Reminder: The European stole the Chinese world map and compass from Ming Dynasty in 15th century...to sail round the world...

[tanwahtiu]

...... so called to discover the world.....

No world map and compass invented by China, how to sail round the world and can return back to Europe.... uhhhh....

It was after the invention of compass, the Chinese decided to sail round the earth and map the earth landscapes.... the world map was born....

When narratives of Europe 15th Century story was written by White trash Europeans you know they are liar bastards....

fucking insidious white trash liars ungrateful to China and Chinese today.... 不知死 该被打 要你的命

 

[Hypocrite-The]

The chinks sure are incompetent to get stuff stolen by the ang mors

 

[nightsafari]

...... so called to discover the world.....

No world map and compass invented by China, how to sail round the world and can return back to Europe.... uhhhh....

It was after the invention of compass, the Chinese decided to sail round the earth and map the earth landscapes.... the world map was born....

When narratives of Europe 15th Century story was written by White trash Europeans you know they are liar bastards....

fucking insidious white trash liars ungrateful to China and Chinese today.... 不知死 该被打 要你的命

hey. even Chinese history don't have world maps lah... They do have extensive maps of East Asia and South Asia, but further West no one has found anything lah...

It also fits into Chinese mentality. Center of the Universe. Everyone else is a barbarian. Map the world for what?

Anyway, the compass well acknowledged to be Chinese invention.

 

[Testing]

Huh like that want to claim credit?hahahaha

 

[JohnTan]

hey. even Chinese history don't have world maps lah... They do have extensive maps of East Asia and South Asia, but further West no one has found anything lah...

The first chink world map was actually commissioned during the Ming dynasty under the crazy emperor wanli in 1602.

Kunyu Wanguo Quantu, printed in China at the request of the Wanli Emperor during 1602 by the Italian Catholic missionary Matteo Ricci and Chinese collaborators, Mandarin Zhong Wentao and the technical translator, Li Zhizao, is the earliest known Chinese world map with the style of European maps.[1] It has been referred to as the Impossible Black Tulip of Cartography, "because of its rarity, importance and exoticism".[2] The map was crucial in expanding Chinese knowledge of the world. It was eventually exported to Korea[3] then Japan and was influential there as well,[4] though less so than Giulio Aleni's Zhifang Waiji.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunyu_Wanguo_Quantu

Kunyu Wanguo Quantu​

 

[tanwahtiu]

The first chink world map was actually commissioned during the Ming dynasty under the crazy emperor wanli in 1602.

Kunyu Wanguo Quantu, printed in China at the request of the Wanli Emperor during 1602 by the Italian Catholic missionary Matteo Ricci and Chinese collaborators, Mandarin Zhong Wentao and the technical translator, Li Zhizao, is the earliest known Chinese world map with the style of European maps.[1] It has been referred to as the Impossible Black Tulip of Cartography, "because of its rarity, importance and exoticism".[2] The map was crucial in expanding Chinese knowledge of the world. It was eventually exported to Korea[3] then Japan and was influential there as well,[4] though less so than Giulio Aleni's Zhifang Waiji.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunyu_Wanguo_Quantu

Kunyu Wanguo Quantu​

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1602? 1421 start of Admiral Cheng Ho expedition to sail the earth... mapped the earth landscapes using compass....

After invention of compass made possible to sail around the world and back....

 

[JohnTan]

1602? 1421 start of Admiral Cheng Ho expedition to sail the earth... mapped the earth landscapes using compass....

After invention of compass made possible to sail around the world and back....

Cheng Ho followed existing trade routes from Chinkland ports to the Middle East and East Africa. There was no official records of his fleet rounding the Cape of Good Hope into the Atlantic. There was also no good reason for his Treasure Fleet to do so, given that during the early 1400s, the Atlantic trade routes along the coasts of western africa were of very little commercial value.

