Tan Jee Say and Tan Cheng Bock in Talks

[ChaoPappyPoodle]

Agree with a number of your points. They should not contest this along Shanmugam's conceived boundaries, but up the ante as you have pointed out. TCB better start moving quickly.

Apologies for my lack of courtesy but the three so-called EP candidates outside of the scandal-marked TT are no different from the layperson.

All they do is to look at the shit on the fan that is flying all over the room and complain that the air smells of shit and that very likely shit may have hit on a number of people that they have yet to know or do not know. But the sheer expanse, volume and smell of the shit must mean that someone must be suffering.

What a bunch of twits!

Look at the bloody source, the cause of the problem. The root cause! It's evident and evidenced that the free trade agreements (or whatever the PAPzis want to call it) with China, India and Philippines include clauses that allow their nationals to come to work in Singapore with very little hindrance. The trade agreements are far from free because these have economically imprisoned and emaciated thousands of Singaporeans to live a life much less that their full potential as they have to fight against unscrupulous HR agents, paying for jobs by foreign workers, free from CPF contributions and all the while feeding into the frenzy that ever so quickly increases the demand and hence the cost for housing. All these leads to a higher GDP and even more higher bonuses for the PAPzis.
It is all so very clear. I wish I had an hour or two with these people. But they cant be so dumb or can they????

1) Check on the free trade agreements and to put a stop to the free-flow of cheap and largely unnecessary foreign labour as a result of these trade agreements.
2) Question on the abilities of each and every cabinet minister on their experience and ability to be ministers in their respective ministries.
3) Question on the $15k per month for MPs based on the fact that they are not fulltime MPs and how the salary for MPs can be based on whether they are fulltime or parttime MPs (push the shit to Gerald Ee)
4) Question on the moral obligation of the HDB and how they are adamant to charge higher than the cost of building a flat to low and middle income Singaporeans and then use the proceeds towards the Reserves.
5) Question on the moral attributes of the HDB to not fully disclose the cost of building HDB flats
6) QUestion on the reasons why the CPF is being withheld from Singaporeans based on the original age of 55
7) Question why the Reserves have been used so sparingly on Singaporeans all these years
8) Question why new citizens and PRs have not been brought into the country's training for civil defence? 1 out of 2 adults living in Singapore are foreigners. Why are they not inculcated on civil defence procedures.

The list goes on but these are more than sufficient to set the agenda for TT and the PAPzis. These issues should have been brought up to the front in GE2011 but not a single person brought the issue up.

All the talk about is that there is shit on the fan. But why is the question that is often failed by Singaporeans. Dear Singaporeans, the next time someone says no, please ask why? Why is one of the most powerful words in communications. Use it more and especially when you are dealing with the PAPzis.

 

[scroobal]

Agree with you bro.

I would disagree with you here. I've met both TCB (as a patient) and TT (as an NSMan as well as in discussion fora). TCB always came across as warm, caring and interested. And it was not confined to medical matters. He'd also try to seek feedback on matters of concern when he felt I was not too ill to respond - I saw him for the usual flu, food poisoning, etc. I actually once told him that I was a default opposition voter and that I hope he'd not run in my constituency because I'd then have difficulty deciding. He laughed but also seemed to realize there was a very serious side to what I had said.

TT on the other hand was cold and could not engage me, except intellectually. And he was superbly intelligent. His presence also did not provide reassurance or comfort. To me, he'd never be able to help to foster diplomatic ties with other countries, or create a emotional bond to unite a country in times of crisis. And because he was /is so close to the GIC, he would never do the other task, i.e., be its 'auditor'.

 

[scroobal]

Its difficult for people to separate what is good and what needs to be addressed. As a habit we rely on the state controlled press. It will take a while before these chaps get the picture.

The big picture seems to elude them.

The list goes on but these are more than sufficient to set the agenda for TT and the PAPzis. These issues should have been brought up to the front in GE2011 but not a single person brought the issue up.

All the talk about is that there is shit on the fan. But why is the question that is often failed by Singaporeans. Dear Singaporeans, the next time someone says no, please ask why? Why is one of the most powerful words in communications. Use it more and especially when you are dealing with the PAPzis.

 

[steffychun]

Maybe they want to share the Presidency. You take had the term I take the other half. Or one is Vice Pres (Biden) the other is Pres.

