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senatorabudelai

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I think you are in the wrong forum, if you think you can blindly quote statistics to glorify the local education system.

I will concede that local education (up till Secondary School) does has its merits (sort of) as it provides a strong foundation in the Maths & Science in comparison to other nations. However, in line with the unique Singapore style of "starting out first and ending up last", the same can be applied to local education. If Singapore education is so damn good, tell me why NUS and NTU degrees are always second to overseas tertiary education, including the University of California where there are so many illiterates in that state as you claim. Anyone who is familiar with Maths & Science will know that NUS & NTU is pure shit when it comes to this field.

Singapore education system is nothing but a brute force anomaly. If you drill a bunch of kids in Maths & Science for hours on... of course they will fucking top the international scores compared to other countries' kids who don't get that much drilling! Duh!!!

If you want to compare how good the education system is, you should normalize the "performance/grade output" with the "time input". How much time does a Sinkie need to achieve an A grade in the exam vs another student overseas? What's the point of a local education system if it teaches you to work 100hrs to get an A vs. another overseas system that teaches you to get a B in 10hrs?!

I think you *are* the retarded brainwashed drone here...

What a stupid argument. NTU and NUS are ranked top 80(?) in the real world but in your world they are not good enough for you.

In the real world, numerous education surveys show that Singapore ranks number 1,2 in terms of math and science but in your world you think that other countries spend less time studying and get better grades, while they all somehow rank far below Singapore in the real world.

I think Singaporeans actually do better at the Cambridge exams than British students. Both do the same exams papers. Singaporean kids score higher marks for English on average as well.

Hey rocket man, time to come down to Earth. How long have you been in orbit?
 

AndromedaAsc

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What a stupid argument. NTU and NUS are ranked top 80(?) in the real world but in your world they are not good enough for you.

In the real world, numerous education surveys show that Singapore ranks number 1,2 in terms of math and science but in your world you think that other countries spend less time studying and get better grades, while they all somehow rank far below Singapore in the real world.

I think Singaporeans actually do better at the Cambridge exams than British students. Both do the same exams papers. Singaporean kids score higher marks for English on average as well.

Hey rocket man, time to come down to Earth. How long have you been in orbit?

Yes, a 80-ish ranking is considered shit actually, in case you were not aware of it. At that rank (anything below 50), it's basically classified as a so-so research university.

Here's the rankings for local universities (source: http://www.arwu.org/)

Natural Sciences and Mathematics - 2009: NUS (77-101), NTU (Unranked)
Life and Agriculture Sciences - 2009: NUS (Unranked), NTU (Unranked)
Clinical Medicine and Pharmacy - 2009: NUS (77-101), NTU (Unranked)
Social Sciences - 2009: NUS (Unranked), NTU (Unranked)
Engineering/Technology and Computer Sciences - 2009: NUS (21), NTU (Unranked)

With the exception of Engineering & Comp. Sci which NUS has a remarkable ranking of 21 (makes me wonder if it was a mistake?), everything else in NUS is shit including the touted life sciences. NTU doesn't even appear of the Top 100 so it's basically worthless. To sum it up, NTU is a backwater university and NUS (except Engineering & Comp. Sci) is a so-so to backwater university.

Yes... Singaporeans do score better than the Brits in Cambridge exams... so bloody what? How much time & effort was placed in achieving that score? As I said, if you do not normalize the output by the number of hours the student places into his study, your statistics claim is just bullshit. If you want to do a proper comparison, you'll need to have at least some basis of comparison and controlled parameters.

In education, at the most basic level, it is not about *how much* you know but rather *how fast* you learn. Knowledge is infinite and changes all the time, the speed at which you learn is more important than how much fluff you cram into your brain.
 

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Actually, the NUS Engineering & Comp Sci ranking of 21st worldwide may be inflated.

Ranking is broadly based on 3 criteria according to their methodology:
1) Score on HiCi: How many "big shots" the institution has in the field
2) Score on PUB: How many papers the institution publishes
3) Score on TOP: How many *quality* papers the institution publishes

If you observe NUS scores, it only has 20 pts for HiCi, 85 pts on PUB and 89 pts on TOP. If you compare NUS scores with those at 20-50ish, most universities have a much lower PUB score but much higher HiCi score and comparable TOP score. To translate this, it means that lower ranked universities publish less papers but produce a larger proportion of quality work. They also have more key players in the field than NUS. This also means that NUS produces quantity but not quality.

To illustrate my point, Harvard is ranked 38th, and has 55 pts for HiCi, 47 pts for PUB and 99 pts on TOP. So, the only reason why NUS is ranked so high is because it has an anomalously large PUB score, in fact NUS PUB score is higher than the unis ranked 1st to 19th!!!

In academia and research, quality is more recognized than quantity.
 

