Chinese furniture types. The need for steel to progress industrial development during this period meant that whilst also burning around 10 percent of China’s forests to stoke the furnaces, many workers resorted to burning doors, window frames and furniture in ‘backyard’ furnaces to smelt steel. Interestingly, Shanxi province’s renown for coal mining meant less reliance on burning wooden furniture for fuel, so cities like Pingyao managed to retain a relatively high proportion of Shanxi-style campaign furniture. The simplicity and portable nature of such pieces also made them less overt symbols of the privilege and excess targeted in the Revolution. Their practicality for ordinary Chinese citizens spared them from demolition.

Whether you already love the unique charm of Chinese antique Shanxi furniture or have only just discovered these beautiful pieces and their interesting history, you’ll find that our range of antique furniture includes an ever-changing selection of items from the region, including colourful examples of the famous Shanxi painted furniture.

Cultural Revolution
Hidden Away Until Political Winds Changed
Beyond furniture altered to accommodate the new ideological climate, some Chinese antiques endured simply by being hidden away. Many elite families concealed furniture in attics, storerooms, or even soaked in wells covered with wood planking and fabric. After the political zeal of the 1960s faded, they returned these pieces to their homes. The secrecy of these activities leaves a mystery as to how many antiques remain undiscovered in hiding spots even today. Stories persist of furniture uncovered decades later with strains of fabric still adhered to their surfaces from their concealment during those volatile years.

Shimu's Discerning Selection and Meticulous Restoration Process
At Shimu we go beyond merely reselling antique Chinese furniture. We take great care to select pieces that meet our high standards, before meticulously restoring them for contemporary use. We work with a team of experienced antiques specialists in China who carefully hand-pick items which demonstrate fine craftsmanship and materials as well as having compelling historical significance. We source items from across China, establishing relationships with long-time collectors and restorers to access special pieces not available elsewhere.

Once selected, items undergo a multi-step restoration process carried out by skilled craftsmen. If required but only if absolutely necessary, a piece will be disassembled to repair structural damage and cleaned with a wire brush to remove surface grime. It will then be reassembled with new joinery if required, using the traditional wooden joints used in Chinese furniture making for centuries. Where restoration has been deemed necessary, it is carried out with the aim of maintaining the original patina of the piece if possible and to ensure that none of the unique charm is lost. In addition, the restorer will sometimes make minor alterations to ensure antique furniture items are suitable for use in contemporary homes, making adjustments to improve their practicality; one such example is the addition of internal shelves.

Shimu's Range of Historic Chinese Furniture
At Shimu we offer a wide selection of carefully selected antique Chinese furniture that survived the Cultural Revolution through alteration, fortunate placement, or concealment. From Ming dynasty style altar tables to Qing dynasty horseshoe-back chairs, our offerings span many styles and provinces. Each piece’s unique story gives additional insight into China’s cultural legacy. When you purchase from Shimu’s catalogue of antique Chinese furniture, you invest not just in finely crafted furnishings, but also in preserving the hard-won survival of China’s artistic heritage through even its most troubling eras.
 
Hypocrite-The said:
Better for the poms to keep it...it's theirs anyway...if give to chicons..it will just get smashed

Surviving the Cultural Revolution: The Preservation of Chinese Antique Furniture
Surviving the Cultural Revolution: The Preservation of Chinese Antique Furniture
The tumultuous decade of China's Cultural Revolution (1966-1976) not only brought about massive destruction and alteration of Chinese cultural traditions, but of China’s antiquities as well. Whilst the Cultural Revolution’s aim was to wipe out the old, some antiques did survive this troubled period. This was often due to ingenious alterations aligning them with Revolutionary ideals or fortuitous circumstances sparing them from ruin. This complex legacy continues to intrigue historians and collectors today.

Altering Furniture to Accommodate New Ideals
During the Cultural Revolution in China, few historical sites or artefacts remained unscathed from the rampages of the Red Guards. In their zeal to eradicate symbols of China's feudal past, the youth destroyed religious shrines, libraries, monuments and tombs across the country. Even Beijing's famous Forbidden City barely escaped damage. One tragic case was the Ming Dynasty tomb of Emperor Wan Li, which was ransacked and burned, the remains of the emperor and empress denounced in public spectacle.

Red Guard Cultural Revolution
Many other imperial tombs suffered similar fates. According to one account, of the thousands of historically significant sites catalogued in Beijing before the Revolution, over two-thirds were severely damaged or demolished as collateral damage. With fanatical disregard for preserving China's cultural inheritance, the Red Guards left deep scars on the historical landscape. Their legacy was the squandering of antiquities which had endured centuries of dynastic change only to face eradication in a storm of revolutionary fervour.

