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scroobal

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Pushing the boundary in the control-minded city-state
By ERIC ELLIS

January 16, 2001
Web posted at 5:30 p.m. Hong Kong time, 4:30 a.m. EDT

Sammyboy.com is not a website you'd want your 11-year-old surfing into unsupervised. It's deep and content-rich, it's alluring, and, in the main, quite well-written. In places it is also funny. That's the glass half-full way of looking at it. The half-empty way is that it's lewd, crass and offensive. And that there's nothing funny about pornography.

Yes, Sammyboy is a porn site, aimed very directly at the country which arguably least tolerates porn: Singapore. Which is all very well except Official Singapore has yet to close it down. The site has been up and down, so to speak, several times over the past week, and on each occasion it was the site's webmaster, a Samuel Leong, who made the call to shut his own site down. Not the authorities.

What's happening here? Has the nanny state loosened up and is now tolerating porn? Can that be happening? As with many things in Singapore, not everything is as it seems.

Leong (if that's his real name) says he's not running a porn site. Instead he's running a community service. Sex, he says, is a bodily function that all of us at some point do, and all he's simply doing is bringing it out into the open.

I've had a close look at Sammyboy -- there, I admit it -- and I have decided that it is in fact a porn site. But one with qualifications. Where Sammyboy starts being a porn site -- and thus inviting the wrath of authorities -- is where it links to very serious porn sites, the ones that you sometimes click into by accident and then spend 10 frustrating minutes trying to close down all the recurring browsers. If Sammyboy didn't carry those links, then Leong's argument might stack up a bit more firmly.

Beyond that, Sammyboy is morphing into a kind of samizdat outlet where Singaporeans vent and satirize life in the city-state. That's another no-go area, where the government's patience has traditionally been pretty short. But if you hold your breath and dive in, the site can be pretty funny, and sometimes illuminating. There's links to information about bad Singapore Inc. investments that don't get talked about too much, a "conservative Asian values forum," and a pretty funny cartoon that speaks to the national ideology of making money.

Another taste of Sammy's sense of humor comes when you log on. A window appears warning "all SPH journalists to keep out. You are not welcome." SPH is Singapore's print media near-monopoly, the publisher of the pro-government Straits Times and New Paper. The latter, for your information, has been running a campaign to shut Sammy down. But it's a funny kind of campaign. The New Paper wrote a scolding article about the site, which simply served to lift Sammyboy's profile among the Singaporeans it warned not to surf there.

Sammy himself is a bit of a mystery. The site is hosted in California but registered to a Samuel Leong, which is kind of a Singapore Everyman name, in Auckland, New Zealand. I called the number on the registration site and spoke to a Morgan Yeo, who happened to be Singaporean but claimed to know nothing of Sammyboy, or Samuel Leong. "I just run a used car yard here," he pleaded.

So, what are authorities doing about it? So far, not much, but it's still early days. The Singapore Broadcasting Authority which regulates these things told the New Paper that "the Samuel Leong website is but one of countless number of pornographic sites on the Internet. "Given the borderless nature of the Internet and the vast number of undesirable sites on the Net, there is a limit of what legislation can do," said a spokesman.

Sites like Sammyboy test control regimes like Singapore. It's impossible to condone porn but where does it stop being porn and start being a content site. And what does it look like when the government mantra is to open up, become a media center, and then bans sites that claim not to strictly fall into the porn category?

My tip is that Singapore will jump on Sammyboy. And if Sammyboy -- or Leong -- was smart, and really wanted to make some money from advertisers, he'd take down the hardcore links and emphasis the user-guide aspect. And then he and the Singapore authorities could be talking the same language -- trying to help procreation.
 

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I miss the humor. Imagine lustybear flicking his booger at a car next to him at the traffic light!
 

scroobal

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Mr Cyber smut

Who do you regard as an authority on sex? A parent or older sibling? Or our Puberty Column on page 45? These are familiar Sources. But watch out for sex shysters appearing on the scene. JASON TAN e-mails a Singaporean who is running a sex forum on the Internet. And MELVIN SINGH talks to a businessman - turned author who styles himself as a sex guru

MR Samuel Leong Y K's sex website is so lurid, The New Paper contacted all the ISP to check if access to the site has been blocked.