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You are just a rabid space monkey. NUS is ranked 30th in world under Times Universities ranking, NTU is ranked 73th. 30th rank is ivy league + russell group territory. If it is not good enough for a space monkey like you, stay in orbit. Amazing how you can even bs about a university producing a large number of research papers. That is a good thing yet you can make it sound like a bad thing.

Singaporeans are outscoring the British in Cambridge exams. That is a good thing yet you go on your tirade of more bs about how putting in effort is bad.

Singapore is a country of 3 million plus citizens. All the local universities are top 100. Science and Math TMSS ranks it number 1,2 in the world. English wise, the country has produced the best speakers for world's debating championship a few times, and is top 5 english debating countries in the world. Amazing for population of 3 million plus citizens.

shut up and go back into your space shuttle before i take away your bananas.
 

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Notable Singaporean English debators, writers and news broadcasters
Singapore is known as a debating powerhouse and is one of the most successful teams at the World Schools Debating Championships, often finishing as runner up and semi finalist in the competition. Singapore has also found success at the World Universities Debating Championships, which is widely regarded as the most prestigious debating tournament in the world.[36] Since the competition began in 1981, three Singaporeans have won the "Best Speaker" crown: Li Shengwu (2009), Chitra Jenardhanan (1995) amd Tan Wu Meng (2003). All Asian winners of the "Best Speaker" crown have been from Singapore. Despite Singapore's small population of 5 million people, Singapore is ranked fourth in terms of "Best Speaker" winners; behind Australia, Canada and England.[37]

Many international news agencies employ Singaporeans. Internationally known Singaporean news broadcasters include Lian Pek (CNN anchor, CNBC, Al jazeera).[38] and Sharanjit Leyl(CBC,BBC)[39].

Singapore has also produced a few renowned writers such as Dr Catherine Lim and Edwin Thumboo
 

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Notable Singaporean English debators, writers and news broadcasters
Singapore is known as a debating powerhouse and is one of the most successful teams at the World Schools Debating Championships,

Sinkies perform well in competitions but fall short in the real world.

EG: Vivian Balakrishnan was excellent in school and varsity debates but talks absolute cock as a Minister.

In science and technology, the situation was similar. I had engineers with honors degrees who were stumped by problems that cropped up regularly in the manufacturing world. We found over time that poly grads were far more value for money.
 

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Not to forget the total screw up by the Goh's super systems engineers who only knew how to calculate with digits but didnt know how to deal with human beings.

Sinkies perform well in competitions but fall short in the real world.

EG: Vivian Balakrishnan was excellent in school and varsity debates but talks absolute cock as a Minister.

In science and technology, the situation was similar. I had engineers with honors degrees who were stumped by problems that cropped up regularly in the manufacturing world. We found over time that poly grads were far more value for money.
 

kingrant

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Why don't you answer my question: how plently Singaporean native English speakers you talking about?

You are the first person who thinks Sinkies with their tattle talk better than HKies? Have you actually tried to engage a street Sinkie via a simple street interview? The HKy anytime beats the Sinkie hands down, including you.


This is the first time I heard someone say that Hong Kongers speak better English than Singaporeans. Maybe it is about time you get your schizophrenia diagnosed.
 

senatorabudelai

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Here's a thought. If Singaporeans really fall short in the real world, then why are Countries such as NZ/AUS around 50 years behind SIngapore in terms of technology, infrastructure and engineering?

Best answer wins a banana.
 
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IWC2006

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You might want to pull your head out of your ass. Most international surveys place Singapore's education in top 5. The Americans are trying to emulate Singapore's education system. Jim Rogers and many foreigners move to Singapore because of it has an excellent education system for their kids. Singapore's education is stressful but it is top in the world. Lets not forget Singaporeans are marked at Cambridge standard for O, A levels. They sit for the same exams as the British, scripts are flown to Cambridge to be marked and examiners are flown in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trends_in_International_Mathematics_and_Science_Study
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There are Singaporeans who speak bad broken pidgin English as they normally have another first language, no one is denying that. But there are plently of Singaporean native English speakers. This is the same in every English speaking countries and global cities anyway. 23% of people in California lack basic literacy skills. You can walk an entire street of New York and not hear a single person speak in English.

Frankly you sound like some ignorant brain washed drone.>>

You are either very igorant or stupid, chose to believe in wiki(which can be edited or posted by literally anyone who can type) or some hideous survey no one bothers to read.

The fact remains Singapore is not regarded as a English-speaking country. For immigration or academic admission purposes to the western countries. A Singaporean who unfortunately graduated from the world-class NUS or NTU degree, is still expected to pass a English language test to get admission. Only applicants from US, Uk, Ireland, Canada (French province excluded), Australia, NZ are exempted. So, a PRC with a substandard English skills but graduated from a US, Uk or Australian university would still be perceived as higher English language than a Sporean with local education qualification. Reality check is always painful isn't it?

