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http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/12/09/death-hard-drive-cloud-google-chrome/

The Death of the Hard Drive

By Jeremy A. Kaplan
Published December 09, 2010
| FoxNews.com

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<!-- /hmedia --> Stop worrying about when the hard drive in your computer will die. Google wants to kill it permanently anyway.
The new Google Chrome operating system, which was unveiled Tuesday, as well as hints and suggestions from Apple and Microsoft, offers us a preview of the PC of the future. And it will come without that familiar whirring disk that has been the data heart of the PC for the past 25 years.
The Chrome OS will at first be available on all-black laptops from Samsung and Acer. And because the new platform stores everything -- files, applications, data bits and bytes, literally everything -- on online servers rather than on your home or office PC, those new PCs running it won't require gobs of storage. In fact, they won't require any storage at all.
The new Google laptops come without hard drives, in other words.
Other hardware manufacturers have seen the trend, too: The ebook readers from Amazon and Barnes & Noble don't have hard drives. (And digital books you buy from Google's brand new eBooks store are stored online as well.) The Apple iPad has no drive, and the newest MacBook Air laptop skips a hard drive entirely as well; they all rely on flash memory chips for storage.
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Is this the end of the hard disk? Will all computers eventually be just like the MacBook or Google's notebooks -- think soldered memory chips, not spinning metal platters.
"For the first 35 years of the PC revolution, the answer to the question 'How much storage do you need?' was basically 'As much as you can get!'" said Harry McCracken, the former editor in chief of PC World and head of the Technologizer.com blog. "That's finally starting to change, thanks to cloud-based repositories for music, video, personal files, and the like," he told FoxNews.com.
It's all about "the cloud," the generic term for storing data online and off your computer. E-mail apps from Yahoo and G-mail and Hotmail kicked off cloud computing, since the e-mail application you're running and the data you're accessing is all stored online. It's reliable, easy to access and convenient ... so for data in general, why store it on your desktop PC at all?
Google's Chrome operating system takes that idea and runs with it -- down the street, up the next block, and straight on into the sunset. The Chrome OS assumes you’re always in your browser -- which is the access point for most of your files anyway, right? Web pages, e-mails, documents on Google Docs, photos stored at Flickr, video chats, streaming music from Pandora and on and on. Think about it: Most of what you do is online, isn't it?
"Today’s operating systems were designed in an era where there was no web," Google spokesman Eitan Bencuya told FoxNews.com. "Google Chrome OS is designed for people who spend most of their time on the web. It’s our attempt to re-think what operating systems should be."
Skip the traditional desktop and save time, simplicity and memory, Google argues. And because it doesn’t load a bunch of background stuff, Chrome OS boots almost instantly. Demos Google show the Chrome OS booting in 7 seconds or less -- significantly faster than traditional operating systems from Microsoft and Apple.
And since there's no data stored on your computer, PCs running the Chrome OS won't need a hard drive. How will other OS makers react? Apple hasn't announced plans to make its computer OS run from the cloud like Chrome, but there are hints: The latest ultrathin computer from the stylish fruity company has no hard drive whatsoever.
"As interesting as what it has is what it doesn't have," CEO Steve Jobs said when he unveiled the computer in October. By going with flash memory, Jobs claimed that the new MacBook Air would be 80% smaller, two times faster, and more reliable -- and like an iPad, it would turn on instantly, rather than booting up as other computers do. More reasons to ditch the hard drive!
As tablets and ebooks become more prevalent, we'll see more devices and fewer hard drives, agrees Ross Rubin, director of industry analysis for NPD data.
"The more mobile the device is, the less opportunity there will be for hard drives in those devices," Rubin told FoxNews.com, though he cautioned that the transformation to a hard drive-free world won't be an overnight change.
Microsoft seems to agree. The company official declined to respond to FoxNews.com requests for information, but widely repeated remarks from the software giant indicate that the company has plans similar to those Google built into Chrome; Windows 8 will be based on cloud storage as well, said Rajan Anandan of Microsoft India, though probably not as completely as Google's operating system.
"We believe the cloud is the future and cloud will help accelerate Microsoft’s revenues and profit growth," Anandan said. "Anything and everything that MS offers can be delivered over the cloud."
"All new products from here on will be offered over the cloud, as well as on-premise. That’s a core strategy that we have adopted now," he added.
Windows 8 has no official launch date, though if Microsoft keeps to typical release schedules, it should debut sometime in late 2012. That slow progress is key, Rubin said, because the hard drive won't be chucked in the bin overnight.
"It can be effective for 'lightweight' data such as text and contacts -- and an effective way to combat piracy via streaming movie services -- but it is still financially challenging to move huge volumes of personal media such as photos and videos to cloud-based storage," Rubin told FoxNews.com.
"Even handsets still ship with gigabytes of data, as wireless networks still lack the speed and prevalence to deliver everything we want everywhere we want it." He's right. It'll take time to completely eliminate an industry that sells billions of units per year.
"I don't see hard disks becoming irrelevant in the short-term future," Rubin added. "Streaming still has its downsides -- for one thing, it eats up battery life like crazy. And wireless carriers are trying to nudge people to data plans that put a cap on usage, which means you can't keep humongous files in the cloud without keeping tabs on how much data you've downloaded."
Yes, the cloud may be the future, but hard drives will still persist -- they're just too deeply ingrained in what we do, at least for the time being. And even if they are ultimately pulled from computers, hard disks could persist, just not in a format we're used to. After all, even data and content online has to live somewhere, doesn't it?
"All that data stored in the cloud isn't on droplets of airborne water," Rubin joked.
"It's stored on hard drives."