Why are we concerned?

For example, Mr Leong thinks he is providing a service by hosting information on the best prostitutes in Singapore.

There are sexual fantasies about teachers. Pantyhose fetishes.

And even an entry from a man who dreams about having sex with his maid. At the last count, 39 equally lewd replies had been posted.

This is Mr Leong's idea of a sex forum.

He is 38, male, Singaporean and single.

"All messages containing pornography are removed from the forum as soon as they are detected," he said. Is that so?

Then what about the nude images * all sitting there as plain as daylight. And there's no doubting the rules aimed at curbing porno sites.

"Content providers who post pornographic images are bleaching our guidelines on Internet use," said Ms Cecillia Yip, assistant director (public relations), Singapore Broadcasting Authority (SBA).

Mr Leong thinks he can get around this. He said: "As a final measure to ensure that no Singapore laws are broken, I take great pains to ensure that the actual act of publishing the website does not take place within Singapore."

But Ms Yip from SBA said: "It does not matter if he hosts it on a foreign server. As long as he's in Singapore, he's under our jurisdiction."

That's probably why Mr Leong was so elusive at first.

Two weeks ago, The New Paper on Sunday e-mailed Mr Leong and asked for a face-to-face interview. At first he declined, saying he had no desire to be "behind bars in Changi Prison".

Then he agreed to answer via e-email, and later changed his mind again.

But last Friday, he made another U-turn and agreed once again.

According to Mr Leong, his website, started in 1997, gets an average of 1,500 visitors and 50 new members each day. But he could not produce any evidence to support his claim.

Nor could he establish any credential to show that he is qualified to run a sex forum.

Yet he calls himself a "purveyor of truth".

"I wanted constant up-to-date information in a sex forum," said Mr Leong. But what kind of information?

"Someone can post a report on his last trip to Geylang. However, if his claims are exaggerated or false, there will soon be a string of rebuttals."

Doesn't that make him a promoter of pimps and prostitutes?

He claimed he doesn't get a cut from the earnings of the prostitutes whose names appear on the site."

And what about the video footage of Singapore Annabel Chong having unprotected sex? Isn't Mr Leong concerned about young people being exposed to such porn?

Mr Leong said: "Children should be protected from the distortions portrayed in pornography." But he didn't say how they should be protected from his work.

Mr Leong said that his own experience in sales led him to putting his site together.

He said he now does website and graphic design commercially: "As we all know, sales means customers and customers need to be entertained.

"Every sex joints has its superstar and its duds. However, finding out who's hot and who's not is extremely difficult. "What Singapore needed was an online database of commercial sex information."

There it was: "Commercial". How much does he earn from what he does?

"I make enough to cover my overheads (US$300 or S$510), but that's about it."

He has enough porno on sale to rival backstreet sex peddlers.

So is this the kind of character that you'd want young people to turn to for some honest-to-goodness sex advice?

BLOCKING OUT SMUT

How can offensive content be blocked out?

The SBA will first have to monitor a website before acting.

We checked with the three ISPs.

Sorry, they echoed. Banning a site goes beyond their jurisdiction.

But they do block objectionable sites based on a list provided by the SBA.

There are mote than 500,000 banned sites of which 90% per cent are pornographic.

Said the SBA: The Samuel Leong website is but one of countless number of pornographic sites on the Internet. "Given the borderless nature of the Internet and the vast number of undesirable sites on the Net, there is a limit of what legislation can do."

The SBA licence does not allow jurisdiction over people in foreign countries, only people in Singapore. It said worried parents can subscribe to the ISP's Family Access Network which filter out a large number of pornographic sites.

Or call the Parent Advisory Group for the Internet or visit parent.org.sg for more information.
 

scroobal

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Ethics of SPH Journalist in its full glory

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Hi Samuel

I have been following ur Sammyboy webpage for a couple of weeks now and is very impressed with what's been done.

Anyway, I'm Jason Tan, a New Paper journalist, and I recently read your interview with BigO.

I would like to meet you. Have a cup of coffee and talk shop.

Let me know ok. I understand you may be a bit apprehensive.