Haha.....u really are very very stupid (brainwashed by PAP I reckon?). Do you really believe the Americans will emulate the education system from Singapore? In your wildest dream. Why on earth a 330 million populated first world country like America will listen to a pseudo-western Asian country like Singapore? Use your brain, almost all the top universities in the world are based in the US and do you know how many Nobel prizes they have won? Singapore -none. Can you seriously say the American education system has flaws and require help from the little red dot country which she can't even take care of her own citizens?

Many countries are moving away from the British system(which Singapore's education was built) and adopted the American educations system. Even Australian universities are moving to that direction. Eg. The Melbourne University model has transformed into a American style postgraduate system.

So what Sporean send their scripts to Cambridge to mark, so are HK, Sri Lanka, Brunei and many South East Asian countries? They are still regarded as non-English speaking country(including Singapore just in case you still don't know). They still speak broken English, they still are not being understood by people who speak proper English.

Walking in entire street of NY you don't hear a word of English - so? Is the same at Chinatown in San Francisco, Crabamatta in Sydney, Soho in London. It doesn't mean people in San Franciso or Sydney or London don't speak good English. Your argument is ridiciously weak, and sorry, Singapore is still a non-English speaking country, and they are widely regard as speaking mediocre English. The truth hurts, I know. I guess you never been out of Singapore ..haha :biggrin:
 

IWC2006

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Here's a thought. If Singaporeans really fall short in the real world, then why are Countries such as NZ/AUS around 50 years behind SIngapore in terms of technology, infrastructure and engineering?

Best answer wins a banana.

You are very stupid. If Australia or NZ is 50 years behind Singapore in terms of technology, I won't be using the internet replying your post now. When was internet becoming commerically available - early 90s?

Australia though pales in comparison to US, have had produced 10 nobel prize winners, with 9 in science & medicine.
You obviously is the AussiePrank aka Shockshit disguise in another nick.haha.

for your reading pleasure.

Australia's Nobel Prize winners
Australia’s Nobel Prize winners reflect the nation’s strong record of innovation and scientific achievement. Of the 10 Nobel Prizes generally accepted as having been awarded to Australians since 1915, nine were for science or medicine and one was for literature. Another eight people with links to Australia have won Nobel Prizes, five of them for science or medicine.

Australian scientific and medical breakthroughs recognised with Nobel Prizes include the analysis of crystals using X-rays; the development of penicillin; the discovery of acquired immunological tolerance; research on how nerves and the brain work; and the discovery of a bacterium and its role in gastritis and peptic ulcers.

Australian scientists are also being increasingly recognised within Australia. From 2005 to 2007, all three people selected as Australians of the Year were scientists. In 2005, the award went to Dr Fiona Wood, who developed a revolutionary spray-on skin for burn victims. In 2006, clinical immunologist Professor Ian Frazer was named Australian of the Year for developing a vaccine to prevent and treat cervical cancer. And in 2007, the award went to leading environmental scientist Professor Tim Flannery. The award is made each year on Australia Day (26 January).

In 1988, Professor Frank Fenner, one of Australia’s outstanding scientists, was jointly awarded the Japan Prize for his work in eradicating small pox. The Japan Prize is regarded as the equivalent of the Nobel Prize, except that it is for applied science. And in 2006, a young Australian-born mathematician, Professor Terence Tao, who has been described as a ‘supreme problem solver’, was awarded the Fields Medal—regarded by many as the mathematics equivalent of the Nobel Prize.

How many Australian laureates?
With a population of just over 21 million, Australia is one of the leading Nobel Prize–winning countries in per capita terms. Yet there is no simple answer to the question of exactly how many Nobel laureates Australia has produced. Although there are 10 laureates who are generally regarded as being ‘Australian’, there are a number of other awardees with close links to Australia.

A 2004 exhibition, Australia and the Nobel Prize, which was developed by Australia’s National Portrait Gallery, listed 16 Nobel Prize winners with connections to Australia, including one who was born in Australia but left at the age of seven and another who took up Australian citizenship during a three-year period in Australia. Another four laureates studied or taught in Australia. Since the exhibition, two more Australians have been awarded Nobel Prizes (for medicine, in 2005). The following information is drawn from the Portrait Gallery’s biographical notes and other sources.

Australia’s Nobel Prize winners
William Bragg and Lawrence Bragg
William Bragg and his son Lawrence Bragg—jointly awarded the prize in physics in 1915 for their ‘services in the analysis of crystal structure by means of X-rays’.

Sir William Bragg (1862–1942) was born at Westward, Cumberland, and studied mathematics at Trinity College. In 1885, when he was just 23, he was elected to the new Chair of Mathematics and Experimental Physics at the University of Adelaide. In 1909 he returned to England with his wife and Adelaide-born family to take up the position of Cavendish Professor of Physics at Leeds.

