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Goh Meng Seng: AHPETC screwed Aljunied residents

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Let me piece up all the missing pieces of the AHPeTC sagas... from 50% arrears from commercial tenants to ceiling gate and the fine for illegal trade fair.

In 2012 and 2013, many things happened in WP's wards. First the ceiling gate and then the trade fair saga. Finally, it develops into AHPeTC management and financial saga which resulted in high S&CC arrears.

We may speculate about what happen in all these sagas and apparently, there are traces of PAP's own grassroots people involved, both in the hawker ceiling gate and trade fair saga. This is a natural development because all along, PAP has recruited those who are in charge of those local trade and hawkers associations to become their ground men.

There are two theories. One, PAP has used these local grassroots organizations as the front to embarrass or even "cripple" WP AHPeTC. Two, something went wrong in WP AHPeTC management whereby there are people who just got too greedy and started to do funny things to "milk" the system.

I believe both existed. WP has not explained why it would allow its contractors to demand additional fees from the hawkers despite the fact that it says that it has already fulfill its "contractual obligations" in the hawker ceiling gate. It has side stepped that very important question and LTK even backtracked from his promise of "investigating" into the matter and closed the case in hush hush manner.

Of course, the PAP grassroots-controlled hawker and trade associations have took the opportunity to hit hard on WP AHPeTC and indeed, the minister in charge, Vivian has started to point his fingers at WP's integrity in the whole issue.

The recent court battle between WP AHPeTC and NEA (under Minister Vivian again) over the rights to hold trade fairs has brought up a few interesting points. Here again, the local trade associations controlled by PAP grassroots are involved in the whole battle.

The first important point to debate is whether it is logical or appropriate for an Elected representative, MP, to seek "permission" from a totally non-elected representatives of trade associations to hold trade fairs on premises and areas which is within the MP's Town Council's prerogative. The seemingly valid argument is that any trade fairs held by Town Council would affect business of those tenants who have paid hefty rent for their shops located there. But we have to be mindful that such trade associations controlled by PAP's grassroots representatives may "politicize" the issue and prevented Opposition held TC from putting up trade fairs for the benefits of the residents. This is a REAL concern on the ground when grassroots organizations like PA and local trade associations are being politicized and controlled by PAP.

However, it was reported that AHPeTC has been putting up trade fairs weeks after weeks (back to back?) for at least 6 months prior to an uproar of shopkeepers in the ward. Apparently, AHPeTC has rented out the common area to an alleged WP associate/supporter to run trade fairs for a prolonged period. This has inevitably angered some of the shop owners affected. Well, put it simply, if you are running a business there, paying high rental, would you be pissed off by the TC which keeps putting up trade fairs with tenants who pay less rent but sell the same items that you are selling?

In all fairness, I think AHPeTC has mismanaged the whole trade fair issue. It should not have rented out the common space for a prolonged period for trade fairs or continuous trade fairs. It has become insensitive and inconsiderate to the shop owners in the vicinity. Whether or not PAP took the opportunity to politicize the issue, AHPeTC has made a terrible mistake in doing so. When you try to do something that will break the rice bowls of others, be prepared for uprising and repercussions.

A balance of interests must be weighed carefully before AHPeTC went into the madness of trying to "make more money" for the TC.

AHPeTC has stated a couple of reasons on why it has chose to go to court over this Trade Fair saga. One of them is "Public Interests". I guess "Public Interests" should also include the interests of those shop owners affected.

The second most important reason is revenue lost for AHPeTC. Apparently that is the more important reason for AHPeTC. But if the court is to rule in favour of AHPeTC, would it mean that AHPeTC will have a free hand to do exactly what it did before this... rented out the common space for almost uninterrupted trade fairs within the vicinity under its charge? Will that be a REASONABLE thing to do?

The key issue here, is not "Public Interests" but rather, the balancing of interests from various stakeholders. Apparently, AHPeTC has lost the balance and in the end, created a mess out of it.

And this comes to my last point. When you add up the Hawker Ceiling Saga and Trade Fair saga, will you be surprised if some of the commercial tenants (including hawkers and shop owners) just decide to go on their own "civil disobedience" by not paying their S&CC charges?

Here again, PAP might have made use of this opportunity to do AHPeTC in because basically, they have politicized the grassroots organizations. But we cannot know for sure. However, it was WP's own mistakes which provide them such excuses and opportunity to do so.

Eventually, all these may just blew up within the undercurrents of anger and dissatisfaction, resulting in the financial problems of 50% S&CC arrears from these commercial tenants.


As opposition, I do not like the way PAP politicizing grassroots organizations. They should be independent and should not be used as a political tool against opposition when PAP lost their seats.