Why not have two Presidents? At least then its not just one keyholder to the reserves.

*half i meant

 

[steffychun]

You guys vote Tan Jee Say in, he wont get a state funeral for sure. Or OTC's "state-assisted funeral"

 

[HTOLAS]

You are assuming the PAPzis would still be in power when that happens.

You guys vote Tan Jee Say in, he wont get a state funeral for sure. Or OTC's "state-assisted funeral"

 

[Defennder]

What scroobal said is plausible. TJS and TCB are old friends. At least this is what the May 2011 issue of SMA said here:

http://news.sma.org.sg/4305/Feature.pdf

Scroll to the last page. Also read the text. I have no idea when they first became friends though.

 

[jw5]

I have no idea when they first became friends though.

According to scroobal, it was when TJS was PPS to GCT, who is of course an old classmate of TCB.

And also colleague and boss of TT and TKL was his ward branch manager at one time.

GCT = 4 degrees of seperation.

 

[ChaoPappyPoodle]

Its difficult for people to separate what is good and what needs to be addressed. As a habit we rely on the state controlled press. It will take a while before these chaps get the picture.

The big picture seems to elude them.

It's not a case of whether they have the big picture, seen a smaller picture, seen anything closely resembling a picture or do they even know what a picture looks like. It is a simple case of KNOWING the real issues and having a MIND and some common decency to ask WHY and then to head out to find the answers.

We have 3 idiots and a congenital liar running for the post of EP. This is the highest elected political post in the entire world and yet we are shortchanged by these numbskulls!

All four are idiots of the highest order! For those three who talk so much but yet do not know the cause of the problems speaks volumes of the PAP. All four are connected to the PAPzis and they have PAPzi minds and have been indoctrinated with scum into their minds that the only thing they see is the literal scum from the PAPzis or some related scum coming from their PAPzi imbued brain!

All four are a bunch of useless scums to Singaporeans, to humanity and unto themselves! That is the truth! What a travesty of the human mind and of Singaporeans that we have to live with such idiots who think that they have caressed the balls of the PAPzis that they deem themselves fit to be the hightest paid politician in the entire world. If I as a mere average Singaporean can see the cause and yet these presidential nominees cannot then there is something wrong with all four of them.

PTUI!!! KNNPCB!!!!

Look at the trade agreements you fucking idiots!!!!!

 

[sharingan83]

Apologies for my lack of courtesy but the three so-called EP candidates outside of the scandal-marked TT are no different from the layperson.

All they do is to look at the shit on the fan that is flying all over the room and complain that the air smells of shit and that very likely shit may have hit on a number of people that they have yet to know or do not know. But the sheer expanse, volume and smell of the shit must mean that someone must be suffering.

What a bunch of twits!

Look at the bloody source, the cause of the problem. The root cause! It's evident and evidenced that the free trade agreements (or whatever the PAPzis want to call it) with China, India and Philippines include clauses that allow their nationals to come to work in Singapore with very little hindrance. The trade agreements are far from free because these have economically imprisoned and emaciated thousands of Singaporeans to live a life much less that their full potential as they have to fight against unscrupulous HR agents, paying for jobs by foreign workers, free from CPF contributions and all the while feeding into the frenzy that ever so quickly increases the demand and hence the cost for housing. All these leads to a higher GDP and even more higher bonuses for the PAPzis.
It is all so very clear. I wish I had an hour or two with these people. But they cant be so dumb or can they????

1) Check on the free trade agreements and to put a stop to the free-flow of cheap and largely unnecessary foreign labour as a result of these trade agreements.
2) Question on the abilities of each and every cabinet minister on their experience and ability to be ministers in their respective ministries.
3) Question on the $15k per month for MPs based on the fact that they are not fulltime MPs and how the salary for MPs can be based on whether they are fulltime or parttime MPs (push the shit to Gerald Ee)
4) Question on the moral obligation of the HDB and how they are adamant to charge higher than the cost of building a flat to low and middle income Singaporeans and then use the proceeds towards the Reserves.
5) Question on the moral attributes of the HDB to not fully disclose the cost of building HDB flats
6) QUestion on the reasons why the CPF is being withheld from Singaporeans based on the original age of 55
7) Question why the Reserves have been used so sparingly on Singaporeans all these years
8) Question why new citizens and PRs have not been brought into the country's training for civil defence? 1 out of 2 adults living in Singapore are foreigners. Why are they not inculcated on civil defence procedures.

