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me too agree with your points almost entirely...except the desire part ,...simply put how can a startegic choking points like the malay archipelago be of non desirable even if it's just rocks and rocks ? even today the modern china realises this since almost a lot of its
rade has to pass through the malay archipelago..of course ,the other alternative route was the inland silk route but much much less desirable

even the western colonists did not colonise for desire sake but for strategic sake ,to monopolize the spice trade

having said that brings us to the ability ..China and India did not demonstrate their ability as the western colonists did ..and most importantly to administer all these colonies sitting in their homes with just a few men at ground zero ..
this is where the British had done remarkably well ..
their bureaucracy and administrative skills were unmatched even today.... where they entered India with only 800men and conqured the entire land too ..today's US with all their mighty weapons and education cannot even hold a country like Vietnam or Iraq ...but the British held almost all the world
the chinese view themselves as the middle of the world. if you look at the map of central plains, you will notice china proper is big enough for the chinese population to play with without going out. at the same time, it rather troublesome to get out. to the east is the unknown sea, south the jungle of indochina, north the mogolian steppes and desert and west the roof of the world. There only a narrow corridor in the northwest that lead out to central asia. Even the land of Han chinese proper(no tibet, no mongolia,no manchuria, no sinkjiang), the land mass is about the size of western and central europe combine if not bigger. there are hundreds of european countries while there only one chinese ruler. The empreror has all that he needed, he will see no need for further expansion of lands where the populations are difficult to integrate into the empire. A good example is korea, as long recognised emperor as Big Brother, the chinese emperor basically leave korea alone. another place is northern vietnam, it was integrated as two chinese provinces since Qin Dynasty, break off after collapse of Qin. Only returned to chinese proper under Han Wudi and then rose up in rebellion during the later. Rebellion was put down by general Ma Yuan during Liu Xiu era. Rebellions went on for the next 1800 years until Qing gave up and recognised Vietnam as vassal. While to outsider see all chinese as the same, we certainly are not the same, different culture, different diet, different dialects. The emperor will have a hard time balancing without losing control. While the emperor look almighty to outside but he too have to compromise in order to keep his empire in order. The last thing he need is to colonise more lands consisting of non core cultures and langagues.

The chinese population while could the largest in the world since antiquity, it seldom exceed 70m, in fact by the time population reach 60m, the dynasties will start to decline and collapse. It only during emperor Kangxi era population exceed 100m and beyond 200m during Qianlong and 400m by the time of the opium war. It was the introduction of New World crops such as maize, potato, sweet potato, chilli etc etc. these crops yield much higher than millet, rice and wheat so can sustain bigger population. The introduction of cotton during late Ming period help push the chinese further north as the cotton clothing offer more protection against winter.
 

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The chinese population while could the largest in the world since antiquity, it seldom exceed 70m, in fact by the time population reach 60m, the dynasties will start to decline and collapse. It only during emperor Kangxi era population exceed 100m and beyond 200m during Qianlong and 400m by the time of the opium war. It was the introduction of New World crops such as maize, potato, sweet potato, chilli etc etc. these crops yield much higher than millet, rice and wheat so can sustain bigger population. The introduction of cotton during late Ming period help push the chinese further north as the cotton clothing offer

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I industrial revolution made food cheap and accessible.
Currently it's the number of humans that is creating the huge greenhouse gasses. And not cows or cars or planes.
Reduce the number by half, and world eill be a much better place.
 

syed putra

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Other than Najib, who else? :biggrin:
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Cop in Mongolian women rape case claims trial to human trafficking charges

KLANG: The police officer who allegedly raped two Mongolian women has been charged at the Sessions Court here on Wednesday (April 29).
Insp Hazrul Hizham Ghazali, 30, claimed trial to two charges under Section 13 of the Anti-Trafficking in Persons and Anti-Smuggling of Migrants (Atipsom) Act.


Hazrul Hizham was accused of using his position to sexually exploit the two Mongolian women aged 20 and 36.
He had allegedly committed both offences at a boutique hotel in Petaling Jaya between 10.30pm on April 10 and 8.30pm on April 11.

