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Serious One-child policy ends - IVF takes off - big time!

Agoraphobic

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The governments should never interfere with people's family life, how many kids a couple wants - it should be left to them to decide. China's one-child policy has caused much misery, besides being a social failure. Now with the law reversed, couples who have complied can't buy back the time they lost. Even with IVF technology, the couple are now much older, and lack the energy and vigor to enjoy a new child, and the age-gap between the elder and the new sibling denies them a closer bonding than if they were closer in the years between them. Well, whatever it is, its better late than never. Wish the new families a happy life ahead!

Cheers!

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/...child-older-chinese-parents-turn-to-ivf-.html
FINALLY ALLOWED 2ND CHILD, OLDER CHINESE PARENTS TURN TO IVF
Louise Watt | Associated Press | Beijing
Mon, May 30 2016 | 09:35 am

China's decision to allow all married couples to have two children is driving a surge in demand for fertility treatment among older women, putting heavy pressure on clinics and breaking down past sensitivities, and even shame, about the issue.
The rise in in vitro fertilization points to the lost dreams of many parents who long wanted a second child, but were prevented by a strict population control policy in place for more than 30 years.
That, in turn, is shifting prevailing attitudes in China regarding fertility treatments — formerly a matter of such sensitivity that couples were reluctant to tell even their parents or other family members that they were having trouble conceiving.
"More and more women are coming to ask to have their second child," said Dr. Liu Jiaen, who runs a private hospital in Beijing treating infertility through IVF, in which an egg and sperm are combined in a laboratory dish and the resulting embryo transferred to a woman's uterus.
Liu estimated that the numbers of women coming to him for IVF had risen by 20 percent since the relaxation of the policy, which came into effect at the start of the year. Before, the average age of his patients was about 35. Now most of them are older than 40 and some of the women are fast approaching 50, he said.
"They have a very low chance to get pregnant so they are in a hurry. They really want to have a child as soon as possible," he said.
Chen Yun is 39 and was in the hospital waiting to have the procedure for the first time. She and her husband already have a 7-year-old son and their families are encouraging them to have a second child.
"We are coming to the end of our childbearing years. It may be difficult for me to get pregnant naturally because my husband's sperm may have a problem, so we want to resolve this problem through IVF," she said.
Chen said she hoped having a brother or sister would make their son happier, more responsible and less self-absorbed.
"We had siblings when we were children. I had a younger sister and we felt very happy when playing together," she said. "Now that every couple has one child, two generations — parents and grandparents — take care of the child. They give the only child too much attention." If her son has a younger brother or sister to look out for, he may not "think too much about himself like a little emperor," Chen said.
Over the past two decades, IVF technology has developed rapidly in China, where about 10 percent of couples are estimated to need the procedure to conceive. In 2014, 700,000 women had IVF treatments, according to the health commission's Women's and Children's Department, which said in a statement that demand for all types of fertility treatment had risen following the policy relaxation, including the use of traditional Chinese medicine.
"Currently, fertility centers at renowned medical organizations in Beijing and Shanghai and others are under increased pressure for treatments," the department said.
Previously, China limited most urban couples to one child and rural couples to two if their first was a girl. There were exceptions for ethnic minorities, and city dwellers could break the policy if they were willing to pay a fee calculated at several times a household's annual income.
While authorities credit the policy introduced in 1979 with preventing 400 million extra births, many demographers argue the fertility rate would have fallen anyway as China's economy developed and education levels rose.
Intended to curb a surging population, the policy has been blamed for skewing China's demographics by reducing the size of the future workforce at a time when children and society face increasing demands from the growing ranks of the elderly. It also inflated the ratio of boys to girls as female fetuses were selectively aborted, while compelling many women to have forced abortions or give up their second children for adoption, leaving many families devastated.
The National Health and Family Planning Commission said in November that 90 million women would become eligible to have a second child following the policy change. Authorities expect that will add 30 million people to the country's labor force by 2050.
Those projections could be overly optimistic since many younger Chinese see small families as ideal and would be reluctant to take on the cost of raising a second child. When the policy was changed in 2013 to allow two children for families in which at least one parent was an only child, it spurred fewer births than authorities expected.
Also under pressure are China's sperm banks, which already suffer shortages owing to a reluctance to donate among young Chinese men unwilling to father children they won't know or fearing their offspring may turn up at their door one day despite donor confidentiality.
"The relaxing of the one-child policy certainly gave an impetus to the demand for sperm as more women, usually aged around or above 35, came for assistance," said Zhang Xinzong, director of the Guangdong Sperm Bank in southern China.
Calls have also gone out for a loosening of China's adoption law, which currently states that only couples with no children can adopt, while also allowing couples with one child to adopt a disabled child or an orphan.
The Ministry of Civil Affairs didn't respond to a question on whether the law would be changed, and it couldn't say whether the number of couples seeking adoption had risen since the policy change. It said there were 109,000 children available for adoption in the custody of governmental institutions, 90 percent of whom were disabled and 60 percent severely disabled.
Zhang Mingsuo, a professor at Zhengzhou's University's School of Public Administration, said few Chinese couples were willing to adopt disabled children "because they worry about the possible heavy medical expense."
 