The list goes on but these are more than sufficient to set the agenda for TT and the PAPzis. These issues should have been brought up to the front in GE2011 but not a single person brought the issue up.

All the talk about is that there is shit on the fan. But why is the question that is often failed by Singaporeans. Dear Singaporeans, the next time someone says no, please ask why? Why is one of the most powerful words in communications. Use it more and especially when you are dealing with the PAPzis.

I would like to read more about the FTA. Do you have a good link to share?

 

[steffychun]

I would like to read more about the FTA. Do you have a good link to share?

google Singapore FTA

 

[scroobal]

Thanks bro. That is exactly the connection. GCT and his PPS was running interference for TCB. Old man and WKS got mad. It should be known that TJS ran two terms as PPS which is unusual but shows that there is indeed some bond.

According to scroobal, it was when TJS was PPS to GCT, who is of course an old classmate of TCB.And also colleague and boss of TT and TKL was his ward branch manager at one time.GCT = 4 degrees of seperation.

 

[scroobal]

Update

Ball in TJS court. May end up in TT vs TCB.

 

[MightyMouse]

Update

Ball in TJS court. May end up in TT vs TCB.

Hope that is the case....

If TJS go in, all his efforts to raise his political profile would have gone to waste. He will take the blame if TT wins by less than 50% and TCB wins more votes than him.

Anyway, election preparations in TCB's camp in full swing. Support coming from all age group and races. Great to see genuine volunteers coming in to help out without any agenda.

 

[scroobal]

TJS is smart and reasonable and there is no way that he going to give up all his credits earned and be labelled "Ralph Nader ". The sensitivity is due to the fact that TJS wants to help but TCB wants to keep things at arms length fearing that SDP will come in a huge way. Let's watch and see.

Hope that is the case....If TJS go in, all his efforts to raise his political profile would have gone to waste. He will take the blame if TT wins by less than 50% and TCB wins more votes than him.Anyway, election preparations in TCB's camp in full swing. Support coming from all age group and races. Great to see genuine volunteers coming in to help out without any agenda.

 

[Varuna]

Update

Ball in TJS court. May end up in TT vs TCB.

How about TKL? How are they going to engage him to take the deal. Kept getting mixed signals from him through the press. I bet TT backers and their machineries would desire a 3 corner at least.

 

[MightyMouse]

How about TKL? How are they going to engage him to take the deal. Kept getting mixed signals from him through the press. I bet TT backers and their machineries would desire a 3 corner at least.

TKL in the fight will make the fight even closer than it is, but it would still be possible to eke out a win (of course the election campaign will still play a significant part especially the televised sections as well as unexpected bonuses like the "Thumbs-Up Handshake").

 

[scroobal]

No idea and I suspect most people are also getting mixed signals. It will be difficult for him as he has collected public and it adds alot of complexity. I think from the press reports, his team is also determined to carry on. On a personal note, I think that he will withdraw. Nothing to do with avoiding splitting the votes but avoid a possible drubbing.

Personally I think TKL and TJS approach is more in line with GE and not PE. TCB has gone thru that phase and approaching it very differently.

How about TKL? How are they going to engage him to take the deal. Kept getting mixed signals from him through the press. I bet TT backers and their machineries would desire a 3 corner at least.

 

[Nik1971]

No idea and I suspect most people are also getting mixed signals. It will be difficult for him as he has collected public and it adds alot of complexity. I think from the press reports, his team is also determined to carry on. On a personal note, I think that he will withdraw. Nothing to do with avoiding splitting the votes but avoid a possible drubbing.

Personally I think TKL and TJS approach is more in line with GE and not PE. TCB has gone thru that phase and approaching it very differently.

you know nothing.

TCB has grassroots support. he is been around long time. Many town councils workers and cc are his former proteges including a TC chairman. He is formidable. he already planned his campaign since 2006. His people are in place.

 

[kukubird58]

hahaha......i am surprised that such BS headline thread can go on for 8 pages.....
don't be surprised that somebody is just pulling your legs.