But look at it this way. The authorithies probably knew about your business long ago. If they wanna get you, they would have done so long ago, right.

So don't worry, I'm not some spy sent by them.

Cheers jason

Hi there Jason,

I'm afraid a face to face interview is not on the cards at the moment. There would be too much at stake.

As you are probably aware, a Singaporean adult site webmaster is now behind bars in Changi Prison because of his activities on the net.

I have no desire to be his cellmate at the moment.

However, I will be happy to answer any questions you may have via email.

Cheers and have a great weekend.

sam

Sure Samuel,

I completely understand where you're coming from.

Let me discuss with my boss.

Anyway, I'm unaware of the other webmaster's case.

Care to enlighten.

Regards Jason

Hi Samuel

This is Jason from The New Paper, once again.

I've spoken to my boss, and he's okay with an email interview.

Tks a lot for agreeing to the interview in my earlier email to you.

I really hope you can answer my long list of questions below.

1) Tell me a bit about yourself first, name, age, sex, race, nationality, marital status.

2) What inspired you to set up Sammyboy.com? What was your aim? How different was it going to be from the other adult sites? When and how exactly did it begin?

3) Why did you start the commercial sex guide in the first place? And how did you get it going in the beginning? Personal experience? Help from friends etc?

4) Do you get a lof of hate mail for what you do? How do you respond to them?

5) Fan mail?

6) Do you make money out of Sammyboy.com or your Delphi Sex Forum? How? How much?

7) Why do you moderate messages posted on Dephi Sex Forum? I see that phone numbers and email posted there are deleted. Why?

8) Why do you call it the Asian Conservative Values Forum? Couldn't it be furthest from the truth?

9) How many of the supposedly real-experience messages are real? I mean, maybe these guys are just fantasing?

10) When and why did you set up the Coffee Shop Forum? The response? Any rules?

11) You handle so much sexual content every day. Don't you get sick of it?

12) Do you ever give yourself a holiday?

13) How do you avoid being prosecuted? Do you think what you do is illegal? How afraid are you of being caught?

14) Do you aspire to make Singapore famous via sex? Why?

15) Do your family and parents know what you're doing? What do they say?

16) Don't you think what you do glorifies commercial sex, and its related ills like spread of Aids, exploitation of women etc? How do you feel if a 14-year-old stumbles onto your site, gets curious, and go out to screw a prostitute in Geylang?

17) You do showcase some pronographic images and video footages on your site. Doesn't this violate the law here? Doesn't this go against your so-called principle of providing a "purely democratic forum and nothing else"?

18) Some members of the forum periodically post nude images too. So why didn't you removed these?

19) How many registered users do you have now? What's the sign-up rate? How do you advertise your sites? (I heard that if you type sex and Singapore on any search engine, your site invariably pops up, true?)

20) If you're not doing this, what will you be doing? What are your hobbies?



Regards JASON TAN The New Paper

Hi Jason.

Thanks for mailing me.

However, I am actually very reluctant to have my site publicised in the mainstream high circulation newspapers as I feel it will inevitably result in the govt taking the necessary action to ban or shut down my site. This happened to other Singapore sites which were featured in TNP (remember the JC girls site.)

Can't we just leave things as they are. The site is receiving good publicity by word of mouth and I would hate to see 3 years of work going down the drain.

I hope you appreciate my position. Thanks a million.

Cheers.

Sam.

Hi Sam

I regret to hear that you have changed your mind about the interview.

We're of course disappointed that you don't talk to talk to us, but we're hoping you'll change your mind.

In any case, my bosses have decided to go ahead and run the story even with or without your comments. And personally, I think it's better for you to speak up.

Regards Jason

by the way, my all-time fav film is The Clockwork Orange too.

i like Lolita too and Dr Strangelove.

cheers jason

Hi Jason.

Here are the answers to your long list. Answers to the questions like "why did you start the site?" and why did decide to feature Geylang?" etc are taken from my archives as I have answered these questions so many times before I have run out of ideas regarding how to add a fresh perspective to these standard questions. BigO magazine used these stock answers word for word so you might want to do a bit of editing.

