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Is S'pore heading towards extinction?

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Is S'pore heading towards extinction?
Singapore’s low fertility: A spreading scourge

By Seah Chiang Nee
http://sg.yfittopostblog.com/2011/01/26/singapores-low-fertility-a-spreading-scourge/

Two eye-catching headlines this past week read: “One million residents –- or one in three –- are single” and “Fertility rate sank to lowest in history”.

They may sound alarming but are just an update of Singapore’s long-term demographic plight, which appears to be deteriorating sharply despite a strong economic surge.

In recent years, serious discussion of this subject has been buried by a strong emotional backlash against the mass intake of foreigners.

Whenever it crops up, critics would consider it government propaganda to justify bringing in massive “cheap” manpower.

Yet, low procreation is a very real threat in Singapore –- and the universe. Just how bad is it?

Latest official figures show fertility falling to a record low of 1.16 babies per woman in 2010 from 1.22 a year ago –- even as the economy rose by 14.7%.

This makes Singapore the third least fertile of 225 countries in the world, with its citizens producing one baby for every two needed to replace themselves. Only two other places are less fertile than Singapore –- Hong Kong (1.04) and Macau (0.91).

At this rate, Singapore would become extinct without outsiders replenishing the population.

What’s the right number?

The hot controversy here is not whether migrants are needed –- they are –- but how many of them and how gradual. A solution to import two million foreigners, as happened here between 1990 and 2010, has come under severe criticism.

Singapore today, is like a “poor little rich kid”. The nation is cash rich but poor in natural resources. Now, even its most precious asset –- people –- is depleting.

A study three years ago found more than 70 countries had a fertility rate of below two, less than the 2.1 minimum needed to prevent population decline.

Europe is a long-time victim. Many countries there are forced to import people.

Even China’s rate is dropping from its 1.75.

“The dramatic fact is there is no European country where the population has enough children to replace their parents when they die,” an analyst said several years ago.

For 10 years, the Singapore government has thrown money and perks to tempt its people to produce more babies, apparently to little avail.

Its latest effort, embarked in 2008, was giving away cash incentives and tax rebates and more paid leave for parents and protection for pregnant mothers.

With a 1.16 fertility rate, the republic is faring worse compared with the rest of the world, having fallen behind nations like America (2.06), France (1.97), Britain (1.92) and Australia (1.78).

Singles trend

Declining birth rates are aggravated by news that the young generation is becoming more reluctant to get married.

The latest census showed singlehood rising from 30% a decade ago to 32% currently.

The marriage rate dropped from 7.8 per 1,000 residents in 1999 to 6.6 in 2009.

Footloose and fancy-free, more of today’s youths are reluctant to tie the knot, reported The Straits Times.

“To be exact, one in three residents — or one million of those who call Singapore home — is single.”

The revelation prompted elder statesman Lee Kuan Yew to restate Singapore’s need for young immigrants to save its economy from long-term decline.

In special comments released to the press, Lee said: “At these low birth rates, we will rapidly age and shrink.”

As affluence and education spread, more young Singaporeans –- men and women –- are opting for a “freer” lifestyle, to travel and socialise without any matrimonial obligation.

“They are reluctant to sacrifice their comfortable way of life and leisure time to bring up the next generation,” said a concerned sociologist.

Middle-class critics have their pet explanations why Singaporeans are reluctant to raise children, ranging from high living costs to a stressful life and perceived pessimism for the future.

“We don’t find Singapore a conducive place to raise children,” declared 30% of people polled in a survey two years ago, a local newspaper reported.

Only half of the 1,256 people polled thought the city was a good place for kids, despite Singapore’s reputation as “a safe place with a world class education system”, it said.

Ironically, as more foreigners were brought in to close the people gap, they also brought over-crowdedness and strong competition for jobs and public housing.

Housing problem

In a published letter headlined, “Why romance in Singapore has fallen flat”, a Singapore lady blamed it on the shortage, and rising cost, of public flats.

Without one, few working couples from a middle-class home could consider matrimony.

“We cannot blame the average guy for not being romantic when he puts the importance of a flat application above popping the question,” said Tey Siew Wee.

“For the young couple, buying a flat can be financially daunting. So, why do Singaporeans marry older and older? It doesn’t take a genius to figure out why.”

Increased public outbursts against the foreign influx have produced results, at least temporarily.

The issue threatens to become the hottest in coming elections expected within the next few months.

It could erode the government’s two-thirds support among Singaporeans.

The government last week announced it had slashed by half the number of new permanent residents to 29,265 last year from 59,460 in 2009.

There are cynics, however, who believe the cut-back is only temporary and will be restored after the elections –- if the ruling PAP is re-elected.

A strong hint of this came from Deputy Prime Minister Wong Kan Seng.

Singapore must accept that boosting fertility would take time, and immigration is still needed for the foreseeable future, he said.
 