Sir Lawrence Bragg (1890–1971) was born in Adelaide and educated at the Collegiate School of St Peter. He topped his final year and won a scholarship to the University of Adelaide, which he entered at the age of 15. In 1908 he took first-class honours in mathematics. When the family returned to Britain in 1909 he took up the study of physics at Trinity College, Cambridge.

Together, father and son initiated the field of X-ray crystallography. Their work on crystal structure opened a new branch of physics, with particular relevance for biology. Their experiments made it possible for biologists to determine the three-dimensional structure of proteins and to determine exactly how they worked at an atomic level. This knowledge led to the design of drugs tailored to the architecture of the protein at which they are directed.

Howard Florey
Sir Howard Walter Florey (1898–1968)—awarded the prize in physiology or medicine in 1945 ‘for the discovery of penicillin and its curative effect in various infectious diseases’.

Howard Florey was born in Adelaide and studied at the Collegiate School of St Peter and the University of Adelaide. After graduating in 1921, he went to Oxford on a Rhodes scholarship to study physiology. After transferring to Cambridge, he earned his PhD in 1927 and MA in 1928. From 1936 to 1962 he was Professor of Pathology at the Sir William Dunn School of Pathology at Oxford.

In 1938, Florey began building on earlier work by British scientist Alexander Fleming on the antibacterial action of a mould, Penicillium notatum. Working with Ernst Chaim, a refugee scientist, Florey investigated the biochemical properties of various antibacterial substances and selected penicillin as the most promising. Florey’s work turned penicillin into a practical drug that subsequently saved millions of lives. Florey, Chaim and Fleming were awarded the Nobel Prize for developing a substance of ‘immediate value to mankind’.

Sir Frank MacFarlane Burnet
Sir Frank MacFarlane Burnet (1899–1985)—awarded the prize in physiology or medicine in 1960 ‘for discovery of acquired immunological tolerance’.

Frank MacFarlane Burnet was born in Traralgon, Victoria, and was educated at Geelong College and the University of Melbourne, qualifying MBBS (Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Science) in 1922 and MD in 1924. Apart from a few years overseas, Burnet spent his entire career from 1923 onwards at the Walter and Eliza Hall Institute of Medical Research in Melbourne.

Burnet was twice nominated for the Nobel Prize for virology before he won it for immunology. He first speculated on antibody production in 1941, suggesting that animals became immunologically tolerant to antigens to which they were exposed in embryonic life, thus ‘learning’ in the womb to distinguish between foreign agents which had to be attacked, and self-substance which had to be left alone. English scientist Peter Medawar confirmed this experimentally and he and Burnet were jointly awarded the Nobel Prize.

Sir John Carew Eccles
Sir John Carew Eccles (1903–97)—awarded the prize in physiology or medicine in 1963 ‘for discoveries concerning the ionic mechanisms involved in excitation and inhibition in the peripheral and central portions of the nerve cell membrane’.

John Eccles was born in Melbourne and was educated at Warrnambool and Melbourne high schools and the University of Melbourne. In 1925, he graduated brilliantly and won a Rhodes scholarship to Magdalen College, Oxford, where he worked in the laboratory of renowned English neuroscientist Charles Sherrington.

Eccles had a life-long interest in the relationship between the mind and the brain. Before World War II, researchers had debated whether transmission at the junctions (synapses) between nerve cells in the central and peripheral nervous systems was chemical or electrical. Eccles conducted pioneering experiments which convinced him that synaptic transmission was chemically mediated. In 1952, he was appointed foundation Chair of Physiology at the John Curtin School of Medical Research in Canberra, where, with other colleagues, he concentrated on the biophysical aspects of synaptic transmission—work that culminated in his being jointly awarded the Nobel Prize.

Patrick White
Patrick White (1912–90)—awarded the prize in literature in 1973 ‘for an epic and psychological narrative art which has introduced a new continent into literature’.

Patrick White was born in London to Australian parents, both of whom came from wealthy farming families in the Hunter Valley, north of Sydney. White was educated at Moss Vale in New South Wales and in Britain, where he read literature at King’s College, Cambridge. He served as an intelligence officer in the Middle East and Africa during the war, returning to Australia at the end of the conflict. For much of his life, White was psychologically divided between Australia, Europe and England.

White’s early novels, including The Tree of Man (1955), Voss (1957) and Riders in the Chariot (1961), were critically acclaimed in Britain and the United States and quickly translated into other languages. In the early 1960s, he oversaw the debuts of a number of his plays, including The Ham Funeral (1961), The Season at Sarsparilla (1962), A Cheery Soul (1963) and A Night on Bald Mountain (1964). Later works included The Solid Mandala (1966), The Vivisector (1970), The Eye of the Storm (1973) and A Fringe of Leaves (1976).