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singveld

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what does online server use to store data?

eh.....

what does the cloud server use to store data? harddisk!

anyway all sound great. But what if the grid go off, no power, no internet? Like during war or global event? what then. we all stop work and do nothing?
 

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I am not so agreeable to having everything on web & in this aspect not expecting majority to prefer what Google is proposing. Basically, what Google is saying implied that you DIE when you have no web. Totally unacceptable. However I still think that flash memory will cause HDD to lose out their position in Desktops & Laptops / Notebooks, for simply that flash is faster and cheaper and lighter these days.

To spin the HDD drive and rapidly actuate their read-write heads COST TOO MUCH TIME & ENERGY.

Flash is so cheap and fast and popular that less than US$2 of flash is sufficient to boot up computers to have COMPLETELY functional OS & Office Applications, and faster than HDD via USB3 / SATA3.
 

uncleyap

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Re: what does online server use to store data?

eh.....

what does the cloud server use to store data? harddisk!

anyway all sound great. But what if the grid go off, no power, no internet? Like during war or global event? what then. we all stop work and do nothing?


These days, HDD companies survived mainly on selling SURPLUS storage that you DON'T NEED / NEVER USE. Lots of people have hundreds of GB EMPTY SPACE!

& Flash drove the HDD prices down to SG$0.11/GB (I got yesterday $55 for Seagate 500GB)

In the servers, the wastage of these UNUSED HDD space will be much less. Server use different class of HDD. Once out of consumer market the HDD business scenario will be totally different. Servers can also use flash for faster performance and more energy savings, as flash prices are so much reduced.
:wink:
 

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Technically, HD will be phase out by SSD like thumbdrive have done to floppy 3.5"/5.25".

Online storage is still a personal preference for data backup. To be able to overwrite the role of personal storage, a lot to be done to justify and proof its worthiness when come to disaster recovery and personal security.

IMO, the foxnews artical is just a kind of advertisement masquerade as technical writing.
 

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Re: what does online server use to store data?

These days, HDD companies survived mainly on selling SURPLUS storage that you DON'T NEED / NEVER USE. Lots of people have hundreds of GB EMPTY SPACE!

& Flash drove the HDD prices down to SG$0.11/GB (I got yesterday $55 for Seagate 500GB)

In the servers, the wastage of these UNUSED HDD space will be much less. Server use different class of HDD. Once out of consumer market the HDD business scenario will be totally different. Servers can also use flash for faster performance and more energy savings, as flash prices are so much reduced.
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Old fucking retard

Only people who live low quality lives like you have lots of HDD space left.

I have tonnes of HD videos of my baby boy and girl and my beautiful wife that I need more than 4TB to store/backup the videos alone.

Losers like you with no beautiful children and wife will only need 4GB.

The memory you have of yourself is your pathetic moment with Geylang prostitutes
:oIo::oIo::oIo:
 

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In the advent of PC prepped for cloud computing, hard disk markets will just move from retail to industrial sales. Won't be surprised if some Wall Steet guy commoditizes HDD like DRAMs.
 

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Technically, HD will be phase out by SSD like thumbdrive have done to floppy 3.5"/5.25".

Online storage is still a personal preference for data backup. To be able to overwrite the role of personal storage, a lot to be done to justify and proof its worthiness when come to disaster recovery and personal security.

IMO, the foxnews artical is just a kind of advertisement masquerade as technical writing.

If you store all your stuff online, would it be unsafe and people can peek into what you have.
 

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This no harddisk, net only thingy is a dangerous thing for Singaporeans given we travel a lot for work. Most places we go are still in the developing stage. Try getting broadband in Lao or India or Myanmar. It is a fanciful product, an interesting concept but not practical.
 

