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The Water Margin

Shi Jin

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Our story begins with my master Wang Jin who in order to escape harm from the villian Gao Qiu fled to Shi family village at Huayin county. As my master's old mother fell ill due to travelling they stayed for a time at my father's manor.

By chance my master saw me practicing with a staff and exclaimed good staff-play but not good enough to win in a real fight. My first reaction was one of anger for I was taught by top martial artists! (turns out those rat bastards were all con-jobs :mad: ). Naturally I issued a challenge and got my ass-kicked :p . My father then proposed to my master to take me as his disciple and he accepted. He then trained me in all 18 weapons and upon completion he felt it was time to go :( He also told me of the feud between Gao Qiu and him. Turns out it was all because my master's father once gave Gao Qiu a trashing with the staff! :mad:

Then after some time my father passed away and I was left in charge of the manor :( Sob sob...

To be continued later... :biggrin:
 

red amoeba

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hmm..so happen I just happened to finish reading the story.

my favorite? The adviser - Wu Xue Jiu 吴学究...just like ZhuGe Liang.

Li Kui 李逵 is the rash bugger who has only brawn no brains but fiercely loyal.

the only regret is, the 4 evil ministers still survive happily at the story end - then again, this is a story based on historical facts - cannot make them die (just like Sanguo Yanyi 三国演义) have to follow the actual history.

Xi Men Qing 西门庆 is just a small character lah. I now reading 金瓶梅 where he is the lead character. haha.

actually what makes 水浒传 one of the classics is that each of the 108 characters have a story and how they end up being a rebel. In fact,its not 108 stories because some of them join the gang in groups after initially being defeated as robbers or things like that.

nice story nonetheless.
 

elephanto

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.....is that each of the 108 characters have a story and how they end up being a rebel.

actually some are calefe roles, like that horse thief who join the lianshan heroes becos he kenna pursued for stealing horses, like that seal engraver whose role is to replica minister cai jing's seal & quite a few others ...

the greatest controversy is the character of Song Jiang, played to perfection by that china actor in the china drama.

is he honorable, hyocritical, deserving of respect ?

so many times act act reject top leadership, always kenna persuaded to lead...

sipeh hsien tau guy !

my fav is 'flower monk' Lu Zhi Sheng !
 

Wang Ye

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actually some are calefe roles, like that horse thief who join the lianshan heroes becos he kenna pursued for stealing horses, like that seal engraver whose role is to replica minister cai jing's seal & quite a few others ...

the greatest controversy is the character of Song Jiang, played to perfection by that china actor in the china drama.

is he honorable, hyocritical, deserving of respect ?

so many times act act reject top leadership, always kenna persuaded to lead...

sipeh hsien tau guy !

my fav is 'flower monk' Lu Zhi Sheng !

Yu Baosi is a horse robber actually since it was taken by force and the seal carver is Jin Dajian

Agreed with you on that version of Song Jiang. Rather disgusting the way he kisses up to the authorities.

Ahh Lu Zhisheng the Tattooed Priest! Fun guy. Loves the episode where by he turns the temple upside down. Beating the other monks with the dog bone was funny. Then the episode whereby he pretends to be the blushing bride to beat up Zhou Tong.
 

Wang Ye

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the only regret is, the 4 evil ministers still survive happily at the story end - then again, this is a story based on historical facts - cannot make them die (just like Sanguo Yanyi 三国演义) have to follow the actual history.

Well if it helps you feel any better that muddle headed emperor did not come to a good end. :smile:
 

elephanto

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Well if it helps you feel any better that muddle headed emperor did not come to a good end. :smile:
you are right, bro !

Historically, this Song Wei Zhong & his successor son both end up in the dungeons as prisoners of the Jin Invaders!

Of course, this is referred to as the 'Jin Kang Shame' that led authors like Jing Yong to spin yarns like the Condor Hero novels...

BTW, I thought the horse thief that appears at the end of the book when they were attacking the Zheng Jia Zhuang people, his surname is Duan 段 ?
 

elephanto

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The most unglam scene for Lu Zhi Sheng was when he once wacked on the forehead by the Master Stone Thrower 无羽箭张清 !LOL malu lah !

Other than that, most times, he has brains, brawn & balls !
 

Wang Ye

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you are right, bro !

Historically, this Song Wei Zhong & his successor son both end up in the dungeons as prisoners of the Jin Invaders!

Of course, this is referred to as the 'Jin Kang Shame' that led authors like Jing Yong to spin yarns like the Condor Hero novels...

BTW, I thought the horse thief that appears at the end of the book when they were attacking the Zheng Jia Zhuang people, his surname is Duan 段 ?

Huizong and his successor were both muddled headed. Huizong would have better off being a prince. But such is life.