Sir John Warcup Cornforth
Sir John Warcup Cornforth (1917–)—awarded the prize in chemistry in 1975 ‘for his work on the stereochemistry of enzyme-catalysed reactions’.

John Cornforth was born in Sydney and educated at Sydney Boys’ High School and the University of Sydney. He chose chemistry as his career and, although deaf from otosclerosis by the time he entered university at the age of 16, Cornforth graduated with first-class honours and the University Medal in 1937.

Cornforth took up a scholarship to work with Robert Robinson at Oxford, where he completed a doctorate on steroid synthesis. He later worked with Robinson on a successful chemical synthesis of cholesterol before turning to the work for which he was awarded the Nobel Prize—the biosynthesis of cholesterol from acetic acid.

Professor Peter Doherty
Professor Peter Doherty (1940–)—awarded the prize in physiology or medicine in 1996 ‘for discoveries concerning the specificity of the cell mediated immune defence’.

Peter Doherty was born in Brisbane, Queensland, and studied at Indooroopilly High School and the University of Queensland, where he did veterinary science. He gained a master’s degree in 1966 for research on leptospiriosis in cattle. He earned his PhD from the University of Edinburgh in 1970.

Doherty received the Nobel Prize with a Swiss colleague, Rolf Zinkernagel (see below), with whom he worked at the John Curtin School of Medical Research at the Australian National University from 1972 to 1975. Doherty carried out the immunopathology experiments while Zinkernagel, a PhD student at the time, undertook the in vitro work. Doherty and Zinkernagel discovered how killer T-cells, one of the building blocks of the immune system, recognise and destroy viruses. This led to a better understanding of auto-immune diseases such as multiple sclerosis and to treatments that increase the acceptance rate for organ transplants.

Professor Barry Marshall and Dr Robin Warren
Professor Barry Marshall and Dr Robin Warren—jointly awarded the prize in physiology or medicine in 2005 ‘for the discovery of the bacterium Helicobacter pylori and its role in gastritis and peptic ulcer disease’.

Robin Warren (1937–) was born in Adelaide, South Australia. He was educated at the Collegiate School of St Peter in Adelaide and studied medicine at the University of Adelaide. After working at the Royal Adelaide and Royal Melbourne Hospitals, he took up a pathology position at the Royal Perth Hospital in Western Australia in 1968.

Professor Barry Marshall (1951–) was born in Kalgoorlie in Western Australia and was educated at Newman College and the University of Western Australia. He graduated MBBS (Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Science) in 1975. In 1981 he transferred to the Royal Perth Hospital’s gastroenterology division, where he met Robin Warren.

Together, Warren and Marshall discovered Helicobacter pylori in 1982. They concluded that this bacterium—not stress—causes more than 90 per cent of duodenal ulcers and up to 80 per cent of peptic ulcers. Their work revolutionised the treatment of gastro-duodenal ulcers by enabling an antibiotic cure and has led to a significant reduction in the prevalence of gastric cancer.

Two ‘Australian’ laureates who undertook their work overseas
Aleksandr Prokhorov (1916–2002), who was born in Australia, was awarded the prize for physics in 1964. Prokhorov was born in Atherton, Queensland, after his parents were forced to leave Russia. The family returned to their homeland after the October Revolution, when Prokhorov was seven.

Bernard Katz (1911–2003), an Australian citizen, jointly won the prize for physiology or medicine in 1970. Katz, who was born in Germany, studied in London and went to Sydney in 1939 to work as a research fellow in John Eccles’ Sydney Hospital laboratory. In 1941 he took up Australian citizenship and joined the Royal Australian Air Force. However, his skills were sought by the laboratories of the Royal Society and he was repatriated to England, where he remained for the rest of his life.

Laureates with connections to Australia
Sir Robert Robinson (1886–1975) was awarded the prize for chemistry in 1947. Robinson, who was born in Derbyshire in Britain, was appointed the first Professor of Pure and Applied Organic Chemistry at the University of Sydney in 1912, at the age of 26. He remained there for three years before returning to Britain.

John Harsanyi (1920–2000) was jointly awarded the Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in memory of Alfred Nobel in 1994. Harsanyi, who was born in Budapest, fled Stalinist Hungary for Australia in 1950. He gained a master’s degree in economics at the University of Sydney and then worked at the University of Queensland and the Australian National University. He left Australia in 1956 for the United States.

Rolf Zinkernagel (1944–) was awarded the prize for physiology or medicine in 1996 jointly with Australian colleague Peter Doherty. Zinkernagel, who was born in Switzerland, took up a research position in 1973 at the John Curtin School of Medical Research at the Australian National University. In July 1975, he moved to the United States and four years later returned to Switzerland.