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Sinkies spend too much time fucking prostitutes and have nothing left for their wives when they get home.
 

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any good intro???
 

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any good intro???

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Any good intro?? numbers of HC close shop liao... think Garfement is trying to save monies for me...:biggrin::biggrin:
 

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Sinkies spend too much time fucking prostitutes and have nothing left for their wives when they get home.

But its the PAP that lets in all these prostitutes en masse, through the machinations of the ICA. If there were no prostitutes in singapore, the males would have to fcuk their wives.
 

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Check out the Canada Immigration website http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.asp
And do the skills assessment test to see whether you can each score 67 points or more....note by taking a short converational course in French can earn them two more points.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/assess/Education.asp


Education, Car, Home, Food, Jobs, Lifestyle, compare them and do you still want to continue to be a 3rd class SUCKER in Singapore?


In the last 5 years there is a exodus of Singaporeans to Edmonton, Alberta and I am sure the other major western countries will see even bigger number. Many countries like Canada and Australia would not officially admit but if given a choice they will choose the Singaporeans over most other nationalities to immigrate into their countries for obvious reasons.
Once you become a PR, you must get your parents along immediately as we have universal health and hospitalization is free, not like those "subsidized" expensive hospitals in Singapore.


If your parents continue to live in Singapore, ask them whether they can see much cheaper hospital bills 20 years done the road? In 1990, a a year before I immigrated to Canada, I saw my special needs daughter's hospital bill suddenly shot up after they "privatized" the Singapore General Hospital. We knew this is the sign of things to come 20 years from then, so my wife and I got to give up all our self-employed businesses and immigrated to Canada to rough it out.


We could have remain in Singapore can earn at least $250,000 per year of combined income but I might have ended up screwing our maid and my now 14 year old son will have to serve the "boys scout" army 4 years from now and then imprison by another 13 to 15 years of reservist liabilities and live in the fear of losing out to the FT for jobs.
We are not rich in money now, but we are happy as a FREE family and oh I forgot to add....this Friday my son is going SNOWBOARDING with his school.....what's more, he has his full set of equipment.


Testimony of Alberta Education....my son hardly has homework even at age 14 grade 9 and they can choose elective subjects of their choice according to their interest.
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/looks+lessons+from+Alberta+education+system/4081411/story.html


Cars in Edmonton...no silly COE and no road tax.
http://www.webermotorsltd.com/inventory/search/class/new/make/Mercedes-Benz/model/B-Class/
http://www.mayfieldtoyota.ca/new.html

If you can afford a 3-room flat in Singapore, you can afford to buy a "bungalow" in Edmonton!
http://homes.point2.com/CA/Alberta/Edmonton-Real-Estate.aspx
http://www.edmontonhomesforsale.biz/

Food
http://www.realcanadiansuperstore.ca/LCLOnline/?storeId=872

Jobs and US$9 TRILLION oil sand...3 times more than Saudi:
http://edmontonjobs.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=excuFP8JQHE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro0LWXPlTSA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALCTOs2zakc&feature=related
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athabasca_oil_sands
http://www.canada.com/Business/Nexen+Opti+Canada+targeted+sands+deals/1461208/story.html?id=1461208
http://www.energy.gov.ab.ca/OurBusiness/oilsands.asp

Our city and playground
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Edmonton
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Edmonton_Mall
http://www.discovertherockies.com/

Join the thousands of ex-Singaporeans who had pick up to courage to break out of the PAP brainwashing machine and seek for themselves and children real freedom just to be HUMANS....not super human....just ordinary HUMANS and citizens who are appreciated and protected by the government and not scolded, lectured on and even replaced by the PAP govt. We realize that if our fore parents dare to immigrate to Singapore why we do not dare to emigrate out?

Do you know that a falcon can fly up to 200 miles per hour (wikipedia)? But if you put a 6' by 6' fence round it, even with the top OPEN, the falcon cannot fly out! They need the space to "take off". The PAP govt. through all the brainwashing (called social engineering) in pre-kindergarten to the army to work place and whole society via Straits Times, has placed the fence round you and all other Singaporean FALCONS.......they have limited your space to take off. Even now the top is opened.... you are free to go and not lock up like in Cuba or North Korea, do Singaporeans dare to think seriously to immigrate, let alone try to your extend now.

I feel sad for them and for you. Many of you do not know see the fence and worse do not know you have the power to fly like a falcon! It simply breaks my heart to see fellow human beings being reduced to such a stage and trapped with those HDB, car loan, fear of a FT taking over your job and then join the rat race to success which will lead them to be a better RAT.....yea still a successFOOL rat.
Or after work you just lock yourself in your room to listen to old CDs so as to shield from the rapid changes and stressful life in SINKgaPOOR. Stop lying to yourself, stop being depressed by the Singpaore system. Singapore has let you down. Singapore does not deserve to have you and me.