I have but one request from you. PLEASE DO NOT INCLUDE THE SITE URLS IN YOUR REPORT. I DON'T NEED THE SORT OF TRAFFIC THAT THIS WOULD GENERATE! I DON'T WANT PARENTS RUSHING TO THE SITE AND THEN COMPLAINING TO THEIR MP ABOUT THE CONTENTS!

If you are a true supporter of my efforts, then I'm sure you will do what you can to avoid having the site shut down or blocked. I appreciate whatever help you can give towards preserving the site and its contents.

sam.

(This email also contained answers to all the questions that Jason of TNP asked. The full text is reproduced below.....)

Original Text of TNP interview with reporter Jason Tan - (This is the email- word for word - that I sent to him)


Jason:

I really hope you can answer my long list of questions below.

1) Tell me a bit about yourself first, name, age, sex, race, nationality, marital status.

Sam :

YK Leong, 38, Male, Singaporean of Asian descent, Single.

Jason:

2) What inspired you to set up Sammyboy.com? What was your aim? How different was it going to be from the other adult sites? When and how exactly did it begin?

Sam :

I first started meddling around with the internet and web page design way back in 1995. I was driven by nothing more than the excitement of exploring this powerful new medium of expression. My first web site was pathetic to put it mildly. It consisted of a few stock images plus my bookmark links and that was it. The idea of publishing a guide to commercial sex in Singapore was conceptualised in the middle of 1997.

Since then, the site has gone through numerous revisions and what I would consider to be one resurrection. The site actually went offline for almost a month in 1998 because the server I was using at the time could not cope with the ever increasing traffic. I was forced to take the site down till I could find a server which could meet my needs. I spent that month revising the graphics and organising the contents

I put the articles together with the help of numerous inputs from friends, colleagues and from strangers via email. Up-to-date information is now posted on a very regular basis in my sex forum. The beauty of using an on-line forum for regular sex updates is that it keeps the whole process transparent. Someone can post a report on his last trip to Geylang and wax lyrical about a particular broad that just sent him to heaven and back. However, if his claims are exaggerated or false, there will soon be a string of rebuttals to refute his wild claims. On the other hand, If an accurate report is published, follow ups which confirm the validity of the contents will usually appear.

For more information regarding the history of the forum, go to Forum FAQ at http://www.asiangirlsnextdoor.com/forumfaq.html.

Jason:

3) Why did you start the commercial sex guide in the first place? And how did you get it going in the beginning? Personal experience? Help from friends etc?

Sam :

I used to work in Sales and Marketing and as we all know, sales means customers and customers need to be entertained.

80% of the customers we dealt with were men and 99.9% of the male species think about sex at least 50% of the time.

It does not take a genius to work out the sort of entertainment tops the list in the popularity stakes. However, if we wanted to secure contracts, we couldn't just leave things to chance. We had to make sure that if we brought a customer to a commercial sex joint, he would be well and truly satisfied at the end of the session. To ensure success, it was very important that the customer ended up with the right lady who not only looked delicious but who was able to provide that all important factor called "customer service".

Every sex joint has its superstars and its duds. However, Singapore being what it is, finding out who's hot and whose hot at your friendly nearby brothel is extremely difficult. No regular reviews are published in the print media. The numerous mags and newspapers published in Singapore contain reviews and write ups about almost every aspect of Singapore life except the commercial sex scene. We live in a very competitive society and almost everything under the sun that can be ranked is constantly assessed by some sort of authoritative body. Eg..the most hygienic hawker centre, the cleanest HDB precinct, the best neighborhood school etc etc. We also have regular food columnists who help us find the best Fried Kuay Teow, Fried Rice, Yong Tau Hu and so on. Companies earn ISO 9000 certification as some sort of guarantee of the quality of their services. However, when Singaporeans wanted to know who gave the best oral sex in Geylang, there was absolutely no source of reliable information anywhere. Our sales team was forced to rely on two basic sources of information.. (1) Personal Experience. (2) Hearsay. Neither of these sources was very reliable. The turnover in the sex industry is rapid and any information more than a month old was usually out of date. What Singapore needed was an on-line / real time database of commercial sex information. Suddenly, the internet had come of age!

Jason:

4) Do you get a lof of hate mail for what you do? How do you respond to them?