José Ramos-Horta (1949–), elected president of East Timor in 2007, was awarded the prize for peace in 1996. Ramos-Horta was born in Dili and studied there and in a number of other countries. From 1975 to 1999 he lived in Sydney and Lisbon. He founded and was a lecturer in the Diplomacy Training Program at the University of New South Wales.

Max Born (1882–1970) was jointly awarded the prize for physics in 1954. He was born and educated in Germany and migrated to Britain in 1933. One of his grandchildren, Olivia Newton-John, is one of Australia’s best-known expatriate entertainers.

John Maxwell Coetzee (1940–) was awarded the prize for literature in 2003. He was born in Cape Town, South Africa. A two-time Booker Prize winner, he migrated to Australia in 2002.

Key facts
Ten Nobel Prizes have been awarded to Australians.
Of the 10 prizes, nine were for science or medicine and one was for literature.
Two other Australians have won Nobel Prizes but conducted their work overseas.
Another four Nobel laureates have strong links to Australia.
 

kingrant

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I'll put yr arguments in reverse.

If NZ/Aus is around 50 years behind Singapore, why have they produced more talents on the world stage than Singapore?

The answer is that while Singaporeans were crunching numbers, becoming tech junkies, engineering robots and taking part in useless debates, AUS/NZ were spending worthwhile energies and time on real education for life.

If you still don't get it, go chew on yr banana and ponder over it. You need it more. Don't give it away.

Here's a thought. If Singaporeans really fall short in the real world, then why are Countries such as NZ/AUS around 50 years behind SIngapore in terms of technology, infrastructure and engineering?

Best answer wins a banana.
 

wrcboi

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You might want to pull your head out of your ass. Most international surveys place Singapore's education in top 5. The Americans are trying to emulate Singapore's education system. Jim Rogers and many foreigners move to Singapore because of it has an excellent education system for their kids. Singapore's education is stressful but it is top in the world. Lets not forget Singaporeans are marked at Cambridge standard for O, A levels. They sit for the same exams as the British, scripts are flown to Cambridge to be marked and examiners are flown in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trends_in_International_Mathematics_and_Science_Study
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There are Singaporeans who speak bad broken pidgin English as they normally have another first language, no one is denying that. But there are plently of Singaporean native English speakers. This is the same in every English speaking countries and global cities anyway. 23% of people in California lack basic literacy skills. You can walk an entire street of New York and not hear a single person speak in English.

Frankly you sound like some ignorant brain washed drone.>>

You are either very igorant or stupid, chose to believe in wiki(which can be edited or posted by literally anyone who can type) or some hideous survey no one bothers to read.

The fact remains Singapore is not regarded as a English-speaking country. For immigration or academic admission purposes to the western countries. A Singaporean who unfortunately graduated from the world-class NUS or NTU degree, is still expected to pass a English language test to get admission. Only applicants from US, Uk, Ireland, Canada (French province excluded), Australia, NZ are exempted. So, a PRC with a substandard English skills but graduated from a US, Uk or Australian university would still be perceived as higher English language than a Sporean with local education qualification. Reality check is always painful isn't it?

Haha.....u really are very very stupid (brainwashed by PAP I reckon?). Do you really believe the Americans will emulate the education system from Singapore? In your wildest dream. Why on earth a 330 million populated first world country like America will listen to a pseudo-western Asian country like Singapore? Use your brain, almost all the top universities in the world are based in the US and do you know how many Nobel prizes they have won? Singapore -none. Can you seriously say the American education system has flaws and require help from the little red dot country which she can't even take care of her own citizens?

Many countries are moving away from the British system(which Singapore's education was built) and adopted the American educations system. Even Australian universities are moving to that direction. Eg. The Melbourne University model has transformed into a American style postgraduate system.

So what Sporean send their scripts to Cambridge to mark, so are HK, Sri Lanka, Brunei and many South East Asian countries? They are still regarded as non-English speaking country(including Singapore just in case you still don't know). They still speak broken English, they still are not being understood by people who speak proper English.

Walking in entire street of NY you don't hear a word of English - so? Is the same at Chinatown in San Francisco, Crabamatta in Sydney, Soho in London. It doesn't mean people in San Franciso or Sydney or London don't speak good English. Your argument is ridiciously weak, and sorry, Singapore is still a non-English speaking country, and they are widely regard as speaking mediocre English. The truth hurts, I know. I guess you never been out of Singapore ..haha :biggrin:


i agree with this one.....good in writing doesnt mean u are good in spoken language........
 

senatorabudelai

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You are either very igorant or stupid, chose to believe in wiki(which can be edited or posted by literally anyone who can type) or some hideous survey no one bothers to read.

The fact remains Singapore is not regarded as a English-speaking country. For immigration or academic admission purposes to the western countries. A Singaporean who unfortunately graduated from the world-class NUS or NTU degree, is still expected to pass a English language test to get admission. Only applicants from US, Uk, Ireland, Canada (French province excluded), Australia, NZ are exempted. So, a PRC with a substandard English skills but graduated from a US, Uk or Australian university would still be perceived as higher English language than a Sporean with local education qualification. Reality check is always painful isn't it?