Much furniture, Chinese literature, ancestor paintings and scrolls were destroyed, defaced or burnt as firewood during the Revolution's campaign against the "Four Olds” – old customs, old culture, old habits, and old ideas. Carvings and paintings depicting scenes from traditional stories were especially prone to the ideological destruction of the Red Guards. Characters depicted in paintings on furniture would be defaced or hacked away altogether or, perhaps where time was limited, have their eyes scratched off. However, some pieces of furniture were spared by incorporating imagery and slogans aligning with Maoist propaganda, or by quickly refinishing them - disguising them as more modern, less valuable items.
Red Lacquer Shanxi Cabinet
Qing dynasty rosewood chairs and tables, for example, often feature carved dragons, an imperial symbol. During the Revolution, artisans transformed symbols such as dragons into carvings of pigs, representing peasants and the working class now elevated under Communism. Other furniture pieces were carved or painted over to display more “on message” sayings such as “Long live Chairman Mao” or to show imagery of soldiers, workers, and peasants to reflect the new sociopolitical landscape. The red lacquer shown cabinet here was altered, with bold new characters painted over the surface that essentially translate as "Protect The Homeland" - a nationalist slogan that was obviously enough to save the cabinet from the furnace. Alterations like these ensured that some antiquities survived despite their “bourgeois” roots.

Geographic and Functional Factors Enabling Preservation
Geography and functionality also allowed the preservation of certain Chinese furniture types. The need for steel to progress industrial development during this period meant that whilst also burning around 10 percent of China’s forests to stoke the furnaces, many workers resorted to burning doors, window frames and furniture in ‘backyard’ furnaces to smelt steel. Interestingly, Shanxi province’s renown for coal mining meant less reliance on burning wooden furniture for fuel, so cities like Pingyao managed to retain a relatively high proportion of Shanxi-style campaign furniture. The simplicity and portable nature of such pieces also made them less overt symbols of the privilege and excess targeted in the Revolution. Their practicality for ordinary Chinese citizens spared them from demolition.

Whether you already love the unique charm of Chinese antique Shanxi furniture or have only just discovered these beautiful pieces and their interesting history, you’ll find that our range of antique furniture includes an ever-changing selection of items from the region, including colourful examples of the famous Shanxi painted furniture.

Cultural Revolution
Hidden Away Until Political Winds Changed
Beyond furniture altered to accommodate the new ideological climate, some Chinese antiques endured simply by being hidden away. Many elite families concealed furniture in attics, storerooms, or even soaked in wells covered with wood planking and fabric. After the political zeal of the 1960s faded, they returned these pieces to their homes. The secrecy of these activities leaves a mystery as to how many antiques remain undiscovered in hiding spots even today. Stories persist of furniture uncovered decades later with strains of fabric still adhered to their surfaces from their concealment during those volatile years.

Shimu's Discerning Selection and Meticulous Restoration Process
At Shimu we go beyond merely reselling antique Chinese furniture. We take great care to select pieces that meet our high standards, before meticulously restoring them for contemporary use. We work with a team of experienced antiques specialists in China who carefully hand-pick items which demonstrate fine craftsmanship and materials as well as having compelling historical significance. We source items from across China, establishing relationships with long-time collectors and restorers to access special pieces not available elsewhere.

Once selected, items undergo a multi-step restoration process carried out by skilled craftsmen. If required but only if absolutely necessary, a piece will be disassembled to repair structural damage and cleaned with a wire brush to remove surface grime. It will then be reassembled with new joinery if required, using the traditional wooden joints used in Chinese furniture making for centuries. Where restoration has been deemed necessary, it is carried out with the aim of maintaining the original patina of the piece if possible and to ensure that none of the unique charm is lost. In addition, the restorer will sometimes make minor alterations to ensure antique furniture items are suitable for use in contemporary homes, making adjustments to improve their practicality; one such example is the addition of internal shelves.

Shimu's Range of Historic Chinese Furniture
At Shimu we offer a wide selection of carefully selected antique Chinese furniture that survived the Cultural Revolution through alteration, fortunate placement, or concealment. From Ming dynasty style altar tables to Qing dynasty horseshoe-back chairs, our offerings span many styles and provinces. Each piece’s unique story gives additional insight into China’s cultural legacy. When you purchase from Shimu’s catalogue of antique Chinese furniture, you invest not just in finely crafted furnishings, but also in preserving the hard-won survival of China’s artistic heritage through even its most troubling eras.
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stupid commies scraped off all the beautiful and colorful carvings on ceiling cross beams along the covered walkway leading to the summer palace by the lake in beijing. after deng took over he ordered a full restoration of those invaluable artwork. the newly restored artwork was never as good as the original. xia xuay xi doesn’t know much about sino culture and history. all he knows about art are the revolutionary folk songs sung by his wife. “kill the capitalists and landlords, confiscate their properties and money, spread the wealth among peasants and workers.” what a moron.
 