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If you store all your stuff online, would it be unsafe and people can peek into what you have.

I wouldn't do that. Reason is once I type my name in google search and it show a sorted list of what I have done in the internet, I can't imagine all the classified info I stored in online storage been exposed to the public.

On a side note, once the storage company has accumulated enough contents from the public, they may make blackmail us for higher price/MB. No way should I place myself in this situation.
 

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I was reading on the Chrome OS Laptop frankly speaking the thing is out too early for its time. The laptop will not work in just about every freaking country in the work outside US/Europe and a few countries in Asia. Good luck trying to get an active link in freaking India!!!! Internet connection speeds in most countries in Asia(with the exception of SG, Taiwan, HK, JP and some parts of China) is still generally not good enough to be able to support something like that. The vast majority of the world is still not hooked up to the internet yet. Then again, Google like so many other American companies probably considers US as the entire World
 

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I wouldn't do that. Reason is once I type my name in google search and it show a sorted list of what I have done in the internet, I can't imagine all the classified info I stored in online storage been exposed to the public.

On a side note, once the storage company has accumulated enough contents from the public, they may make blackmail us for higher price/MB. No way should I place myself in this situation.

Yes, i have thought of that as well. This concept might take sometime to sink in to others. Or they might need to create another way to deal with the storage.

I like the idea of storing info in my thumbdrive if they can make a 20 gig thumb drives.
 

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When HDDs got out of consumer market and become a professional industrial product the development and packaging (form factor) will be entirely different. Surely will not produce e.g. 2.5" 1.8" (laptop) models. I can say even 3.5" are too small.

When being designed and built for data-center or enterprise SAN, HDDs have to be of larger diameters and spins at higher RPM. There should be multiple read-write head assemblies over every platter. There need not be the consumer based features e.g. to support laptop battery life.

All of them should be RAID integrated that parity and rebuilding (RAID re-gen) should be done by hard-logic meaning no CPU cycle needed. Number of read-write heads should dramatically increase to eliminate the need of excessive head movement, so that no head need to cover a cylinder range requiring it to travel more than say 1cm.

The current HDDs concept resemble grand-father's long play record turn table with one arm to cover from inner most to outer most areas, too primitive! :p

If they made HDD platter 10" with a grid of 48 heads on each side each responsible for only few mm of travel distance, with some overlap coverage and redundancy, the performance will be very impressive. Head motors can be very tiny and light thus fast. It will be more reliable that when some heads are dead you are still alive. This way, the data center disks would be sizes of pizza boxes, with fiber optics linking them from drive bays to SAN controller rack.

The following data center hosts WIKILEAK @ undergroud defense shelter::wink:

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all nice and cushy in the ideal world...ur device is small and handy...even a mobile phone can be used like a laptop...doing complex tasks...

but hey no....i prefer my prawn movies on my hdd...safer...there is wikileaks around...

hey no...i dun want to be held hostage by sinktel and shithub that can charge me exoribitant fees or allow garment agencies to access my data / activities on line...

hey no...i dun trust those cloud thingys...if they close shop...i how?
 

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Organisations like MINDEF will never allow storage of their sensitive data on something controlled by a 3rd party :smile:

When a HDD needs to be replaced MINDEF will insist on keeping the defective HDD.
 

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Will it choke the Internet, even if Goggle have distributed their servers in all countries?

And will it hasten all ISPs to charge you by bandwidth usage!

:mad:
 

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Re: what does online server use to store data?

These days, HDD companies survived mainly on selling SURPLUS storage that you DON'T NEED / NEVER USE. Lots of people have hundreds of GB EMPTY SPACE!

& Flash drove the HDD prices down to SG$0.11/GB (I got yesterday $55 for Seagate 500GB)

In the servers, the wastage of these UNUSED HDD space will be much less. Server use different class of HDD. Once out of consumer market the HDD business scenario will be totally different. Servers can also use flash for faster performance and more energy savings, as flash prices are so much reduced.
:wink:

U know any lobang for SSD drive for laptops?
 

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Re: what does online server use to store data?


Old fucking retard

Only people who live low quality lives like you have lots of HDD space left.

I have tonnes of HD videos of my baby boy and girl and my beautiful wife that I need more than 4TB to store/backup the videos alone.

Losers like you with no beautiful children and wife will only need 4GB.

The memory you have of yourself is your pathetic moment with Geylang prostitutes
:oIo::oIo::oIo:
Typical lame ass PAP Ah Beng!

Got no brains and brag useless craps.:biggrin: You wrongly assumed that people think highly of you just because you brag that you have lots of data in your drives? :p:biggrin:

Typically lame PAP. :rolleyes: BENG!
 
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