5) Fan mail?

Sam:

I have my fans and my detractors. Both are entitled to their opinions. I respond to fan mail by replying with a note of thanks. I do not bother to respond to hate mail.

Jason:

6) Do you make money out of Sammyboy.com or your Delphi Sex Forum? How? How much?

Sam:

I make enough to cover my overheads but that's about it.

Jason:

7) Why do you moderate messages posted on Dephi Sex Forum? I see that phone numbers and email posted there are deleted. Why?

Sam:

Ref to the FAQ.

Jason:

8) Why do you call it the Asian Conservative Values Forum? Couldn't it be furthest from the truth?

Sam:

Ref to the FAQ.

Jason:

9) How many of the supposedly real-experience messages are real? I mean, maybe these guys are just fantasing?

Sam:

Your guess is as good as mine. However, if you bother to read the messages thoroughly, you will normally be able to separate fact from fiction. If the story is to good to be true, it normally isn't.

Jason:

10) When and why did you set up the Coffee Shop Forum? The response? Any rules?

Sam:

The Coffee shop was set up a few months after I started the sex forum. It was created to cater for the spillover of non sex related discussions which were polluting the sex forum. There are no rules at the moment. People can discuss whatever they please.

Jason:

11) You handle so much sexual content every day. Don't you get sick of it?

Sam:

I am immune to it. I made a commitment to myself that i would see this project through and I would be letting myself down if I gave up at this stage. However, I will probably hand the site over to "New Management" within the next year as my freelance design workload is getting heavier as the economy continues to improve in the region.

Jason:

12) Do you ever give yourself a holiday?

Sam:

Running the site is a full time job. No matter where I am in the world, as long as I can connect to the net, I can manage the site.

Jason:

13) How do you avoid being prosecuted? Do you think what you do is illegal? How afraid are you of being caught?

Sam:

I take great pains not to break any Singapore laws. I abide by all laws which cover cyberspace and all my adult material is placed behind adult verification systems so that minors cannot access the contents.

Jason:

14) Do you aspire to make Singapore famous via sex? Why?

Sam:

I do not aspire to make Singapore famous. What I am doing is bringing sex out of the closet into the public arena where it belongs. We are in the 21st century for goodness sake. The Victorian attitudes towards sex are long gone. People need info about sex just as they need information about food. Both are basic needs which can affect their lives in profound ways.

Jason:

15) Do your family and parents know what you're doing? What do they say?

Sam:

They are, in fact, extremely supportive. Freedom of information on any subject has to be good for society in the long run even though the subject of sex does seem to ruffle some feathers. Statistics from countries such as Sweden have shown that a liberal attitude towards sex has been extremely beneficial.

Ignorance, on the other hand, has resulted in the rampant spread of STDs in countries which suppress all means of sexual expression. Just look at the situation in the African Continent where sex is taboo and society is in a state of denial as far as HIV is concerned.

Jason:

16) Don't you think what you do glorifies commercial sex, and its related ills like spread of Aids, exploitation of women etc? How do you feel if a 14-year-old stumbles onto your site, gets curious, and go out to screw a prostitute in Geylang?

Sam:

14 year olds have been curious about sex long before the internet ever existed. As a matter of fact, my first visit to a brothel was when I was 15 and I did NOT have the benefit of the world wide web in those days. If the internet disappeared from the face of the earth tomorrow, horny teenagers would simply revert to traditional sources of information eg friends at school, smuggled or underground magazines, pimps at street corners and so on. To accuse my site of being the cause of irresponsible sexual behaviour is like the proverbial shooting of the messenger (of bad news).

In my view, the internet has made commercial sex a lot safer as youngsters can find out all the info they need about the risk. In fact, I have published an excellent summary of all the risks at http://www.sammyboy.com/stdsummary.html.

Jason:

17) You do showcase some pronographic images and video footages on your site. Doesn't this violate the law here? Doesn't this go against your so-called principle of providing a "purely democratic forum and nothing else"?

Sam:

I have never claimed that the site is just a purely democratic forum. My aim is to provide a total sexual experience for the Singaporean male.

Jason:

18) Some members of the forum periodically post nude images too. So why didn't you removed these?