After the death of the Ming emperor Yongle, the voyages were gradually stopped and the subsequent ming emperors had Cheng Ho's newly updated maps and records destroyed.

 

[Splendicker]

So it is the British luckily found mainland China, stolen the world map to rule the world. So is China help to build this fishing village to a city state Singapore...wah

 

[nightsafari]

The first chink world map was actually commissioned during the Ming dynasty under the crazy emperor wanli in 1602.

Kunyu Wanguo Quantu, printed in China at the request of the Wanli Emperor during 1602 by the Italian Catholic missionary Matteo Ricci and Chinese collaborators, Mandarin Zhong Wentao and the technical translator, Li Zhizao, is the earliest known Chinese world map with the style of European maps.[1] It has been referred to as the Impossible Black Tulip of Cartography, "because of its rarity, importance and exoticism".[2] The map was crucial in expanding Chinese knowledge of the world. It was eventually exported to Korea[3] then Japan and was influential there as well,[4] though less so than Giulio Aleni's Zhifang Waiji.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunyu_Wanguo_Quantu

Kunyu Wanguo Quantu​

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Thank you. That's relatively recent though. And after the angmohs already discovered the Americas. Our ah tiu insists that they stole the map from China in the 15th century to discover the Americas which I find not plausible. More likely the Chinese stole the map from the angmohs. I just went to go and read the wiki entry. It was Matteo Ricci's map that the Chinese wanted copied. As a result, he created this.

@tanwahtiu. now you have to say grazie to the Italians for giving China the world map.

The compass China invented in comparison is from around 1100AD.

 

[tanwahtiu]

Thank you. That's relatively recent though. And after the angmohs already discovered the Americas. Our ah tiu insists that they stole the map from China in the 15th century to discover the Americas which I find not plausible. More likely the Chinese stole the map from the angmohs. I just went to go and read the wiki entry. It was Matteo Ricci's map that the Chinese wanted copied. As a result, he created this.

@tanwahtiu. now you have to say grazie to the Italians for giving China the world map.

The compass China invented in comparison is from around 1100AD.

Where is the date time series? Italians on horse backs discovered the world... hello!!!!
Mapped the earth landscapes can only be done from the sea.....

This was a expedition trip to map the earth landscapes with compass.

When did Europeans discovered America? 1497.... 70 years later after China mapped the earth landscapes sail the globe in 1421.....

European histories lied....

 

[nightsafari]

Where is the date time series? Italians on horse backs discovered the world... hello!!!!
Mapped the earth landscapes can only be done from the sea.....

This was a expedition trip to map the earth landscapes with compass.

When did Europeans discovered America? 1497.... 70 years later after China mapped the earth landscapes sail the globe in 1421.....

European histories lied....

ok. swee. I go and digest ok?

It wasn't on horseback. Columbus via the Portuguese and the Spanish discovered the new world. But I check out gavin menzies and come back to you ok?

 

[JohnTan]

Thank you. That's relatively recent though. And after the angmohs already discovered the Americas. Our ah tiu insists that they stole the map from China in the 15th century to discover the Americas which I find not plausible.

It's actually much harder for the Ming dynasty to discover the Americas. The Pacific ocean is much wider than the Atlantic. Also, there were very much fewer trade routes across the Pacific oceans, so seafaring ships on a discovery mission from chinkland to America would find it very much harder to resupply.

For the angmos, prior to discovering the Americas, they already navigated much of western africa and have established trading bases and resupply ports around Guinea.

More likely the Chinese stole the map from the angmohs. I just went to go and read the wiki entry. It was Matteo Ricci's map that the Chinese wanted copied. As a result, he created this.

To be fair to the Ming dynasty, they didn't steal anything. The 1602 world map was officially commissioned by the Wanli emperor. Chink emperors, despite some of them being notorious for womanizing and idiots, they were not thieves. Chink emperors viewed themselves as the 'Son of Heaven' and usually behaved as such. They were not western monarchs of the 15th century who would issue Letter of Marques for pirates, nor were they moslem sultans whose religious piety grew with the scale of banditry raids.