Haha.....u really are very very stupid (brainwashed by PAP I reckon?). Do you really believe the Americans will emulate the education system from Singapore? In your wildest dream. Why on earth a 330 million populated first world country like America will listen to a pseudo-western Asian country like Singapore? Use your brain, almost all the top universities in the world are based in the US and do you know how many Nobel prizes they have won? Singapore -none. Can you seriously say the American education system has flaws and require help from the little red dot country which she can't even take care of her own citizens?

Many countries are moving away from the British system(which Singapore's education was built) and adopted the American educations system. Even Australian universities are moving to that direction. Eg. The Melbourne University model has transformed into a American style postgraduate system.

So what Sporean send their scripts to Cambridge to mark, so are HK, Sri Lanka, Brunei and many South East Asian countries? They are still regarded as non-English speaking country(including Singapore just in case you still don't know). They still speak broken English, they still are not being understood by people who speak proper English.

Walking in entire street of NY you don't hear a word of English - so? Is the same at Chinatown in San Francisco, Crabamatta in Sydney, Soho in London. It doesn't mean people in San Franciso or Sydney or London don't speak good English. Your argument is ridiciously weak, and sorry, Singapore is still a non-English speaking country, and they are widely regard as speaking mediocre English. The truth hurts, I know. I guess you never been out of Singapore ..haha :biggrin:

Wikipedia do have their sources referenced below. But you need a functioning brain to check that out, so maybe your friends can help?

Singapore and her education is recognised as an English speaking country for most studies and migration abroad.

UK immigration - a degree from Singaporean schools will get you full points for English speaking reuqirement.

Studies in the UK and most English medium universities - UK schools and most English medium Universities around the world (Philippinos, Carribean, South African, HK) easily recognise Singapore qualifications for exemptions from English proficiency tests.

Some schools in the USA and Australia are the exceptions. They require Singapore students to take English proficiency tests but my cousins who studied in USA got these tests waived simply by calling their schools to complain and by virtue of their o levels results alone. It is a joke to spend a few hundred bucks for an English test when you are educated in English your whole life.

Aus immi - A passport from Canada, USA, UK and Ireland will get you 15 points for English proficiency automatically (rudimentary level points), but if you are a citizen from these countries and want 25 points for English proficiency, you have to take the IELTS. A PRC who has an American degree still has to take the IELTS for Australia immigration. It is the passport that counts in Aus immigration, not the degree.

The English proficiency test (IELTS) is compulsory for Singaporeans who are immigrating to AUstralia, as well as for many other native English speakers from Carribean (Bermuda,TnT,Belize etc), Africa etc. But the test is very easy and you should ace it with 25 points easily if you are a local born Singaporean who is fluent in English.

He he, go ahead and call Singapore a non English speaking country and yell on top of the mountain that Singaporeans speak mediocre English. No one gives a shit. Don't you understand? You are a nobody. No one gives a shit about space monkeys.

No matter how much you desperately spam your nobel prize winners list, the truth is Australia and New Zealand are indeed 50 years behind Singapore in terms of building, infrastructure, engineering, IT, technology and some sciences. A quick stroll in any Australian or New Zealand cities is all you need to verify these facts.

Another truth is ~40% of Australians used drugs and drugs are a major probelm in that country. ( http://www.aihw.gov.au/publications/phe/sdua04/sdua04.pdf )

And yet another truth is the Australian and New Zealand Armed forces are a total joke. Underfunded and lacking in manpower. Their defence strategy in times of war is to wait for USA aid. Malaysia and Indonesia easily have 10-20 times their combat power.

Oh yes, Australia is dry and lacks water as well. Many towns only have rainwater tanks (yucks do you dare to drink that water?) and South Australia practices water rationing. There are spiders in Australia that roam around your house and can kill your infrant in 15mins. There are jellyfishes the size of ur thumb that can sting and kill you and lots of weird animals.

What a terrible waste of time educating monkeys like yourself. It is best we leave you to be be ignorant and dumb. Without dumb monkeys for contrast, there can be no intelligent people on this planet. Thank you for being alive.
 

Ash007

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Oh yes, Australia is dry and lacks water as well. Many towns only have rainwater tanks (yucks do you dare to drink that water?) and South Australia practices water rationing. There are spiders in Australia that roam around your house and can kill your infrant in 15mins. There are jellyfishes the size of ur thumb that can sting and kill you and lots of weird animals.


Oh and don't forget the stingrays and the tasmanian devil that will tear your eyes out and the dingoes that will steal your baby! CRIKEY!


Guys, stop feeding the trolls, its not worth the effort.
 