Oh you meant the original horse thief Duan Jinzhu aka Golden Furred Hound who got robbed. Hohoho actually forgot about him always remembered him as the horse trader who got robbed.
 

Wang Ye

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The most unglam scene for Lu Zhi Sheng was when he once wacked on the forehead by the Master Stone Thrower 无羽箭张清 !LOL malu lah !

Other than that, most times, he has brains, brawn & balls !

Don't forget his strong sense of righteousness! :biggrin:
 

elephanto

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Duan Jinzhu aka Golden Furred Hound who got robbed. Hohoho actually forgot about him always remembered him as the horse trader who got robbed.

Nabei, yr memory for names beat me lah !

What fascinated me as a young boy reading the WaterMargin for the first time was the prefixed 'nicknames' ! All solid solid saat saat one like:-
- nine tattoo dragon ShiJin
- leopard head LinChong
- green-face-beast YangZhi
- enter-cloud-dragon GongSun Sheng
- fight-life-third-lad Shi Xiu
- Thunder-fire QingMing etc etc

T'was really a masterpiece !
 

po2wq

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水浒传人物及外号(按出场顺序)

1 九纹龙 史进(史家庄少庄主)
2 神机军师 朱武(少华山大寨主)
3 跳涧虎 陈达(少华山二寨主)
4 白花蛇 杨春(少华山三寨主)
5 花和尚 鲁智深(鲁达,提辖)
6 打虎将 李忠(卖艺,史进第一位师傅,后为桃花山寨主)
7 小霸王 周通(桃花山寨主)
8 豹子头 林冲(八十万禁军教头)
9 小旋风 柴进(柴大官人,周世宗之后)
10 旱地忽律 朱贵(梁山耳目,“忽律”即鳄鱼)
11 摸着天 杜迁(原梁山二寨主)
12 云里金刚 宋万(原梁山三寨主)
13 青面兽 杨志(殿司制使官,管军提辖使,杨家将之后)
14 急先锋 索超(大名府留守司正牌军,管军提辖使)
15 美髯公 朱仝(郓城马兵都头)
16 插翅虎 雷横(郓城步兵都头)
17 赤发鬼 刘唐
18 智多星 吴用(表字学究,道号加亮先生)
19 立地太岁 阮小二(阮氏三兄弟老大,石碣村)
20 短命二郎 阮小五(阮氏三兄弟老二,石碣村)
21 活阎王 阮小七(阮氏三兄弟老三,石碣村)
22 入云龙 公孙胜(一清道人)