Sam:

All messages containing porn are removed from the forum as soon as they are detected.

Jason:

19) How many registered users do you have now? What's the sign-up rate? How do you advertise your sites? (I heard that if you type sex and Singapore on any search engine, your site invariably pops up, true?)

Sam:

My site is registered with the major search engines.

Jason:

20) If you're not doing this, what will you be doing? What are your hobbies?

Sam:

I spend a lot of time cycling. I have 3 mountain bikes and a couple of road bikes. Life is short.. Play Hard.

- End -
 

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The Kent Ridge Common, 26 Jul 2009, Kelvin Teo
STOMPing the path of the old Sammyboy forums

SINGAPORE – Sex sells. That is the reality. Sexual themes tend to be crowd pullers; a sex site or porn magazine will be able to draw in more audiences than a financial news daily for instance. No prizes for guessing which publication between Playboy magazine and Financial Times have a greater number of readers.

Some of the readers may be familiar with Sammyboy forums. At least, the reporters or journalists from The Straits Times and The New Paper should be, having quoted from Sammyboy forummers on certain occasions. The Sammyboy forum had erotic beginnings as a sex forum initially. At a certain point of time, forummers began to discuss and exchange views on non-sexual related topics ranging from sociopolitical issues to hobbies. Thus, the forum host set up the Sammyboy Alfresco Coffeeshop/Kopitiam to meet this end.

Stomp is attempting to emulate Sammyboy in this respect. It came up with a StarBlog section that comprises celebrities and mini-celebrities such as Maia Lee, Jamie Yeo and Dawn Yang. From the very outset, this Starblog section was meant to be a crowd puller. But there is more. Sometime back, each celebrity shared their sexual experiences or opinion of sex, something that was a usual feature in Sammyboy sex forums (Not Sammyboy Alfresco Coffeeshop). One of the eye-catchers was Jamie’s account of her first sexual experience and her first act of masturbation at 6. Whether it is considered positive or negative will depend on which perspective you are coming from.

When Stomp was first set up, there were some who initially feared that the former will establish a hegemony over popular sites that Singaporeans tend to visit. Others charged that Stomp was set up to divert traffic from popular sites with little or no censorship that Singaporeans tend to visit and this was the establishment’s way of ‘managing the Internet’ because Stomp is after all a Straits Times venture, and the Straits Times is notoriously known to some as the establishment’s mouthpiece.

Whatever the reasons behind Stomp’s establishment, the question is whether they will be able to emulate Sammyboy by making use of the proven “sex sells” mantra. It depends on the raison d’etre of Stomp and other extenuating circumstances. Stomp may be relatively successful in attracting certain sections of the crowd – those whom are into gossip chatter, tabloid materials, FHM or/and Maxim magazines and anything related to sex appeal. An importance difference between the establishment of Sammyboy Alfresco Coffeeshop and Stomp is the difference in eras in which they are established.

Sammyboy Alfresco Coffeeshop was established in an era where blogging was considered alien to many Internet users. And the technologies involved in the establishment of a blog such as the ones we see at Wordpress or Blogspot were probably in their primitive stages then. Thus, users usually expressed their views in the forums. When Stomp was established in 2006, blogging was already in fad, and there are a number of established technologies available that allows any user to seamlessly create a blog. Thus, if the other purpose of Stomp is to be a repository of opinions, it will face stiff competition from Wordpress and Blogspot. Simply put, if Stomp wants to play host to a myriad of views and opinions, it will have to do a Wordpress and Blogspot. But, Stomp from the outset was never in the molds of both blog publishing services.

If Stomp intends to be magnet to attract all kinds of audiences, it may fail in this respect. It may not get the better of Blogspot and Wordpress in terms of attracting opinionated netizens although it may attract others. Simply put, it is never in a position to compete with sites that provide intellectual-based contents. For those who worry that Stomp will divert traffic away from the intellectual sites, they can sleep easy at night.
 

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Truly a page out of history!

Despite all the bumps along the road, both the Alfresco and sex forum have survived to this day. We've lost count how many times the sex forum was named as main culprit in all sorts of immoral conduct such as upskirt videos. Yet it still thrives and is a valuable resource. To the webmaster's credit, very prompt action was initiated to address clear forms of abuse like posting non-consensual upskirt and nude pics. Even Action for AIDS has advertised on the sister site before.