Only the Jews get their seized and stolen goods back.
The rest of us do not get same treatment.
And only the Jews can seize and claim someone's property as theirs. And destroy blatantly their neighbours properties with no repercussion.
 
eatshitndie said:
stupid commies scraped off all the beautiful and colorful carvings on ceiling cross beams along the covered walkway leading to the summer palace by the lake in beijing. after deng took over he ordered a full restoration of those invaluable artwork. the newly restored artwork was never as good as the original. xia xuay xi doesn’t know much about sino culture and history. all he knows about art are the revolutionary folk songs sung by his wife. “kill the capitalists and landlords, confiscate their properties and money, spread the wealth among peasants and workers.” what a moron.
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Tat why i am all for
The poms keeping these cina antiques
 
once you lose it, you don't deserve to have it back. Its like virginity. Can you demand the guy who deflower you to return your virginity?
 
red amoeba said:
once you lose it, you don't deserve to have it back. Its like virginity. Can you demand the guy who deflower you to return your virginity?
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ccp can do reconstructive surgery to restore hymen, threaten guy with thugs, and demand reflowering process by spreading legs but pointing a gun.
 
If not for the angmohs, most of those cultural antiques would have been destroyed by the warlords or the communists in China. :rolleyes:

And looking at how things are unfolding in China now, better take some of that stuff out of China and safekeep them in a civilized country. :cool:
 
The Brits are still strutting around like the are still a naval superpower boss. Thought the empire has already set long long ago. lol
 
KuanTi01 said:
The Brits are still strutting around like the are still a naval superpower boss. Thought the empire has already set long long ago. lol
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tiongcock still not considered superpower unless she fights a world war and beats all rival cuntries to win it. just hope it doesn’t happen as it will be a massacre of tiongs.
 
WangChuk said:
Brits got raid and take from taiwan in history? not USA meh? :whistling:
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brits more likely stole from qing dynasty during opium wars and boxer rebellion. they together with 6.9 other nations (8-nation alliance) defeated the qing army and boxer militia in tianjin and marched into beijing plus the imperial palace and plundered the whole city and took many treasures. most of those treasures would have been taken by the kmt to taiwan after ww2 when they were defeated by ccp but they got kapok by british imperialists.
 
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Hypocrite-The said:
Better for the poms to keep it...it's theirs anyway...if give to chicons..it will just get smashed

Surviving the Cultural Revolution: The Preservation of Chinese Antique Furniture
Surviving the Cultural Revolution: The Preservation of Chinese Antique Furniture
The tumultuous decade of China's Cultural Revolution (1966-1976) not only brought about massive destruction and alteration of Chinese cultural traditions, but of China’s antiquities as well. Whilst the Cultural Revolution’s aim was to wipe out the old, some antiques did survive this troubled period. This was often due to ingenious alterations aligning them with Revolutionary ideals or fortuitous circumstances sparing them from ruin. This complex legacy continues to intrigue historians and collectors today.

Altering Furniture to Accommodate New Ideals
During the Cultural Revolution in China, few historical sites or artefacts remained unscathed from the rampages of the Red Guards. In their zeal to eradicate symbols of China's feudal past, the youth destroyed religious shrines, libraries, monuments and tombs across the country. Even Beijing's famous Forbidden City barely escaped damage. One tragic case was the Ming Dynasty tomb of Emperor Wan Li, which was ransacked and burned, the remains of the emperor and empress denounced in public spectacle.

Red Guard Cultural Revolution
Many other imperial tombs suffered similar fates. According to one account, of the thousands of historically significant sites catalogued in Beijing before the Revolution, over two-thirds were severely damaged or demolished as collateral damage. With fanatical disregard for preserving China's cultural inheritance, the Red Guards left deep scars on the historical landscape. Their legacy was the squandering of antiquities which had endured centuries of dynastic change only to face eradication in a storm of revolutionary fervour.