The_Hypocrite

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The stop at 2 was paps best policy..its so sad tat its ended..singkieland is headed towards ang mor lands..the trailer park trash breeds even more. Govt needs to implement tough population control policies to ensure the trailer park trash popn does not increase.
 

Agoraphobic

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I believe, at the time of its implementation, it was thought to be a rational plan due to Sg's limited land base, lack of resources, and that population control was needed to prevent over consumption of the limited supplies (where were they going to come from?) Singapore was at its infancy. However, a short while down the road, it was observed that the Chinese observed the law, while the Malays carried on producing like rabbits (birthrate Chinese:Malays was something like 1.8:5~6) and it startled the rulers. They then reversed that law. It was a little too late as many females had by then got sterilised. Cannot be undone!

Cheers!


The stop at 2 was paps best policy..its so sad tat its ended..singkieland is headed towards ang mor lands..the trailer park trash breeds even more. Govt needs to implement tough population control policies to ensure the trailer park trash popn does not increase.
 

frenchbriefs

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come on man,1.3 bil PRC chinks is more than enough now they want more of them?at least wait until their population shrinks by 1/3rd before they embark on this madness or wait until hyperspace travel is invented so i can get the fuck away from this planet.
 

Agoraphobic

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1.3 billion is an unimaginably large number. But PRC has demographic problems created by this one-child policy, there are not enough young people to take care of an aging population! And during the course of this policy, the Chinese preference for males have caused more female infanticide, (if it happens that the couple's first-born was a girl), and years down the road - a shortage of girls of marriageable age!! Leaving tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of unamarried men unable to find a spouse!

On a more personal note; I had a shift supervisor I reported to, who was from China. At work, we spoke quite a lot of our own personal lives, and he revealed to me that back in China, he held the position of Plant Manager, in the same kind of factory where we worked. Then I asked him if he had such a good position, why did he leave? Considering we were shift workers at the Canadian plant, and he said, it was because his wife and him wanted a second child, which at that time, he wasn't allowed this in China. It must have sucked. To emigrate because of wanting another child in the family? That's just him, one man, one family. Now extrapolate that to a billion blokes, and you get mass depression! From oppression! And it is not from different political philosophy, but just wanting a normal family life!

Cheers!

come on man,1.3 bil PRC chinks is more than enough now they want more of them?at least wait until their population shrinks by 1/3rd before they embark on this madness or wait until hyperspace travel is invented so i can get the fuck away from this planet.
 

The_Hypocrite

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1.3 billion is an unimaginably large number. But PRC has demographic problems created by this one-child policy, there are not enough young people to take care of an aging population! And during the course of this policy, the Chinese preference for males have caused more female infanticide, (if it happens that the couple's first-born was a girl), and years down the road - a shortage of girls of marriageable age!! Leaving tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of unamarried men unable to find a spouse!