The chink 'Son of Heaven' was above pirates and thieves and bandits. They were however, notorious for being tax collectors.

It wasn't on horseback. Columbus via the Portuguese and the Spanish discovered the new world. But I check out gavin menzies and come back to you ok?

Gavin Menzies wrote that book to cocktease chink audience, who would pay him handsome for public speeches and book royalties sales.

There has been a lot of discussion about who discovered America first, was it the Vikings or Cheng Ho?

Borrowing from the Marvel MCU, it was Columbus' discovery that was the "nexus" event of the history timeline. Over the next few decades, the world got to know of this new continent based on Columbus' discovery. The world certainly didn't learn of the Americas from the Vikings or from the Ming dynasty.

 

[tanwahtiu]

It's actually much harder for the Ming dynasty to discover the Americas. The Pacific ocean is much wider than the Atlantic. Also, there were very much fewer trade routes across the Pacific oceans, so seafaring ships on a discovery mission from chinkland to America would find it very much harder to resupply.

For the angmos, prior to discovering the Americas, they already navigated much of western africa and have established trading bases and resupply ports around Guinea.



To be fair to the Ming dynasty, they didn't steal anything. The 1602 world map was officially commissioned by the Wanli emperor. Chink emperors, despite some of them being notorious for womanizing and idiots, they were not thieves. Chink emperors viewed themselves as the 'Son of Heaven' and usually behaved as such. They were not western monarchs of the 15th century who would issue Letter of Marques for pirates, nor were they moslem sultans whose religious piety grew with the scale of banditry raids.

The chink 'Son of Heaven' was above pirates and thieves and bandits. They were however, notorious for being tax collectors.



Gavin Menzies wrote that book to cocktease chink audience, who would pay him handsome for public speeches and book royalties sales.

There has been a lot of discussion about who discovered America first, was it the Vikings or Cheng Ho?

Borrowing from the Marvel MCU, it was Columbus' discovery that was the "nexus" event of the history timeline. Over the next few decades, the world got to know of this new continent based on Columbus' discovery. The world certainly didn't learn of the Americas from the Vikings or from the Ming dynasty.

Base on time series, every European countries started to explore further out to find new lands after 1422.
That's because they found the earth landscape map marked by China Admiral Cheng Ho expedition trip. The Ming Dynasty was wealthy country could afford to fund such expensive expedition trip.

Show articles of any European countries were already sailing round the earth to discover the world before 1421.

No earth landscape map, no compass before 1421 I don't think Europeans were advanced countries with sailing technolgy and knowledge.

Internet technology was created during Clinton time in 1984. IBM started it. Do you see internet technology used before 1984? Do you see internet email messaging used in the 1960s and 70s?

Therefore it was correct to say the sea faring economy boomed after 1421 with the help of Chinese world map...

The evil BE slave trades economy in South Africa boomed in 1400s to 1500s period... And the beginning of imperialist European regimes and evil BE economy boomed.

 

[nightsafari]

To be fair to the Ming dynasty, they didn't steal anything. The 1602 world map was officially commissioned by the Wanli emperor.

figure of speech/poetic license given the context of the thread. I know it was commissioned.

Gavin Menzies wrote that book to cocktease chink audience, who would pay him handsome for public speeches and book royalties sales.

There has been a lot of discussion about who discovered America first, was it the Vikings or Cheng Ho?

Borrowing from the Marvel MCU, it was Columbus' discovery that was the "nexus" event of the history timeline. Over the next few decades, the world got to know of this new continent based on Columbus' discovery. The world certainly didn't learn of the Americas from the Vikings or from the Ming dynasty.

Cheng Ho's voyage was well documented. Never made it past East Africa. I can't remember whether he died first or got recalled first. Thanks for the summary on Menzies. It was certainly great, but did not discover the Americas.