23 白日鼠 白胜
24 *刀鬼 曹正(屠夫,林冲徒弟)
25 及时雨 宋江(表字公明,呼保义,“黑宋江”,郓城押司)
26 铁扇子 宋清(宋江之弟)
27 行者 武松(武二郎,打虎武松)
28 菜园子 张青(十字坡黑店)
29 母夜叉 孙二娘(张青之妻)
30 金眼彪 施恩(小管营)
31 毛头星 孔明(孔家庄,白虎山,宋江徒弟)
32 独火星 孔亮(孔家庄,白虎山,宋江徒弟,孔明之弟)
33 锦毛虎 燕顺(清风山大寨主)
34 矮脚虎 王英(清风山二寨主)
35 白面郎君 郑天寿(清风山三寨主)
36 小李广 花荣(清风寨知寨)
37 镇三山 黄信(青州府都监,秦明徒弟)
38 霹雳火 秦明(青州指挥司总管兵马统制)
39 小温侯 吕方(对影山寨主,方天画戟)
40 赛仁贵 郭盛(方天戟)
41 石将军 石勇(大名府人士,放赌为生)
42 催命判官 李立(揭阳岭黑店主)
43 混江龙 李俊(扬子江梢公)
44 出洞蛟 童威(私盐贩子)
45 翻江蜃 童猛(私盐贩子,童威之弟)
46 病大虫 薛永(卖艺)
47 船伙儿 张横(梢公,李俊义弟)
48 没遮拦 穆弘(揭阳镇一霸)
49 小遮拦 穆春(揭阳镇一霸,穆弘之弟)
50 神行太保 戴宗(江州两院押牢节级)
51 黑旋风 李逵(铁牛,江州小牢子)
52 浪里白条 张顺(渔家,张横之弟)
53 圣手书生 萧让(擅长书法)
54 玉臂匠 金大坚(擅长制印)
55 通臂猿 侯健(薛永徒弟,擅长裁缝)
56 摩云金 欧鹏(黄门山)
57 神算子 蒋敬(黄门山,精通书算)
58 铁笛仙 马麟(黄门山)
59 九尾龟 陶宗旺(黄门山)
60 笑面虎 朱富(朱贵之弟)
61 青眼虎 李云(沂水县都头,朱富师傅)
62 锦豹子 杨林
63 火眼猊 邓飞(饮马川寨主)
64 玉幡竿 孟康(饮马川寨主)
65 铁面孔目 裴宣(饮马川寨主)
66 病关索 杨雄(刽子手)
67 拼命三郎 石秀(杨雄义弟)
68 鼓上蚤 时迁
69 鬼脸儿 杜兴(李家庄主管)
70 扑天雕 李应(李家庄庄主)
71 一丈青 扈三娘(扈家庄)
72 两头蛇 解珍(猎户,孙立表弟)
73 双尾蝎 解宝(猎户,解珍之弟)
74 铁叫子 乐和(小节级,孙立妻弟,擅唱曲)
75 母大虫 顾大嫂(孙立弟孙新之妻)
76 小尉迟 孙新 (孙立之弟)
77 出林龙 邹渊(登云山头目)
78 独角龙 邹润(登云山头目,邹渊之侄)
79 病尉迟 孙立(登州兵马提辖)
80 金钱豹子 汤隆(铁匠)
81 双鞭 呼延灼(汝宁州都统制,呼延赞之后)
82 百胜将军 韩滔(陈州团练使,呼延灼讨梁山军正先锋)
83 天目将军 彭圯(颍州团练使,呼延灼讨梁山军副先锋)
84 轰天雷 凌振(大宋第一炮手)
85 金枪将 徐宁(金枪班教师,汤隆表哥)
86 混世魔王 樊瑞(芒砀山首领)
87 八臂哪吒 项充(芒砀山副将)
88 飞天大圣 李兖(芒砀山副将)
89 金毛犬 段景住(盗马贼)
90 玉麒麟 卢俊义(北京大员外,河北三绝)
91 浪子 燕青(小乙,卢俊义家童,擅长相扑)
92 铁臂膊 蔡福(大名府两院押牢节级兼刽子手)
93 一枝花 蔡庆(小押狱,蔡福之弟)
94 丑郡马 宣赞(关胜讨梁山军后合)
95 大刀 关胜(蒲东巡检)
96 井木犴 郝思文(关胜义兄,讨梁山军先锋)
97 活闪婆 王定六
98 神医 安道全(建康府太医)
99 没面目 焦挺(擅长相扑)
100 圣水将军 单廷(王玉)(凌州团练使)
101 神火将军 魏定国(凌州团练使)
102 丧门神 鲍旭(枯树山强人)
103 险道神 郁保四(曾头市)
104 双枪将 董平(东平府都监,风流双枪将)
105 没羽箭 张清(东昌府)
106 花项虎 龚旺(张清副将)
107 中箭虎 丁得孙(张清副将)
108 紫髯伯 皇甫端(兽医)
 