If found guilty, Hazrul Hizham, who is attached to the Petaling Jaya police headquarters, could be jailed between three to 20 years.
The charge was read before Sessions Court judge Tasnim Abu Bakar.
Tasnim fixed June 17 for the case to be mentioned and set bail at RM10,000 for each charge with one surety.
She also ordered for his international passport to be surrendered to the court as well as for the accused to report himself at a police station at the beginning of every month.
Mohammad Al-Saifi Hashim prosecuted while Shah Rizal Abdul Rahman and Nik Muammer Hurrie Mohamad Sukri appeared for the accused.
Tasnim also reminded the media to not mention the names of the two women in their news reports.
 

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Cop in Mongolian women rape case claims trial to human trafficking charges

KLANG: The police officer who allegedly raped two Mongolian women has been charged at the Sessions Court here on Wednesday (April 29).
Insp Hazrul Hizham Ghazali, 30, claimed trial to two charges under Section 13 of the Anti-Trafficking in Persons and Anti-Smuggling of Migrants (Atipsom) Act.


Hazrul Hizham was accused of using his position to sexually exploit the two Mongolian women aged 20 and 36.
He had allegedly committed both offences at a boutique hotel in Petaling Jaya between 10.30pm on April 10 and 8.30pm on April 11.

If found guilty, Hazrul Hizham, who is attached to the Petaling Jaya police headquarters, could be jailed between three to 20 years.
The charge was read before Sessions Court judge Tasnim Abu Bakar.
Tasnim fixed June 17 for the case to be mentioned and set bail at RM10,000 for each charge with one surety.
She also ordered for his international passport to be surrendered to the court as well as for the accused to report himself at a police station at the beginning of every month.
Mohammad Al-Saifi Hashim prosecuted while Shah Rizal Abdul Rahman and Nik Muammer Hurrie Mohamad Sukri appeared for the accused.
Tasnim also reminded the media to not mention the names of the two women in their news reports.

Handful je. Boleh kira....
 

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Cop in Mongolian women rape case claims trial to human trafficking charges

KLANG: The police officer who allegedly raped two Mongolian women has been charged at the Sessions Court here on Wednesday (April 29).
Insp Hazrul Hizham Ghazali, 30, claimed trial to two charges under Section 13 of the Anti-Trafficking in Persons and Anti-Smuggling of Migrants (Atipsom) Act.


Hazrul Hizham was accused of using his position to sexually exploit the two Mongolian women aged 20 and 36.
He had allegedly committed both offences at a boutique hotel in Petaling Jaya between 10.30pm on April 10 and 8.30pm on April 11.

If found guilty, Hazrul Hizham, who is attached to the Petaling Jaya police headquarters, could be jailed between three to 20 years.
The charge was read before Sessions Court judge Tasnim Abu Bakar.
Tasnim fixed June 17 for the case to be mentioned and set bail at RM10,000 for each charge with one surety.
She also ordered for his international passport to be surrendered to the court as well as for the accused to report himself at a police station at the beginning of every month.
Mohammad Al-Saifi Hashim prosecuted while Shah Rizal Abdul Rahman and Nik Muammer Hurrie Mohamad Sukri appeared for the accused.
Tasnim also reminded the media to not mention the names of the two women in their news reports.

Al the m&ds and ah neh stop being obsessed with chinese gals or yellow skin gals! Go fuck your own shits! Become rich and want to get yellow skin gals becos your own shits are too unfuckable and too dark!
 

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This you call "end up with"? LOL............. you joker. :rolleyes::biggrin:

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Cop in Mongolian women rape case claims trial to human trafficking charges

KLANG: The police officer who allegedly raped two Mongolian women has been charged at the Sessions Court here on Wednesday (April 29).
Insp Hazrul Hizham Ghazali, 30, claimed trial to two charges under Section 13 of the Anti-Trafficking in Persons and Anti-Smuggling of Migrants (Atipsom) Act.


Hazrul Hizham was accused of using his position to sexually exploit the two Mongolian women aged 20 and 36.
He had allegedly committed both offences at a boutique hotel in Petaling Jaya between 10.30pm on April 10 and 8.30pm on April 11.