 

[tanwahtiu]

figure of speech/poetic license given the context of the thread. I know it was commissioned.


Cheng Ho's voyage was well documented. Never made it past East Africa. I can't remember whether he died first or got recalled first. Thanks for the summary on Menzies. It was certainly great, but did not discover the Americas.

Fucking Indian u.... go back to India

 

[nightsafari]

Fucking Indian u.... go back to India

who says I'm not already in India?

 

[JohnTan]

Base on time series, every European countries started to explore further out to find new lands after 1422.
That's because they found the earth landscape map marked by China Admiral Cheng Ho expedition trip. The Ming Dynasty was wealthy country could afford to fund such expensive expedition trip.

Show articles of any European countries were already sailing round the earth to discover the world before 1421.

No earth landscape map, no compass before 1421 I don't think Europeans were advanced countries with sailing technolgy and knowledge.

All the technology that Cheng Ho set sail with, was done using Sung Dynasty technology or before. There were few technological breakthroughs during the Ming Dynasty.

The Ming Dynasty was notorious for its secret police and repressive system. One example of their repressive system was to bar all chinks from the Jiangnan region from becoming mandarins. During the Ming era, Jiangnan (Zhejiang, Hangzhou, Suzhou, Nanjing areas) supplied easily half of the treasury.


But the emperor Zhu Yuanzhang was suspicious of the Jiangnan area. In the late Yuan dynasty, Zhu’s political enemy Zhang Shicheng was based in the Sanwu area, centred around Suzhou and Songjiang. After Zhu eliminated Zhang’s troops, in order to thoroughly get rid of the opposition threat of Zhang’s camp, Zhu persecuted the wealthy households around Suzhou and Songjiang, such as confiscating the lands held by Zhang’s supporters and claiming it as government land.

Shen Wansan, a legendary Jiangsu tycoon, got worried and offered money and donations to the emperor in order to safeguard his property and life. But Shen was also subsequently removed, while Zhu set a discriminatory rule disallowing people from Suzhou and Jiangnan from holding senior official positions, which lasted until the time of Emperor Wanli (1572-1620) and his minister Zhang Juzheng.

https://www.thinkchina.sg/chinese-c...s-fate-ming-dynastys-opposition-party-donglin

It can be seen that the wooden boats of the Tang Dynasty from the early to the late period adopted a watertight compartment structure. The Song and Yuan Dynasties were the most developed period in ancient country for overseas transportation and trade, which inevitably led to the development of the shipbuilding industry, especially the marine shipbuilding industry.

https://www.seetao.com/details/99782.html

Watertight cabin technology

The watertight cabin technology used in shipbuilding actually appeared as early as the Jin Dynasty. Ships made with this technology had a unique name "Eight Slot Ships" in the Eastern Jin Dynasty.

What is the "Eight Slot Ship"? It is to divide the lower draft of the hull into eight cabins during shipbuilding, so that even if one of the cabins leaks during the voyage, it will not cause the ship to sink.

The earliest application of this technique was the famous pirates Sun En and Lu Xun during the Eastern Jin Dynasty.

https://www.seetao.com/details/99782.html

Chinese Compass Navigation
One of the first recordings of using a compass for navigation was during the Northern Song dynasty (960 CE – 1126 CE). These compasses were made by floating a magnetized needle in water. The needle could move freely in the water and point to the earth’s magnetic poles no matter the movement from the ship or boat.

https://www.learnchinesehistory.com/history-chinese-compass/

 

[jw5]

All the technology that Cheng Ho set sail with, was done using Sung Dynasty technology or before. There were few technological breakthroughs during the Ming Dynasty.

The Ming Dynasty was notorious for its secret police and repressive system. One example of their repressive system was to bar all chinks from the Jiangnan region from becoming mandarins. During the Ming era, Jiangnan (Zhejiang, Hangzhou, Suzhou, Nanjing areas) supplied easily half of the treasury.