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You are just a rabid space monkey. NUS is ranked 30th in world under Times Universities ranking, NTU is ranked 73th. 30th rank is ivy league + russell group territory. If it is not good enough for a space monkey like you, stay in orbit. Amazing how you can even bs about a university producing a large number of research papers. That is a good thing yet you can make it sound like a bad thing.

Singaporeans are outscoring the British in Cambridge exams. That is a good thing yet you go on your tirade of more bs about how putting in effort is bad.

Singapore is a country of 3 million plus citizens. All the local universities are top 100. Science and Math TMSS ranks it number 1,2 in the world. English wise, the country has produced the best speakers for world's debating championship a few times, and is top 5 english debating countries in the world. Amazing for population of 3 million plus citizens.

shut up and go back into your space shuttle before i take away your bananas.

Thanks for providing me some entertainment this evening.

Quoting Times University ranking shows how *little* you know about university rankings you retarded troll... Nobody in a fucking right mind would quote Times University ranking (save NUS who are desperately trying to promote themselves). Why? Cause unlike the reference that I used which rank institutions based on quantity and quality of publications and the quality of their faculty, Times University ranking uses shit criteria like "proportion of foreign students" (which we score excellently no doubt) and "faculty to student ratio"... etc. Now, what da fuck does this criteria have to do with research and education? Obviously that's why NUS scores 30ish in such dubious ranking and 70-100+ish on real rankings.

And in case you didn't know, a general ranking for a university is another trademark of a fucking retard like you. It makes no sense to rank the university because the scope is too large. People look at department or field rankings. Some Ivy League unis like Princeton may have a shitty Biology department, so you can't generalize a university into a single ranking number. Btw, the example was meant to be illustrative and not meant to be accurate.

Quantity without quality in research publications *is* an issue. It's easy to publish in some so-so journal, but much more difficult to get published in a top-tier journal. A hallmark of a so-so research university is a low proportion of top-tier publications, and NUS fits the description.

Again, you give me shit like Singaporeans outscore British students. So fucking what? Obviously a fucktard like you can't understand the concept of making proper comparisons... Singaporeans score better because they are just damn muggers... nothing to do with intelligence. Let's not even talk about creativity and innovation.
 

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If Australia or NZ is 50 years behind Singapore in terms of technology, I won't be using the internet replying your post now.

Ha ha yes, what internet plan are you using in Australia? 120 gb CAPPED internet at 5mbps for 80 SGD? ha ha ha. What a joke. Oh yes remember to observe your off peak and on peak usage.In Singapore, 80 SGD can get 100mbps unlimited broadband.:rolleyes: Yes you should be thankful you can even use the internet.

Denial is a real bitch isn't it?
 

AndromedaAsc

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Singapore and her education is recognised as an English speaking country for most studies and migration abroad.

UK immigration - a degree from Singaporean schools will get you full points for English speaking reuqirement.

Studies in the UK and most English medium universities - UK schools and most English medium Universities around the world (Philippinos, Carribean, South African, HK) easily recognise Singapore qualifications for exemptions from English proficiency tests.

Some schools in the USA and Australia are the exceptions. They require Singapore students to take English proficiency tests but my cousins who studied in USA got these tests waived simply by calling their schools to complain and by virtue of their o levels results alone. It is a joke to spend a few hundred bucks for an English test when you are educated in English your whole life.

Aus immi - A passport from Canada, USA, UK and Ireland will get you 15 points for English proficiency automatically (rudimentary level points), but if you are a citizen from these countries and want 25 points for English proficiency, you have to take the IELTS. A PRC who has an American degree still has to take the IELTS for Australia immigration. It is the passport that counts in Aus immigration, not the degree.

The English proficiency test (IELTS) is compulsory for Singaporeans who are immigrating to AUstralia, as well as for many other native English speakers from Carribean (Bermuda,TnT,Belize etc), Africa etc. But the test is very easy and you should ace it with 25 points easily if you are a local born Singaporean who is fluent in English.

I thought we were talking about education, why da fuck do idiots like you need to pull in military strength of the Aussies? Seriously, where da fuck did that come from?!

Obviously you have shot yourself in the foot. You already admitted that only UK accepts Singapore as an English-speaking country. Well... I guess if our former colonial masters won't acknowledge us that it's really sad.

The fact that Singapore students have to call schools, give O-Level results to American universities, is already a bloody indication that the Americans don't think of Singaporeans as native English speakers by default.

Same goes for the Aussies... the fact that you need to take IELTS for immigration already tells you that they don't think of us as native English speakers. Hence, the IELTS... DUH!!! Singaporeans being able to score well in IELTS is irrelevant here.

You have just admitted that despite the supposedly high English proficiency in this country, most Western nations DO NOT think of Singapore as an English speaking nation, and often Singaporeans have to take some action to get recognized as being English first-language speakers.
 
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