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Serious Values 101...

zhihau

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忠爱仁孝,礼义廉耻。

These eight words encapsulate the values ancient Chinese people tried to attain.

Loyalty, Love, Compassion, Filial piety, Courtesy, Righteousness, Morality, Humility.

Which value do you think is obsolete in this day and age?
 

mojito

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Nonono. Chinese values encapsulated in a mere 5 words.
笑贫不笑娼

Sinkie values also 5 words.
你死你的事
 

scroobal

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I remember that George Yeo, Old Man and Kishore Mahbubani attempted to create a Singapore state ideology with these values wrapped around Confucianism in the 90s to explain our success. Lots of articles, presentations etc especially to foreign audience, newsmakers etc but spluttered out after 2 to 3 years.

In today's contemporary World, even in places like China, discussions around values per se is no longer fashionable. Achievements, Actions and deeds that result in material change for the better have become point of discussion.

People recognise and appreciate Person A because he changed the Health System to be more equitable. Person B's invention reduced cost of building public housing for the needy etc. Same for promotions in companies - KPIs carry much higher weightage than an values even though you would require these values to deliver to some extent.

It very much like Kung Fu where it now a novelty even a form of entertainment rather than a respected and revered form of Martial Arts of the past. I suppose courtesy of Jackie Chan in this case. Compare the Kung Fu exponent and a Navy Seal or even a Ranger in SAF.
 

shittypore

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忠爱仁孝,礼义廉耻。

These eight words encapsulate the values ancient Chinese people tried to attain.

Loyalty, Love, Compassion, Filial piety, Courtesy, Righteousness, Morality, Humility.

Which value do you think is obsolete in this day and age?

All these values were encouraged so that Leaders may Corrupt Leegally, without worrying being over thrown.
 

frenchbriefs

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U make it sound as though the rest of the human race know not of these values.i believe those are aspirations just like over government say our pledge is a aspiration.not much hope in that department after 5000 years.today the chinks number one value they export is the yuan,the value of money.with money who needs values?u can shit anywhere u want
 

zhihau

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In today's contemporary World, even in places like China, discussions around values per se is no longer fashionable. Achievements, Actions and deeds that result in material change for the better have become point of discussion.

noticed how things are done when guided by sound values versus how things are done when guided by KPI?

Your belief systems are at stake where the processes are concerned, each step taken grounded and measured. Whereas KPIs are concerned? Betterest, Cheaperest, and Fasterest.
 

scroobal

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Loyal
Its a very good point. Unfortunately you can even put this traits down in your staff's annual appraisal even if he displays all these things and he is the best and due for promotion. The word "loyalty" for example is a no-no it is implies dependent on certain people. You can't even say that he is loyal to the company as it implies that he is not prepared to tackle new challenges.


noticed how things are done when guided by sound values versus how things are done when guided by KPI?

Your belief systems are at stake where the processes are concerned, each step taken grounded and measured. Whereas KPIs are concerned? Betterest, Cheaperest, and Fasterest.
 

zhihau

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You can't even say that he is loyal to the company as it implies that he is not prepared to tackle new challenges.

Ok, loyalty becoming obsolete soon.

Call me a humanistic purist, the notions of nationalism that defines medieval times right up to this day and age will vaporize soon enough when humanity sees itself for itself.
 

kryonlight

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Snap out of it lah, zhihau! These 8 chink characters are nothing more than tools invented by chink emperors to oppress ancient gullible chinks.

We need American values and American education to bring the world forward, a world where kids can be brats and inventors all at the same time.
 

ginbitchy

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忠爱仁孝,礼义廉耻。

These eight words encapsulate the values ancient Chinese people tried to attain.

Loyalty, Love, Compassion, Filial piety, Courtesy, Righteousness, Morality, Humility.

Which value do you think is obsolete in this day and age?

The proper sequence is 忠孝、仁爱. These 4 characters always come in 2 pairs and there is a reason.

Your translation of 礼、义、廉、耻 into Courtesy, Righteousness, Morality, Humility is off the mark. It's Propriety, Justice, Integrity and Honour.

The values remain relevant only to those who can cope with the high standards that such values demand.

If you ask a man who steals for a living what he thinks of honesty, you can't expect a thief to value honesty.
 

po2wq

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忠爱仁孝,礼义廉耻。

These eight words encapsulate the values ancient Chinese people tried to attain.

Loyalty, Love, Compassion, Filial piety, Courtesy, Righteousness, Morality, Humility.

Which value do you think is obsolete in this day and age?
all obsolete ...

now oni 2 words ...

名利 ...
 

jw5

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忠爱仁孝,礼义廉耻。

These eight words encapsulate the values ancient Chinese people tried to attain.

Loyalty, Love, Compassion, Filial piety, Courtesy, Righteousness, Morality, Humility.

Which value do you think is obsolete in this day and age?