But the emperor Zhu Yuanzhang was suspicious of the Jiangnan area. In the late Yuan dynasty, Zhu’s political enemy Zhang Shicheng was based in the Sanwu area, centred around Suzhou and Songjiang. After Zhu eliminated Zhang’s troops, in order to thoroughly get rid of the opposition threat of Zhang’s camp, Zhu persecuted the wealthy households around Suzhou and Songjiang, such as confiscating the lands held by Zhang’s supporters and claiming it as government land.

Shen Wansan, a legendary Jiangsu tycoon, got worried and offered money and donations to the emperor in order to safeguard his property and life. But Shen was also subsequently removed, while Zhu set a discriminatory rule disallowing people from Suzhou and Jiangnan from holding senior official positions, which lasted until the time of Emperor Wanli (1572-1620) and his minister Zhang Juzheng.

https://www.thinkchina.sg/chinese-c...s-fate-ming-dynastys-opposition-party-donglin


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It can be seen that the wooden boats of the Tang Dynasty from the early to the late period adopted a watertight compartment structure. The Song and Yuan Dynasties were the most developed period in ancient country for overseas transportation and trade, which inevitably led to the development of the shipbuilding industry, especially the marine shipbuilding industry.

https://www.seetao.com/details/99782.html

Watertight cabin technology

View attachment 129815

The watertight cabin technology used in shipbuilding actually appeared as early as the Jin Dynasty. Ships made with this technology had a unique name "Eight Slot Ships" in the Eastern Jin Dynasty.

What is the "Eight Slot Ship"? It is to divide the lower draft of the hull into eight cabins during shipbuilding, so that even if one of the cabins leaks during the voyage, it will not cause the ship to sink.

The earliest application of this technique was the famous pirates Sun En and Lu Xun during the Eastern Jin Dynasty.

https://www.seetao.com/details/99782.html

View attachment 129816

Chinese Compass Navigation
One of the first recordings of using a compass for navigation was during the Northern Song dynasty (960 CE – 1126 CE). These compasses were made by floating a magnetized needle in water. The needle could move freely in the water and point to the earth’s magnetic poles no matter the movement from the ship or boat.

https://www.learnchinesehistory.com/history-chinese-compass/

If Zhang Wuji was the Emperor, he would not have been so suspicious of the Jiangnan area.

 

[JohnTan]

If Zhang Wuji was the Emperor, he would not have been so suspicious of the Jiangnan area.

Zhang wuji was a fucking wimp who got lucky and found gongfu book in a chimp's tummy. He was constantly manipulated by the people around him. He should be thankful that he didn't end up trussed like a turkey and drowned in the end, just like some of his diehard followers.

 

[tanwahtiu]

Zhang wuji was a fucking wimp who got lucky and found gongfu book in a chimp's tummy. He was constantly manipulated by the people around him. He should be thankful that he didn't end up trussed like a turkey and drowned in the end, just like some of his diehard followers.

Hey dickhead, why you bad mouthing Ming Dynasty history. LKY has his notorious bad behaviours like the Operation Spectrum and jailing oppo with ISA law. But he has done good things too, a great architect built a modern Singapore from scratch...

Ming Dynasty funded the expedition to mark earth landscapes and make a map of the earth. That's it.

Stick to my narrative to debate and not go out of point, dumbtwit.

It is indeed after 1421 the Europeans steal the map and set to sail round and discover the world... Europeans invasion of SEA, Australia and America started after 1421 taking the sea routes go to NZ and way down to Antarctic Oceans....

The fucking BE had been saying they found this and that land. Raffles said he found Singapore in 1819. Europeans found America in 1478, 50 years layer after 1421, and so on... get it... do you think Europeans were that high tech genius at that time? Tribalism still use spears and sword fighting... until they learn to make gunpowder from China... change new ways to fight wars...

Cut and paste all negative articles about China doesn't help improve your argument...