On a more personal note; I had a shift supervisor I reported to, who was from China. At work, we spoke quite a lot of our own personal lives, and he revealed to me that back in China, he held the position of Plant Manager, in the same kind of factory where we worked. Then I asked him if he had such a good position, why did he leave? Considering we were shift workers at the Canadian plant, and he said, it was because his wife and him wanted a second child, which at that time, he wasn't allowed this in China. It must have sucked. To emigrate because of wanting another child in the family? That's just him, one man, one family. Now extrapolate that to a billion blokes, and you get mass depression! From oppression! And it is not from different political philosophy, but just wanting a normal family life!

Cheers!

Nothing wrong with being DINKs..why so obsessed with kids? 1.2 billion and they still want to breed? No with modern tech...can do n no kids..wats wrong with tat?
 

The_Hypocrite

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I believe, at the time of its implementation, it was thought to be a rational plan due to Sg's limited land base, lack of resources, and that population control was needed to prevent over consumption of the limited supplies (where were they going to come from?) Singapore was at its infancy. However, a short while down the road, it was observed that the Chinese observed the law, while the Malays carried on producing like rabbits (birthrate Chinese:Malays was something like 1.8:5~6) and it startled the rulers. They then reversed that law. It was a little too late as many females had by then got sterilised. Cannot be undone!

Cheers!

Uh...now by getting rid of it...the trailer park trash r free to breed...look at the m&ds n the number of kids they have...the stop at 2 was also aimed at them to reduce their numbers..now its all unraveling.
 

MadrigalWheel

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This bodes well for the next generation of Chinese people. Lots of choices for Singaporean males born from here on to sow their seeds.

And I mean it. Better this than to kowtow to India because of a weak and aging China.
 

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Nothing wrong with choosing to be DINKs, if the couple decided on their own to be so. But having an authority telling them how to live their lives, just isn't right. And is unhuman. If a couple wishes to have a large family, and it makes them happy, it is their right. How they do it, how they manage it, is up to them. Not a business of anyone else. Governent should only be concerned about national issues like defense, foreign relations, law and order, taxation, healthcare and education, infrastructure. Famliy issues are best left to the family to deal with.

Cheers!

Nothing wrong with being DINKs..why so obsessed with kids? 1.2 billion and they still want to breed? No with modern tech...can do n no kids..wats wrong with tat?
 

The_Hypocrite

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Nothing wrong with choosing to be DINKs, if the couple decided on their own to be so. But having an authority telling them how to live their lives, just isn't right. And is unhuman. If a couple wishes to have a large family, and it makes them happy, it is their right. How they do it, how they manage it, is up to them. Not a business of anyone else. Governent should only be concerned about national issues like defense, foreign relations, law and order, taxation, healthcare and education, infrastructure. Famliy issues are best left to the family to deal with.

Cheers!

If they want big families n dont kpkb its ok...the problem is they will kpkb n say y gahmen no help...they wont take their kids n jump reservoir...tat is the problem.
 

Agoraphobic

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That is THEIR problem. But when the authorities implement a policy that becomes law for social engineering, it becomes a national problem. The State will have to fix it then!

Cheers!

If they want big families n dont kpkb its ok...................tat is the problem.
 

Hans168

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who was the thug who forced sgian to stop at two OR ELSE>>>>>>>>>>>?
did he even apologise?
& he enforced the rule after he had his three children...........
 

Agoraphobic

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I wouldn't call him a thug, he was legally elected in open elections, and that;s because the people wanted him. If one is unable to prove him by any call in court, better not call him by any derogatory, or slanderous name(s); he is reputed to sue buggers for "defamation!" and then kena bankrupt by him is not funny!

He is currently unable to apologise, but nobody wants him to. His word is gospel here in Peesai. His supporters might slap you in public for calling him a thug. Better watch your step!

Cheers!

who was the thug who forced sgian to stop at two OR ELSE>>>>>>>>>>>?
did he even apologise?
& he enforced the rule after he had his three children...........
 
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