Consideration for others. :wink:
 

scroobal

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Look at the requirements particularly on letters of recommendation and the need to do extracurricular activities such as volunteerism. These were previously done away with because those who are connected can get "powerful and interesting" letters of recommendation and the race to do volunteer work at PAP meet the people session and PA grassroots activities are highly sought after as it is usually accompanied by an MP's letter.

Many of the Universities in the West has done away will all these and candidates go for panel interview without revealing the full name so the panel has not idea about their relatives or connections.

The above requirements were reinstated on the basis of identifying "values".

Applying to medical school is itself a long and arduous journey. One needs to understand how the system works. Looking back, there are many things about applying that I wish I had known earlier. Thus I would like to share some useful pieces of information with the prospective applicants out there.

1. Academic transcript

Do well in school because there is no true substitute for academic excellence. Many schools of medicine do adopt a holistic review process that is individualised to each applicant. However, at the end of the day, their main concern is whether a student can survive the programme. Outstanding grades are reflective of an applicant’s ability to engage in the rigours of a fast-paced medical education.

2. Standardised examinations

Standardised assessments such as the MCAT, BMAT, UKCAT and GAMSAT are significant components of some medical school applications. Regardless of the examination, invest about two to three months of intense preparation and sit for it as early as possible. This way there’ll be time to retake if you want to obtain a higher score. At Duke-NUS, we look at the MCAT. Based on the previous iteration, MCAT scores over 30 are viewed more favourably, as some studies have shown a score above the low-30 range to be more positively correlated with certain indicators of success in medical school. Nevertheless, scores below 30, when complemented by other academic, co-curricular and personal strengths are by no means prohibitive of a successful application or medical career. This is because a number of attributes are essential components of a physician’s makeup. As of 2015, the MCAT has been revamped. We will be providing more information in time to come. Meanwhile, to get a flavour of the new format, check out the Duke-NUS website https://www.duke-nus.edu.sg/admissions/about-mcat and AAMC https://www.aamc.org/students/applying/mcat/.

3. Letters of recommendation

Seek out your referees as early as possible, ideally those who can be as personal as possible. Relationships take time to build so invest in them early. Ensure that your referees are able to testify about your character, work ethic, clinical exposure, research involvement, passion for medicine and other relevant areas.

4. Early application

Duke-NUS has a rolling admissions process that begins in May. The early and regular admissions deadlines are 1 September and 1 December respectively. The earlier one applies the more spaces there are to fill. Applying early (and hopefully receiving an offer early) also helps put you at ease. You don’t have to stress over it and your time is freed to spend in whatever way you choose. However, do not compromise on the quality of your application for an earlier submission.

5. Portfolio

Work experience, clinical attachments, scholarly investigations, community volunteerism, hobbies and other co-curricular activities tell a story that is unique to you. So capitalise on that. Make sure that you are familiar with the realities of the medical profession and not just attracted to the thought of being a physician. Do not view this as resume-padding but rather as demonstrating a genuine and valiant effort to understand your own motivations for studying medicine. Medicine is so much more than a career. It is about passion and a way of life.

6. Application essays

It is important to get your essays proof-read by faculty, physicians, medical students or other people familiar with the admissions process. Keep it short and to the point, with a clear indication of what you, as an applicant, have learnt from these experiences. It’s about showing, not telling, and not just what you say, but how you say it. Remember there is only one chance to ruin a first impression.

7. Interviews

If you do get called for interviews, breathe a sigh of relief, but don’t let your guard down. You still need to prepare for them. Ensure that you can discuss every area of your application and articulate your reasons for wanting to do medicine. Look through typical interview questions. Know about the school and come prepared with questions. But above and beyond, be as relaxed and friendly as possible. The interviewers already know your stats. Now they want to know you as person. I hope that I’ve been able to lend some perspective, inspiration and encouragement. Best of luck. Remember, it’s never too late to answer a calling.

By Brian Chan, Class of 2017

Brian Chan is second year candidate in the Duke-NUS Graduate Medical School Singapore MD programme and President of the Class of 2017. This commentary is contributed in his personal capacity. He can be contacted at [email protected].




忠爱仁孝,礼义廉耻。

These eight words encapsulate the values ancient Chinese people tried to attain.

Loyalty, Love, Compassion, Filial piety, Courtesy, Righteousness, Morality, Humility.

Which value do you think is obsolete in this day and age?
 

Spock

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忠爱仁孝,礼义廉耻。

These eight words encapsulate the values ancient Chinese people tried to attain.

Loyalty, Love, Compassion, Filial piety, Courtesy, Righteousness, Morality, Humility.

Which value do you think is obsolete in this day and age?

They are all obsolete if not applied according to the context. There is a time for each of those values and sometimes you have to pick one over another as both can't be applied at the same time. There is no set formula, it all boils down to your value system. Just chill and live the life you want and don't worry about what others think unless you are running for election. The only question you must answer is can you live with yourself.
 
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