If found guilty, Hazrul Hizham, who is attached to the Petaling Jaya police headquarters, could be jailed between three to 20 years.
The charge was read before Sessions Court judge Tasnim Abu Bakar.
Tasnim fixed June 17 for the case to be mentioned and set bail at RM10,000 for each charge with one surety.
She also ordered for his international passport to be surrendered to the court as well as for the accused to report himself at a police station at the beginning of every month.
Mohammad Al-Saifi Hashim prosecuted while Shah Rizal Abdul Rahman and Nik Muammer Hurrie Mohamad Sukri appeared for the accused.
Tasnim also reminded the media to not mention the names of the two women in their news reports.
 

syed putra

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Al the m&ds and ah neh stop being obsessed with chinese gals or yellow skin gals! Go fuck your own shits! Become rich and want to get yellow skin gals becos your own shits are too unfuckable and too dark!
The yellow skin girls came to Malay archipelago. Malays did not go to china looking for them.
 

ilovechinesegal

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The yellow skin girls came to Malay archipelago. Malays did not go to china looking for them.

That is in the past when peo migrating around the world simply by rowing the boat! The malaya suppose to be chinese dominated but the m&ds refuse to let Lee to control as they want special privilege to the m&ds and they scare becos they are pussy!

If the chinese control the malaya, confim first world nation but might face alot of racial riot so in the end, islam always create havoc!
 

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:smile: will politely and humbly disagree with you on 1 point. :smile::notworthy::notworthy:

We see through modern/different eyes the value of trade routes and strategic conquest. Back in those days, China didn't really value trade. I believe it was if you want Chinese stuff, lai, if not get lost. Again, I point to Japan and Korea. Don't value trade at all.

English adminstration back in those days was 1st class, but China was also good. Back when the Mongolians took over, they had to resort to using Chinese and imported Persian administrators. Didn't trust the Chinese so they brought in Persian, but Persians cannot manage the whole empire had to resort back to Chinese. This is of course my reading of history, it may or may not be what actually happened.

English walked into India, but because of Indian being super-racist since back then, straightaway see white skin, high technology, amazing organisation, they worship as gods. It's literally in written in Hinduism about gods, castes and skin colour. I've actually been looking for a Hindu scholar because I've been trying to find the exact story I read years ago. Let me know if you know one. No need to fire a shot. Impression can win everything... at least at first. Until Indians get bored of seeing it, then they rose up.

US can't win Vietnam or Iraq. In today's world, nobody wants foreigners and white skin no longer so special as to command so much attention. But biggest thing is they were not wanted in those countries in the 1st place. I don't think in 2020 anybody wants Americans to occupy them, but of course I may be wrong.

Thank you for discussing.
you have raised several issues but cannot discuss them all of it now ..so I shall stick to the question of colour of the skin...having a white skin alone was not enough for any sort of superiority ...otherwise how to explain china and India's past glory when whites were roaming the street naked ?

the Caucasians as a race had achieved some thing more than their mere skin ...i would say much much much more than chinese or Indian civilization in the past 1000 yesrs ...in fact both had not contributed anything significant to humanity in the last 1000 years...as Sam would say Ang Mor is the best

in fact white skin is nothing new to Indian and Chinese empires as Greeks and Romans were present in both their courts
...as a matter of fact Greeks were part of the Indian empire
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Greek_Kingdom

and please don't ask any so called expert for any knowledge..each will want to indoctrinate you with his or her version...it's up to us to search and for our own mind
 

duluxe

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malay old culture is indian culture heritage. malay new culture is from arab. in a nutshell, malay do not have any culture of their own except goreng pisang.
 

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Islam became what it is because of Middle Easterners

islam became what it is because of its founder and founding members.

If moslems deviate from their religion, all they needed to do to return to their religion was to mimic the actions and thoughts of their founder and founding members. It is more than just wearing a goatee and wearing arab clothes.

Boko haram, isis, taliban, salafists, wahabis, m&d islamist supremacists, shia theocracy, all follow the quran and hadith as closely as they can to bring about 'true islam'. Their actions are consistent with the actions of muhammad and his founding members. They all would be very offended if you told them that they are not following islam.
 

