This One's Funny: NMP Opposing NCMP

scroobal said:

Others have explained to you many times. Maybe you should read the thread slowly. If you look again I even took the trouble to explain in point form. When that failed, I provided the analogy

I don't think you are stubborn but you have difficulty with reasoning.

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Sideswipe said:

you never answer my questions direct but just beat around the bush when I asked you to point out what PR I don't understand.

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scroobal said:

That is your exact problem

1) I took the trouble to put it in point form
2) I then drew an analogy
3) Other have tried explaining to you.

And you still don't get it. The only guy who tried to help you also don't know what is going on. The fact that no one seems help clear the air with your views is telling. Either we are all blur and you are exceptional or..................

The moment you started rolling out your models I went back to reconcile what you had said previously and realise that it does not add up.

Still beating around the bush for you?

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Ramseth said:

Scroobal and Sideswipe, don't be so uptight over it.

Sideswipe believes in FPTP. So do I, actually. However, if I can't pass the post with gang up of five neighbours, how? The goalpost has shifted. I lost in a FPTP but I won in a GRC. Hurray!

It's very simple, in 50%+ victories for PAP in Cheng San and Aljunied, there must be one or two divisional constituenties in minority, i.e. lost according to FPTP, but all are "won" or "rescued" by GRC system.

I'd advise all Singaporeans who say oppostion should boycott GRC and NCMP system, boycott the ballot. Don't vote. Go show cause or pay the fine of $100 or so. You dare not boycott and ask people who dare to fight to boycott? Zzz...

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Ramseth said:

Scroobal and Sideswipe, don't be so uptight over it.

Sideswipe believes in FPTP. So do I, actually. However, if I can't pass the post with gang up of five neighbours, how? The goalpost has shifted. I lost in a FPTP but I won in a GRC. Hurray!

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scroobal said:

The moment you started rolling out your models I went back to reconcile what you had said previously and realise that it does not add up.
Still beating around the bush for you?

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Ramseth said:

Scroobal and Sideswipe, don't be so uptight over it.

Sideswipe believes in FPTP. So do I, actually. However, if I can't pass the post with gang up of five neighbours, how? The goalpost has shifted. I lost in a FPTP but I won in a GRC. Hurray!

It's very simple, in 50%+ victories for PAP in Cheng San and Aljunied, there must be one or two divisional constituenties in minority, i.e. lost according to FPTP, but all are "won" or "rescued" by GRC system.

I'd advise all Singaporeans who say oppostion should boycott GRC and NCMP system, boycott the ballot. Don't vote. Go show cause or pay the fine of $100 or so. You dare not boycott and ask people who dare to fight to boycott? Zzz...

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Perspective said:

Well said. But the fine is $5, not $100.

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scroobal said:

You might want to explain the maths behind the GRC example to him. You might be more articulate than me.

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Ramseth said:

There not much articulation other than commonsense maths required in this scenario. If you contest 5 wards and likely win 3 and lose 2, you declare all 5 wards lumped into a group. You'd win. Your two losing partners will join you in victory even if by fair FPTP they lost the contest in their wards.

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