The Alfresco forum also had its rough times. One was when the sex forum was forcibly unplugged due to Delphi's policy. The second was during the migration from delphi to vBulletin. Both were situations that could have gone either way. In both cases, Leongsam not only weathered the storm but made the forum even stronger.

So kudos to the forum owner as well as mods like Big Sexy who have been his steadfast assistants throughout these years.
 

scroobal

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When I saw this yesterday I was wondering and thought maybe I should ponder about this a bit more. These are my thoughts.

There are 2 parts to this. First is the part played by you and the second by those who logged in and posted. I remember when it first appeared and my first thoughts were that it was not going to last long and I was thinking weeks in view of what the authorities always do. The second was that no one in his right mind was going to post anything of importance that has already has been posted online somewhere else.

If you step back back there was a 3rd party that played a crucial part and it was George Yeo, who was the in charge of the Ministry of Information. The then newly formed Singapore Broadcasting Authority to police the internet reported to him. He made sure that no draconian rules would apply and merely blocking sites were not the way to go. If SBA had blocked SBF like that they did many other sites we won't be here. So it was fortuitous.

But back to the Sam and the members. People do forget that 1999 was still the old days where fear pretty much ruled and he is an example of that fear.

The Singapore government has recently sought to reassure Internet users that they are not being monitored.

Goh Liang Kwang, chief executive officer of the Singapore Broadcasting Authority, said that individuals who "accidentally stumble upon" pornographic sites on the Internet need not fear any official action.

He said that the authority was concerned mainly with purveyors and distributors of pornography, adding that he had only asked the three companies providing access to the Internet to block a few dozen high-profile sites, "all of them pornography."

Singaporeans were dead scared to access certain site because they actually feared that they going to be prosecuted hence the press release. So in this climate of fear, Sam and a few pioneering members set the stage. Within a year, it was the place to visit to get the latest and every journalist in Singapore knew that.

So, not it was not much easier then. It required balls of brass from all who participated. Sam stood by his word to ensure anonymity and free speech albeit some idiots have no idea where these meant. Members responded by challenging the norms and revealing things.

Wayang Party and its successor Temasek review had the path laid down for them. Even now they never reached the level of transparency that SBF did when it came to the politics of Singapore and the abuse that took place.

Here is a trivial and recent example of the impact of SBF. When SBF revealed the embarrassing 64 position held by PAP MP Yeo Guat Kwang which were plucked directly from his CV, the directive went out that all PAP MP CV will no longer carry details. I saw the instructions to PAP MPs and I laughed and everyone knew it was because of Yeo's case. Temasek Review as usual ran the story. It again made the news when it was mentioned at the SDP rally for Bukit Batok.


In those days life was a lot simpler.
 

Debonerman

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Although I've been rude to him often, I wish Sam a long life. God Bless HIM! And fuck him for banning me for two days!:biggrin:
 

scroobal

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Those who have read the email exchange between Sam and the SPH reporter and the resulting article can tell what kinds ethics those in the brothel hold. I don't think the Journalist and SPH expected Sam to release the email exchange. I do recall that people were shocked by this guy's conduct. Look at Eric Ellis's article in comparison. Eric by the way later lost his permit to reside and cover stories in Singapore.

So the next time a journalist from the brothel approaches anyone of you for coffee and a chat, ask them first for their parents full names. If they ask why, tell them you want to know who are the ones who raised people like them.

If you are interested to know about Jason Tan. Here is a peep. He was SPH local scholar who got first class honours. He went on to join MFA for a couple of year and then worked for a Temasek subsidiary. He back in SPH and works as associate editor for Today reporting to Dominic. The brothel will always look after its best whores. A first class honours grad that has no scruples. and they sure know how to pick them.
 

yinyang

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Asset
Illuminating, with Sam's illustrious start-up.
Probably the wisest thing he did, was to stay away from face off with vultures:biggrin:
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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Illuminating, with Sam's illustrious start-up.
Probably the wisest thing he did, was to stay away from face off with vultures:biggrin:


Agree. The Brothel press must have realized very early they can't manipulate him or paint him into a corner. Scumbag journalists are a worldwide phenomenon but ours is not just scumbag but prostitute boot-lickers too.
 

scroobal

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Agree. He was commissioned by Fairfax which is part owned by Rupert Murdoch to write a profile about Wendi Deng. He spent 3 months researching it and wrote the article. It was immediately canned because Eric had scruples and did the facts. He did not bother who owned the publication. It was subsequently carried elsewhere.