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Mongolians again. They have a harsh homeland. That's why they invaded most of the whole world. I don't really consider them Chinese.

The mongols gave moslems a taste of the mass slaughter that moslems have been dishing out to the hindus and buddhists for a thousand years from 700+ AD to 1700+ AD.

The mongols are only deemed cruel and evil by moslems simply because the mongols were not moslems and they were burning mosques instead of churches and temples. Moslem conquerors who slaughtered lots of hindus and buddhists, and burned down their temples and universities are deemed as heroes and martyrs of islam.
 

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you have raised several issues but cannot discuss them all of it now ..so I shall stick to the question of colour of the skin...having a white skin alone was not enough for any sort of superiority ...otherwise how to explain china and India's past glory when whites were roaming the street naked ?

It's a good point. Eastern Europeans have white skin, but they are far less developed than western europe. The term 'The West, is used not to define Europe, but more specifically, the developed G8 societies of Europe. Countries like Spain and Italy are loosely associated with the 'West' depending on whether you focus on their economic power or on how much you dislike them for their colonial past.
 

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I am unaware of any Chinese territorial conquest outside of the mainland and it's surroundings until the Ming dynasty which was when Cheng Ho left China. Even present day Taiwan which is next door was untouched until the Portugeuse and the Dutch took it over. I don't think it's a matter of ensuring control over the land. I think they just never wished to own anything else because they saw no point.

Chink 'mainland' is a vague term. A country's territorial size changes over time, defined either by its territorial conquests or defeats.

In the northwest of chinkland, there is a corridor of land called the Hexi Corridor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexi_Corridor

It's a narrow strip of land hospitable for inhabitants and travellers, with desserts and mountains on either side. The ancient chinks expanded along this corridor during the Tang Dynasty and took over much of the Tarim Basin, Xinjiang during the 8th century AD. After losing the Battle of Talas to the arabs, the Tang lost Xinjiang. The Tangs subsequently defeated the Arabs who continued to invade Tang chink territory. A reconquista of the Tarim was planned, but never happened because of the massive uprising sparked off by the turkic An Lushan.

The Ming chink dynasty did conquer manchuria and regions of inner mongolia, only to lose control of them in the late 16th century ownwards, when the Qing jurchen became strong. During the chink dynasty, much of the xinjiang and tibet were conquered by chink troops and chink generals. Much of these were overlooked because the emperor was manchu, not pure chink.



Chink general Yue Zhongqi conquered Tibet with 3000 men. General Nian Gengyao conquered Qinghai for the Qing. By the early 1700s, the Qing's famous 8-banner manchu army was obsolete and out of shape as a fighting force. Most of the Qing's heavy fighting would be borned by a single banner, the ethnic chink Green banner.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_expedition_to_Tibet_(1720)

General Zuo Zongtang, founder of General Tso's chicken, squashed a moslem ugyhur rebellion in Xinjiang in the late 1800s and had the moslem rebel leader's corpse burnt in public and his surviving sons castrated. Ottoman officers found stirring trouble in Xinjiang were also tortured to death.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qing_reconquest_of_Xinjiang

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaqub_Beg
 
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It's a good point. Eastern Europeans have white skin, but they are far less developed than western europe. The term 'The West, is used not to define Europe, but more specifically, the developed G8 societies of Europe. Countries like Spain and Italy are loosely associated with the 'West' depending on whether you focus on their economic power or on how much you dislike them for their colonial past.
helooop,johnnieee boy ,oh Boy ...what is this eastern and western Europe relating to western civilization?

the hallmark of western civilization begun with the Greeks, their great thinkers like Socrates, Aristotle and all other philosophy including a Spartan vs Other societies all has Greek as an origin ...today part of that Greek is now with Turkey

when Greece declined the Roman took over and the spread than went on to other European countries now as of today with Uncle Sam ...the western civilization continued according to time changing different location during different time

but there are evidences that the Greek themselves borrowed a lot from Arab civilization ,like certain sciences

this is totally unlike the Chinese and Indian civilization ...meaning it was contained quite geographically so as to speak ..except ,the Sub continent had a lot of infusion from Arabs ,Greeks and Romans ...and both drew from each other
 
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