allanlee

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水浒传人物及外号(按出场顺序)

1 九纹龙 史进(史家庄少庄主)
2 神机军师 朱武(少华山大寨主)
3 跳涧虎 陈达(少华山二寨主)
4 白花蛇 杨春(少华山三寨主)
5 花和尚 鲁智深(鲁达,提辖)
6 打虎将 李忠(卖艺,史进第一位师傅,后为桃花山寨主)
7 小霸王 周通(桃花山寨主)
8 豹子头 林冲(八十万禁军教头)
9 小旋风 柴进(柴大官人,周世宗之后)
10 旱地忽律 朱贵(梁山耳目,“忽律”即鳄鱼)
11 摸着天 杜迁(原梁山二寨主)
12 云里金刚 宋万(原梁山三寨主)
13 青面兽 杨志(殿司制使官,管军提辖使,杨家将之后)
14 急先锋 索超(大名府留守司正牌军,管军提辖使)
15 美髯公 朱仝(郓城马兵都头)
16 插翅虎 雷横(郓城步兵都头)
17 赤发鬼 刘唐
18 智多星 吴用(表字学究,道号加亮先生)
19 立地太岁 阮小二(阮氏三兄弟老大,石碣村)
20 短命二郎 阮小五(阮氏三兄弟老二,石碣村)
21 活阎王 阮小七(阮氏三兄弟老三,石碣村)
22 入云龙 公孙胜(一清道人)
23 白日鼠 白胜
24 *刀鬼 曹正(屠夫,林冲徒弟)
25 及时雨 宋江(表字公明,呼保义,“黑宋江”,郓城押司)
26 铁扇子 宋清(宋江之弟)
27 行者 武松(武二郎,打虎武松)
28 菜园子 张青(十字坡黑店)
29 母夜叉 孙二娘(张青之妻)
30 金眼彪 施恩(小管营)
31 毛头星 孔明(孔家庄,白虎山,宋江徒弟)
32 独火星 孔亮(孔家庄,白虎山,宋江徒弟,孔明之弟)
33 锦毛虎 燕顺(清风山大寨主)
34 矮脚虎 王英(清风山二寨主)
35 白面郎君 郑天寿(清风山三寨主)
36 小李广 花荣(清风寨知寨)
37 镇三山 黄信(青州府都监,秦明徒弟)
38 霹雳火 秦明(青州指挥司总管兵马统制)
39 小温侯 吕方(对影山寨主,方天画戟)
40 赛仁贵 郭盛(方天戟)
41 石将军 石勇(大名府人士,放赌为生)
42 催命判官 李立(揭阳岭黑店主)
43 混江龙 李俊(扬子江梢公)
44 出洞蛟 童威(私盐贩子)
45 翻江蜃 童猛(私盐贩子,童威之弟)
46 病大虫 薛永(卖艺)
47 船伙儿 张横(梢公,李俊义弟)
48 没遮拦 穆弘(揭阳镇一霸)
49 小遮拦 穆春(揭阳镇一霸,穆弘之弟)
50 神行太保 戴宗(江州两院押牢节级)
51 黑旋风 李逵(铁牛,江州小牢子)
52 浪里白条 张顺(渔家,张横之弟)
53 圣手书生 萧让(擅长书法)
54 玉臂匠 金大坚(擅长制印)
55 通臂猿 侯健(薛永徒弟,擅长裁缝)
56 摩云金 欧鹏(黄门山)
57 神算子 蒋敬(黄门山,精通书算)
58 铁笛仙 马麟(黄门山)
59 九尾龟 陶宗旺(黄门山)
60 笑面虎 朱富(朱贵之弟)
61 青眼虎 李云(沂水县都头,朱富师傅)
62 锦豹子 杨林
63 火眼猊 邓飞(饮马川寨主)
64 玉幡竿 孟康(饮马川寨主)
65 铁面孔目 裴宣(饮马川寨主)
66 病关索 杨雄(刽子手)
67 拼命三郎 石秀(杨雄义弟)
68 鼓上蚤 时迁
69 鬼脸儿 杜兴(李家庄主管)
70 扑天雕 李应(李家庄庄主)
71 一丈青 扈三娘(扈家庄)
72 两头蛇 解珍(猎户,孙立表弟)
73 双尾蝎 解宝(猎户,解珍之弟)
74 铁叫子 乐和(小节级,孙立妻弟,擅唱曲)
75 母大虫 顾大嫂(孙立弟孙新之妻)
76 小尉迟 孙新 (孙立之弟)
77 出林龙 邹渊(登云山头目)
78 独角龙 邹润(登云山头目,邹渊之侄)
79 病尉迟 孙立(登州兵马提辖)
80 金钱豹子 汤隆(铁匠)
81 双鞭 呼延灼(汝宁州都统制,呼延赞之后)
82 百胜将军 韩滔(陈州团练使,呼延灼讨梁山军正先锋)
83 天目将军 彭圯(颍州团练使,呼延灼讨梁山军副先锋)
84 轰天雷 凌振(大宋第一炮手)
85 金枪将 徐宁(金枪班教师,汤隆表哥)
86 混世魔王 樊瑞(芒砀山首领)
87 八臂哪吒 项充(芒砀山副将)
88 飞天大圣 李兖(芒砀山副将)
89 金毛犬 段景住(盗马贼)
90 玉麒麟 卢俊义(北京大员外,河北三绝)
91 浪子 燕青(小乙,卢俊义家童,擅长相扑)
92 铁臂膊 蔡福(大名府两院押牢节级兼刽子手)
93 一枝花 蔡庆(小押狱,蔡福之弟)
94 丑郡马 宣赞(关胜讨梁山军后合)
95 大刀 关胜(蒲东巡检)
96 井木犴 郝思文(关胜义兄,讨梁山军先锋)
97 活闪婆 王定六
98 神医 安道全(建康府太医)
99 没面目 焦挺(擅长相扑)
100 圣水将军 单廷(王玉)(凌州团练使)
101 神火将军 魏定国(凌州团练使)
102 丧门神 鲍旭(枯树山强人)
103 险道神 郁保四(曾头市)
104 双枪将 董平(东平府都监,风流双枪将)
105 没羽箭 张清(东昌府)
106 花项虎 龚旺(张清副将)
107 中箭虎 丁得孙(张清副将)
108 紫髯伯 皇甫端(兽医)

109 Old Fart Li Con U:p
 

Wang Ye

Alfrescian
Loyal
hello...we are happily tokking about a righteous people of Water Margin, why bring 109th? tak match lah...start a new thread abt Lao Lee...

Don't look at me hor! I did not say got 109th. I merely state that if Lao Lee were one of the characters in water margin his would be Cai Jing. :biggrin:
 

red amoeba

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
sorry bro...

just to make a point not to "pollute" this discussion with other non-relevant "persons" haha...
 
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Lu Xun

Guest
Ya for goodness sake please stop mentioning that old scum and stay on topic.
 
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