Much furniture, Chinese literature, ancestor paintings and scrolls were destroyed, defaced or burnt as firewood during the Revolution's campaign against the "Four Olds” – old customs, old culture, old habits, and old ideas. Carvings and paintings depicting scenes from traditional stories were especially prone to the ideological destruction of the Red Guards. Characters depicted in paintings on furniture would be defaced or hacked away altogether or, perhaps where time was limited, have their eyes scratched off. However, some pieces of furniture were spared by incorporating imagery and slogans aligning with Maoist propaganda, or by quickly refinishing them - disguising them as more modern, less valuable items.
Red Lacquer Shanxi Cabinet
Qing dynasty rosewood chairs and tables, for example, often feature carved dragons, an imperial symbol. During the Revolution, artisans transformed symbols such as dragons into carvings of pigs, representing peasants and the working class now elevated under Communism. Other furniture pieces were carved or painted over to display more “on message” sayings such as “Long live Chairman Mao” or to show imagery of soldiers, workers, and peasants to reflect the new sociopolitical landscape. The red lacquer shown cabinet here was altered, with bold new characters painted over the surface that essentially translate as "Protect The Homeland" - a nationalist slogan that was obviously enough to save the cabinet from the furnace. Alterations like these ensured that some antiquities survived despite their “bourgeois” roots.

Geographic and Functional Factors Enabling Preservation
Geography and functionality also allowed the preservation of certain Chinese furniture types. The need for steel to progress industrial development during this period meant that whilst also burning around 10 percent of China’s forests to stoke the furnaces, many workers resorted to burning doors, window frames and furniture in ‘backyard’ furnaces to smelt steel. Interestingly, Shanxi province’s renown for coal mining meant less reliance on burning wooden furniture for fuel, so cities like Pingyao managed to retain a relatively high proportion of Shanxi-style campaign furniture. The simplicity and portable nature of such pieces also made them less overt symbols of the privilege and excess targeted in the Revolution. Their practicality for ordinary Chinese citizens spared them from demolition.

Whether you already love the unique charm of Chinese antique Shanxi furniture or have only just discovered these beautiful pieces and their interesting history, you’ll find that our range of antique furniture includes an ever-changing selection of items from the region, including colourful examples of the famous Shanxi painted furniture.

Cultural Revolution
Hidden Away Until Political Winds Changed
Beyond furniture altered to accommodate the new ideological climate, some Chinese antiques endured simply by being hidden away. Many elite families concealed furniture in attics, storerooms, or even soaked in wells covered with wood planking and fabric. After the political zeal of the 1960s faded, they returned these pieces to their homes. The secrecy of these activities leaves a mystery as to how many antiques remain undiscovered in hiding spots even today. Stories persist of furniture uncovered decades later with strains of fabric still adhered to their surfaces from their concealment during those volatile years.

Shimu's Discerning Selection and Meticulous Restoration Process
At Shimu we go beyond merely reselling antique Chinese furniture. We take great care to select pieces that meet our high standards, before meticulously restoring them for contemporary use. We work with a team of experienced antiques specialists in China who carefully hand-pick items which demonstrate fine craftsmanship and materials as well as having compelling historical significance. We source items from across China, establishing relationships with long-time collectors and restorers to access special pieces not available elsewhere.

Once selected, items undergo a multi-step restoration process carried out by skilled craftsmen. If required but only if absolutely necessary, a piece will be disassembled to repair structural damage and cleaned with a wire brush to remove surface grime. It will then be reassembled with new joinery if required, using the traditional wooden joints used in Chinese furniture making for centuries. Where restoration has been deemed necessary, it is carried out with the aim of maintaining the original patina of the piece if possible and to ensure that none of the unique charm is lost. In addition, the restorer will sometimes make minor alterations to ensure antique furniture items are suitable for use in contemporary homes, making adjustments to improve their practicality; one such example is the addition of internal shelves.

Shimu's Range of Historic Chinese Furniture
At Shimu we offer a wide selection of carefully selected antique Chinese furniture that survived the Cultural Revolution through alteration, fortunate placement, or concealment. From Ming dynasty style altar tables to Qing dynasty horseshoe-back chairs, our offerings span many styles and provinces. Each piece’s unique story gives additional insight into China’s cultural legacy. When you purchase from Shimu’s catalogue of antique Chinese furniture, you invest not just in finely crafted furnishings, but also in preserving the hard-won survival of China’s artistic heritage through even its most troubling eras.
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probably right.
 
eatshitndie said:
stupid commies scraped off all the beautiful and colorful carvings on ceiling cross beams along the covered walkway leading to the summer palace by the lake in beijing. after deng took over he ordered a full restoration of those invaluable artwork. the newly restored artwork was never as good as the original. xia xuay xi doesn’t know much about sino culture and history. all he knows about art are the revolutionary folk songs sung by his wife. “kill the capitalists and landlords, confiscate their properties and money, spread the wealth among peasants and workers.” what a moron.
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deng was the only half good commie. a commie by definition is an insanely jealous, vengeful brute. Jealous and vengeful because the rest of the world can succeed by work.
 
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