When GY was around he was considered the party ideologue and during his reign in the Information and Arts, doors were open and much leeway was given. Even Tommy Koh was lot more vocal etc. There was also more the dissident types that were young and vocal. Eric was here for a number of years. Then the pendulum swung back.

Eric Ellis always asks the most penetrating questions. Never fails to disappoint and he has a track record of outstanding journalism.
 

scroobal

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I remember within the first month or two of starting up the kopitiam in Delphi, one prick posted a porn photo. Sam told him that Delphi will make the noise and shut down the site. The guy refused. I thought Sam was going to ban him. Instead Sam kept appealing to the guy repeatedly and others joined as well. I thought it was bit odd for a mod/admin/owner to spend time explaining to that extent.

I was at that time more interested about the bullshit and falsehood about dual citizenship, people going to jail, if you are born Singaporean and you left at 2 years old to Australia, you were required to come back etc. I could not believe how the press and rumour mills were misleading people. I kept reading until I picked up the courage to post. One hand placed on the faith that Sam would not screw me and the other on getting the right information across.

It proved the right decision. Sam also became a strong advocate on running businesses for those who were keen to migrate and run a business in Canada and Oz. I remember one chap who was a hairdresser here and went over to Melbourne. And there was dozens others. One lady posted that her business in Bukit Timah was not doing well and was keen to migrate. She asked all the right questions and could see that she also did her research as well. For her diligence, one of the forum members offered to be her sponsor and she migrated with her family. It was so good to hear all these good stories. Those years you would spend your week getting lessons on running a business and proper English from Sam. The difference between advice and advise would be posted weekly.

And the journalists began sending PM to members.


Although I've been rude to him often, I wish Sam a long life. God Bless HIM! And fuck him for banning me for two days!:biggrin:
 

GoldenDragon

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Asset
I remember within the first month or two of starting up the kopitiam in Delphi, one prick posted a porn photo. Sam told him that Delphi will make the noise and shut down the site. The guy refused. I thought Sam was going to ban him. Instead Sam kept appealing to the guy repeatedly and others joined as well. I thought it was bit odd for a mod/admin/owner to spend time explaining to that extent.

I was at that time more interested about the bullshit and falsehood about dual citizenship, people going to jail, if you are born Singaporean and you left at 2 years old to Australia, you were required to come back etc. I could not believe how the press and rumour mills were misleading people. I kept reading until I picked up the courage to post. One hand placed on the faith that Sam would not screw me and the other on getting the right information across.

It proved the right decision. Sam also became a strong advocate on running businesses for those who were keen to migrate and run a business in Canada and Oz. I remember one chap who was a hairdresser here and went over to Melbourne. And there was dozens others. One lady posted that her business in Bukit Timah was not doing well and was keen to migrate. She asked all the right questions and could see that she also did her research as well. For her diligence, one of the forum members offered to be her sponsor and she migrated with her family. It was so good to hear all these good stories. Those years you would spend your week getting lessons on running a business and proper English from Sam. The difference between advice and advise would be posted weekly.

And the journalists began sending PM to members.

Form your post, those must be the good old days. People came in to 'open their eyes' and assist one another.

I suspect it is now on a downward trajectory with lots of nonsense from the you-know-whos.
 

Leongsam

High Order Twit / Low SES subject
Admin
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It's nice to reminisce but the heart is no longer in it. The primary reason for this is that I no longer feel in control of things.

In the good old days I felt I knew just about everything that was necessary to run a website. Now the programming is way beyond me and when it comes to mobile apps I haven't even got off the ground.

This is where I lose out to SPH on line especially on the mobile platform. I don't have an IT department. It's just me.
 
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