But I am also dismay at the way WP runs their Town Council. There is no excuse for such mess because WP has great amount of experience in running a TC in Hougang before. I believe all these happen because WP started to employ FMSS as their management agent instead of running the TC on their own as what they used to do in Hougang prior to 2011.

Whether we like it or not, for TC management, it is POLITICAL in nature and politics, is about dealing with people. Insensitive acts like putting up a 6 month long numerous trade fairs in a single vicinity will definitely make more people pissed off than winning their support.

On the surface, hard core anti-PAP supporters may see this as PAP "fixing" opposition WP. But if we look deeper into it, WP is wrong to begin with but the politicking will just carry on. In the end, who suffer? Your guess is as good as mine.
 
Two, something went wrong in WP AHPeTC management whereby there are people who just got too greedy and started to do funny things to "milk" the system.

I find this hard to swallow. WP has a good thing going for them. They are in the midst of gaining more seats in parliament in the next election or maybe, even to form the next government.
Why risk getting greedy at this early stage and lose it all.
 
I have great admiration for Goh Meng Seng. He knows how to cut to the chaff and reveal what goes on behind the scenes.

He then analyses the situation in a clinical but unbiased manner.

I wish there were more like him. He's definitely an asset to the country.
 
I have great admiration for Goh Meng Seng. He knows how to cut to the chaff and reveal what goes on behind the scenes.

He then analyses the situation in a clinical but unbiased manner.
I wish there were more like him. He's definitely an asset to the country.

GMS reminds me of Mr Harban Singh :D
 
I find this hard to swallow. WP has a good thing going for them. They are in the midst of gaining more seats in parliament in the next election or maybe, even to form the next government.
Why risk getting greedy at this early stage and lose it all.

Please use the "quote" tags. Otherwise the quoted text will be repeated when your message is quoted further down the thread.

I have edited your post for you.
 
I have great admiration for Goh Meng Seng. He knows how to cut to the chaff and reveal what goes on behind the scenes.

He then analyses the situation in a clinical but unbiased manner.

I wish there were more like him. He's definitely an asset to the country.

GMS is a politician and nothing he says, even if true, can be considered unbiased. Unbiased or not, he is no more than a kopi-tiam uncle spraying spittle. His choice of this forum to propagate his views is proof enough. He feels, had the WP retained his wisdom and experience, they would be making much smarter moves. This being Christmas, let me respond with a hearty , Ho Ho Ho.

If he wants to be taken seriously he should get someone to proof-read his English. Atrocious, even by Sinkie standards.
 
I have great admiration for Goh Meng Seng. He knows how to cut to the chaff and reveal what goes on behind the scenes.

He then analyses the situation in a clinical but unbiased manner.

I wish there were more like him. He's definitely an asset to the country.

Did you buy anything from his Madcow Comp shop??????????
 
I have great admiration for Goh Meng Seng. He knows how to cut to the chaff and reveal what goes on behind the scenes.

He then analyses the situation in a clinical but unbiased manner.

I wish there were more like him. He's definitely an asset to the country.

Too bad the PAP prefers him to work as a trojan horse than to let him run with you in GE 2016.
 
GMS reminds me of Mr Harban Singh :D

Harban Singh makes us laugh. GMS makes us curse. He portrays himself as an objective politician but you could through him and conclude that he is working for the PAP.
 
GMS is a politician and nothing he says, even if true, can be considered unbiased. Unbiased or not, he is no more than a kopi-tiam uncle spraying spittle. His choice of this forum to propagate his views is proof enough. He feels, had the WP retained his wisdom and experience, they would be making much smarter moves. This being Christmas, let me respond with a hearty , Ho Ho Ho.

His commentaries are never unproblematic to begin with, but we should always offer scrutiny on areas that concern the opposition. We must remember opposition supporters are generally hopeful that more change will come in 2016 but for him, he isn't showing much signs of the same.

Consistency problems

Goh Meng Seng straddles between "neutral" and "opposition" at his own whim and fancy. In this case he again returns to the "opposition" hashtag.

Nothing was mentioned on AIM, which played a major part in a saga involving 4 episodes.

GMS asserts that AHPETC did not weigh balance of interests. How many trade fair areas were there in the WHOLE Aljunied compared to the number of shops in the whole Aljunied?

Is GMS also saying that if NEA did not fine NSP when he was secretary-general, he would have a free hand to sell NSP newsletters everywhere?

Is GMS saying every time an opposition party tumbles because of PAP rules, it is also due to their own mistake? Did NSP fail to win a single seat under his charge due also partly to his own mistakes that he has never admitted to?

