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Greece's fight with the Titans of Europe

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Greece's fight with the Titans of Europe

Globe Editorial
Greece’s troubles reveal fatal flaws in the euro
May 6, 2010

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GREECE’S SOVEREIGN debt crisis, which has rattled global markets and raised doubts about the creditworthiness of Portugal, Spain, Ireland, and Italy, ought to cause leaders of the countries that use the euro to reexamine the basic premises of the single-currency club they created for 16 disparate economies and cultures.

In good times, the adoption of the euro helped facilitate trade. But prosperity also veiled inherent flaws in the euro treaty. Today, as several member countries struggle to come out of the worldwide recession while saddled with unsustainable debt and deficits, those flaws have become all too evident.

If Greece still had its own national currency, the drachma, it could do what countries with big fiscal imbalances have often done: let the local currency be devalued.

A cheaper drachma would reduce prices for exports and raise the cost of imported products. An increased volume of exports and greater consumption of domestic products could then engender a virtuous economic cycle. Greek GDP would rise, the unemployment rate would decline, social welfare costs would be reduced, and tax revenues would improve.

It would then be much easier for Greece to get its fiscal house in order than it is today. Instead, as the price for receiving a $145 billion bailout from the International Monetary Fund and other euro nations, the Greek government is being forced to cut salaries and pensions while raising taxes. This is a formula for protracted recession and the economic pain that accompanies it.

The euro treaty might have worked better, even with the economic differences among the 16 members, if there had been some way to enforce rules specifying that a country’s ratio of debt to GDP should not surpass 3 percent and its ratio of national debt to GDP should stay below 60 percent. But even Germany and France have broken these rules.

What’s more, the ponderous decision-making of the euro group tends to inflame rather than calm market anxieties in a crisis, as demonstrated by Germany’s foot-dragging over the decision to help bail out Greece. The spectacle of German dithering increased the danger of a market panic over the solvency of Portugal, Spain, and other euro zone countries.

The euro nations should consider some fairly radical changes. One would be to give Greece — and, if need be, other debtor countries — a temporary furlough from the euro. Another would be to subject all users of the single currency to the same fiscal discipline. Yet another would be to give up the euro as a well-intentioned but failed experiment.
 
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Cestbon

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Greece have to cut budget to get the money from European. If Greece cut out from Euro going back to it own currency that will be worst. Because all value will be drop by at least half immediate effect.
 

elephanto

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What is the purpose and objective of the rioting?
People everywhere, especially Western electorate, riot & protest whenever hardship beckons & bitter pills prescribed - welfare, pension, public services, salaries cut cut cut..

But what can the poor beleagued government do ?

These are conditions imposed by creditor nations & World Bank/IMF dictates ... remember how Suharto was overthrown when the people perceived all these economic medicine as an insult on national dignity ?

Actually, throughout history, peasants rise when of hardship becomes unbearable ....

In the modern age, how many nations can maintain social & national discipline, collective bite the bullet, tighten their belts & grit their teeth through bad times !

First instinct is to hit the streets, protest, demonstrate. Then riots & looting follow .... oh, throw out the old Leaders & bring in the new - but has the Objective Reality changed ?

Is there political will inside & outside government ?
so easy to talk, very heart-wrenching to live through an age like that ...
 

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Did those people rioting ever stopped to think that they chose those people whom they are now rioting against?
 

Royalblood

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Bunch of loser half-brained Greeks only care about their own unjustifiable high wages and throw the big picture out of the window completely.

Their government is just doing what they have to to ensure economic stability in the long run.

Maybe it is high time the PIGS nation review the strong bargaining power of their union. Workers there are getting paid high wages that does not match their productivity level. The massive wage inflation only adds to the inflation problem they have been facing since eons ago.
 

Royalblood

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Greece have to cut budget to get the money from European. If Greece cut out from Euro going back to it own currency that will be worst. Because all value will be drop by at least half immediate effect.

How can this be worse given the situation they are in right now?

I quote from the above news paper article:

"A cheaper drachma would reduce prices for exports and raise the cost of imported products. An increased volume of exports and greater consumption of domestic products could then engender a virtuous economic cycle. Greek GDP would rise, the unemployment rate would decline, social welfare costs would be reduced, and tax revenues would improve."

A currency devaluation is what they really need right now. However they can't devaule coz they are using the Euros. Never been to Greece before, but i suspect that the same item there should cost alot more than elsewhere in Europe, like in Germany for example.

This is the price the Greeks pay for using Euro and failling to mange their economy properly.
 

elephanto

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How can this be worse given the situation they are in right now?

True, they can opt out of Euro & revert to use own drachma. Then have flexibility to devalue & so on & so on...

There will still be pain but works through 'invisible hand' & no human face to it - so politicians less backlash....

back consider like in those wuxia novels : wah, you think suka suka you can exit Euro & enter Euro zone anytime izzit ?

Since the adoption of Euro on 1 Jan 1999, it has taken a hold on the economic orthodoxy in Europe .... there are consequences in exiting Euro now....

Situations like this - I always feel the lesson from history is : pray for emergence of a charismatic strongman, yes or no :biggrin: ?

Is there a Greek Messiah out there - coming down from Mount Olympia to save the suffering greeks ?
 

johnny333

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Did those people rioting ever stopped to think that they chose those people whom they are now rioting against?


They got a good life: good wages, can retire at 45,... Even if the protests don't achieve anything they are showing the powers above that they are not happy.

You won't find a LKY sucking up millions for doing nothing :rolleyes:

When you compare to Spore, where the majority are struggling with low wages, high costs,... I think the Greeks are better of even with this crisis :rolleyes:
 

hockbeng

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How can this be worse given the situation they are in right now?

I quote from the above news paper article:

"A cheaper drachma would reduce prices for exports and raise the cost of imported products. An increased volume of exports and greater consumption of domestic products could then engender a virtuous economic cycle. Greek GDP would rise, the unemployment rate would decline, social welfare costs would be reduced, and tax revenues would improve."

A currency devaluation is what they really need right now. However they can't devaule coz they are using the Euros. Never been to Greece before, but i suspect that the same item there should cost alot more than elsewhere in Europe, like in Germany for example.

This is the price the Greeks pay for using Euro and failling to mange their economy properly.

There is one problem.

The greeks like the US produce nothing! So there is nothing to export!
 
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