Thanks for giving me the honour to pull the fence apart and lead you to discover that you can now take off and fly like a falcon to Canada and land as a sheep to roam nature. It's now up to you to take the calculated risk.
"Courage is not the absence of fear; courage is ACT despite fear."
What are you waiting for?
Welcome to Canada!

Bernard CHAN
9090-51 Ave
Edmonton, AB Canada T6E 5X4
 

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(Fertility schemes implemented late so... ) "Too early to review fertility schemes":

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(Fertility schemes implemented late so... ) "Too early to review fertility schemes": DPM Wong

By Evelyn Choo | Posted: 18 February 2011 1541 hrs
SINGAPORE: Schemes to boost Singapore's fertility rate will be reviewed when the time is right, said Deputy Prime Minister Wong Kan Seng.
Mr Wong said this in response to a question in parliament from MPs, who wanted to know what new strategies the government will pursue to increase the fertility rate among Singaporeans.
The country's Total Fertility Rate (TFR) hit an all-time low of 1.16 last year.
Mr Wong, who is also the minister in charge of population issues, said it is too early to assess the effectiveness of the current schemes, as they have only been in place for two-and-a half years.
The schemes include the Baby Bonus package, increased maternity and childcare leave, as well as higher childcare subsidies.
"I think the issue is far more complex than putting in more money or encouraging people to have babies," Mr Wong said.
"And as Mr Hri Kumar pointed out, we have certainly seen a change in values and mindset in the way people perceive marriage and having children.
"We know some people who can well afford to have many children, but they have very few. And some who can't afford to have children, and they have many. So when we deal with human beings, talking about emotions and peoples' needs, I don't think there's a single answer to deal with this issue."
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1111547/1/.html
-CNA/wk


End-notes/ References:
- 'A first class government': "Unless there is a first class political leadership and judiciary, the Civil Service, however capable and dedicated will not be able to function properly." PM Lee [ST23Mar2007] ... A first class government that 'pilfers' public funds to fund its private partisan activities under the guise of the PA:
- 'How PAP uses taxpayer-funded grassroots for political gain': "The People’s Association (PA) [pict][URL], ..Like all other stat boards, it receives a yearly grant from the government to run its programmes and cover operational costs.. It spent a total of $320 million last year. However unlike most stat boards, whose chairmen are usually the permanent secretary of the parent ministry or some other senior civil servant, PA’s chairman is none other than the Prime Minister [pict]. .. No other public sector board in Singapore has so many “Men in White” on it...The de facto leader of all the CCCs, CCMCs, RCs and NCs in each constituency is known as the “adviser to the grassroots organisations (GROs)”. ... In PAP constituencies, PA always appoints the elected MP as the adviser. But in opposition wards, PA appoints the PAP candidate who lost in the last election, not the opposition MP" [G Giam, 10Oct2009].

- '‘Adviser over MP’ raises many questions': "PAP MPs are appointed as advisers to the grassroots organisations in their wards by the People’s Association (PA). In the two opposition wards, the PA picked the PAP candidates who contested but lost in the wards in the last two polls as the grassroots advisers." [ST, 22Oct2009][alt link]
 

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The three share a common trait. Low population, high immigration.

Is S'pore heading towards extinction?
Singapore’s low fertility: A spreading scourge

By Seah Chiang Nee
http://sg.yfittopostblog.com/2011/01/26/singapores-low-fertility-a-spreading-scourge/

This makes Singapore the third least fertile of 225 countries in the world, with its citizens producing one baby for every two needed to replace themselves. Only two other places are less fertile than Singapore –- Hong Kong (1.04) and Macau (0.91).

At this rate, Singapore would become extinct without outsiders replenishing the population.
 

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Singapore, HK and Macau - Confucian stock. Throw China in there and the picture is complete.

The problem with Chink fertility levels is Ah Beng, who spends all his time fucking prostutites.
 
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Forvendet

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Singapore, HK and Macau - Confucian stock. Throw China in there and the picture is complete.

The problem with Chink fertility levels is Ah Beng, who spends all his time fucking prostutites.

Singapore is no Confucian stock, including the Chinese. The Confucian idea was brought up GCT in the 90s for political purposes.
 

yellow_people

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Singapore is no Confucian stock, including the Chinese. The Confucian idea was brought up GCT in the 90s for political purposes.

Confucian stock refers to the Chinese stock. It is no coincidence that countries with the worst in fertility are homogeneously Chinese or have a overwhelming Chinese population as is the case in Singapore.



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Confucian stock refers to the Chinese stock. It is no coincidence that countries with the worst in fertility are homogeneously Chinese or have a overwhelming Chinese population as is the case in Singapore.



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Chinese are still the most populous in the world if you're talking about fertility.
 
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