Factual problems

Nowhere has it been said that WP's contractors "demanded additional fees". Neither PAP nor WP side has made that assertion. Goh Meng Seng's concoctation and mindless repeat of this claim puts him at a league no different from Fabrications, Temasek Times or TRS at times. Anyone would expect better from a 2-time candidate who has sat on 2 party leadership boards.

It is not uncommon for a non-profit organization to find alternative sources of income. The purpose is to reduce the burden on operations and residents. We don't tell the government to build lesser shopping malls to help shop owners, do we?

Competition also gives people more choices. I thought we all understood that.

The trade fair being rented to a WP associate is indeed an allegation. Not even the SPH has raised or discovered this.

There is no evidence that the commercial tenants had conducted "civil disobedience". WP does walkabouts in the hawker centres in their own constituencies. Had there been widespread unhappiness, they would have been chased out of hawker centres and GMS own resourcefulness would have informed him and he would had spread it online. But we don't see that.
 
You wrote sowell n objective. I would b shellshock if boss Sam did not add to yr points
 
Too bad the PAP prefers him to work as a trojan horse than to let him run with you in GE 2016.

Mebbe he get better paid for this infernal affiar position. Afterall it toOK time to groom n plant moles. Jbj did see it coming back then n paid a price
 
Harban Singh makes us laugh. GMS makes us curse. He portrays himself as an objective politician but you could through him and conclude that he is working for the PAP.

ya, but at the end of the day, both work for same boss... both with the same objective, different strategy :p
 
Harban Singh makes us laugh. GMS makes us curse. He portrays himself as an objective politician but you could through him and conclude that he is working for the PAP.

Appears like all the Sengs/Singhs are great entertainers - Wong Kan Seng, Seng Han Thong etc.
 
GOH MENG SENG, in the next general election, go stand in HG, PUNGGOL EAST & whatever WP is there, on any ticket & let the people judge what you say about the WP. If they vote you in, they will validate all your comments to date, have some balls, show what you can do, & not what you can say...

You think the people are " bong gan"???
 
Tat is the reason why GMS is called Got More Shit. He jux ssprout shit n had got shit for brains. If he is a true oppo he should just criticise pap but he blames everything on WP. Whereas he could not even win a seat in parleement.

GMS is a politician and nothing he says, even if true, can be considered unbiased. Unbiased or not, he is no more than a kopi-tiam uncle spraying spittle. His choice of this forum to propagate his views is proof enough. He feels, had the WP retained his wisdom and experience, they would be making much smarter moves. This being Christmas, let me respond with a hearty , Ho Ho Ho.

If he wants to be taken seriously he should get someone to proof-read his English. Atrocious, even by Sinkie standards.
 
GMS is a politician and nothing he says, even if true, can be considered unbiased. Unbiased or not, he is no more than a kopi-tiam uncle spraying spittle. His choice of this forum to propagate his views is proof enough. He feels, had the WP retained his wisdom and experience, they would be making much smarter moves. This being Christmas, let me respond with a hearty , Ho Ho Ho.

If he wants to be taken seriously he should get someone to proof-read his English. Atrocious, even by Sinkie standards.

In what universe is Goh Meng Seng a politician? He has never once won an election, never represented any ward in parliament, not an NCMP, not an NMP, not a member of any government parliamentary commitee.

He's just a rabble rouser.
 
In what universe is Goh Meng Seng a politician? He has never once won an election, never represented any ward in parliament, not an NCMP, not an NMP, not a member of any government parliamentary commitee.

He's just a rabble rouser.

I will give him enough respect that he joined a party , put himself forward for elections, on more than one occasion. He continues to comment publicly on political matters. To me he is more a politician than the technocrats in parliament who delight in wearing white. They were recruited to serve a party, show no political vision for the future of Singapore ( with rare exceptions ) and will happily sell out Singaporeans to serve party interests (again with some exceptions). To me they are more like employees of Singapore , Inc. The last true politician in the PAP is LKY. Even his son, who once in a while shows some political instincts, draws inspiration from his father. All the others have got where they are by hanging on to coat tails and looking out for Number One.
 
I will give him enough respect that he joined a party , put himself forward for elections, on more than one occasion. He continues to comment publicly on political matters. To me he is more a politician than the technocrats in parliament who delight in wearing white. They were recruited to serve a party, show no political vision for the future of Singapore ( with rare exceptions ) and will happily sell out Singaporeans to serve party interests (again with some exceptions). To me they are more like employees of Singapore , Inc. The last true politician in the PAP is LKY. Even his son, who once in a while shows some political instincts, draws inspiration from his father. All the others have got where they are by hanging on to coat tails and looking out for Number One.

Goh Meng Seng is a PAP-operative lah.
 
that has never been questioned publicly by PAP
 
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