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ISIS is making tourble for Islam

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It crossed my mind whether to post this article in the religious folder, but decided against that, because this is not a religious issue, it is a social, or even political issue. ISIS, if they are true muslims, should stop calling their cause a jihad. It gives a very negative view to your muslim brothers and sisters who are ordinary people. If you think that the Western politicians and military blokes are unjustified in their treatment of your holy lands and property in the Middle-East, then go after those buggers politicians and army personnel, but leave the innocent people alone. Because of the terrorist acts, and labelling "infidels" as enemies, you will make everyone in the world an enemy of Islam.

Cheers!

http://www.thanhniennews.com/world/french-muslims-fear-repercussions-from-paris-attacks-53731.html

French Muslims fear repercussions from Paris attacks

Reuters
PARIS - Monday, November 16, 2015 06:12

For the second time this year France's Muslims have seen carnage brought to the streets of Paris by a few radical Islamists and fear that they will now suffer as a consequence.
The shocking wave of violence on Friday, when heavily armed militants killed 129 people and injured 352 in attacks at a concert hall, bars and a stadium, immediately turned the spotlight on Europe's largest Muslim minority.
Muslim community leaders promptly denounced the massacre and politicians clearly blamed the radical Islamic State movement for the violence. But ordinary Muslims fear they will be blamed.
"When you look like a Muslim, it's tough," said Marjan Fouladvind, an Iranian doctoral student in Paris.
"The way people look at us will change again, and not for the better ... Sometimes it's preferable to be mistaken for a Jew and not a Muslim because then there are fewer problems."
Worshippers leaving the Grand Mosque of Paris after the midday prayer also worried that Muslims in France would be blamed for a conflict rooted in the Middle East.
"This story soils Islam and it soils Muslims," said a man named Soufiane. "There are problems over there and they shouldn't be imported here."
France's 5 million Muslims saw how easily the link is made after attacks in January that killed 17 people at the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo and a kosher supermarket.
In the weeks that followed anti-Muslim acts such as the spraying of graffiti on mosques and insults made against veiled women flared up. The National Observatory of Islamophobia registered a rise of 281 percent in such incidents in the first quarter of 2015 compared with the same three months of the previous year.
Saphirnews, a Muslim news website, reported on Sunday that French Muslims were once again becoming "collateral victims of terrorism". Early on Saturday morning, blood-red crosses were found painted on the wall of a mosque in eastern Paris, it said.
The slogan "France, wake up!" was daubed on the wall of a mosque in southern France and "Death to Muslims" was written on walls around Evreux north of Paris, Le Parisien daily reported.
"We don't understand what's going on ... This just pushes us backwards," said Ismael Snoussi, a worshipper at a mosque in Luce, the town outside Chartres where one of Friday's attackers grew up.
Malika Chafi, who works for a non-profit organization, bristled when asked how she as a Muslim felt about the attacks.
"For me, it doesn't make any sense to say 'as a Muslim'," she said outside the Grand Mosque. "I'm a voter, a consumer, a mother, someone who loves classical music. I'm not shocked as a Muslim, but as a citizen.
"This isn't a Muslim issue, this is an issue of police and terrorism."
Nabil, a ground staffer at the Stade de France stadium where two suicide bombers blew themselves up, objected to calling the attackers "jihadists" or "Islamists".
"They're terrorists," he said. "I was 100 meters from the first explosion and the bomb would not have made the difference between a Muslim and a Buddhist."
Muslims in France were citizens like everybody else, he said, and should not have to justify themselves more than others when attacks like that occurred.
He included French politicians in his criticism. "The politicians have a lot of work to do with the Muslim community," he said. "Islamophobia exists and should be dealt with, institutionally and by the politicians."
 

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It's time the Muslim communities worldwide and moderate Muslim leaders spoke up against the rise of Islamic fundamentalism and condemned these senseless acts of violence by their jihadist brethren. Otherwise the rest of the world will lump all Muslims together under the 'terrorist' label.

The elephant in the room amidst all this drama is, of course, the role the Zionist state of Israel plays in stoking Middle East conflicts and sustaining antipathy between Islam and the Western world.
 
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syed putra

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This Paris attack is good news for everyone of us. that means, next summer, arabs will flood our streets and spend their money here instead of the west.
Bangkok, jakarta, KL, singapore, manila. maybe even japan. welcome! welcome!
 

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This Paris attack is good news for everyone of us. that means, next summer, arabs will flood our streets and spend their money here instead of the west.
Bangkok, jakarta, KL, singapore, manila. maybe even japan. welcome! welcome!

Muslims like u are pigs filled with imbalanced mind.
N will always be look down till death
 

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Yup. They should. If the moderates kept quiet, the extremists will feel "supported" and encouraged. I have muslim friends, and they are not radicals. They like motorbikes, soccer, fashion, makan, and I am sure when no one notices, they will sneak some booze into their bodies, not that anybody wants to police them, but they don't wish to draw disapprovals from their community. I know they are not verbal in their ways, and their behaviour is evidently introverted, but nevertheless, they are law-abiding people, not trouble-makers or rabble-rousers. And certainly not terrorists, but the jihadists don't realize that their actions aren't doing their brothers and sisters any good. And their "enemies" aren't going to bow to them, if anything, it only gives them further endorsement to up the ante. The way things are going, it looks like it will become an eye-for-an-eye.

Cheers!

It's time the Muslim communities worldwide and moderate Muslim leaders spoke up against the rise of Islamic fundamentalism and condemned these senseless acts of violence by their jihadist brethren. Otherwise the rest of the world will lump all Muslims together under the 'terrorist' label.
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Ralders

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Yup. They should. If the moderates kept quiet, the extremists will feel "supported" and encouraged. I have muslim friends, and they are not radicals. They like motorbikes, soccer, fashion, makan, and I am sure when no one notices, they will sneak some booze into their bodies, not that anybody wants to police them, but they don't wish to draw disapprovals from their community. I know they are not verbal in their ways, and their behaviour is evidently introverted, but nevertheless, they are law-abiding people, not trouble-makers or rabble-rousers. And certainly not terrorists, but the jihadists don't realize that their actions aren't doing their brothers and sisters any good. And their "enemies" aren't going to bow to them, if anything, it only gives them further endorsement to up the ante. The way things are going, it looks like it will become an eye-for-an-eye.

Cheers!

Malays make up of a large numbers of drug addict
 

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It's time the Muslim communities worldwide and moderate Muslim leaders spoke up against the rise of Islamic fundamentalism and condemned these senseless acts of violence by their jihadist brethren. Otherwise the rest of the world will lump all Muslims together under the 'terrorist' label.

The elephant in the room amidst all this drama is, of course, the role the Zionist state of Israel plays in stoking Middle East conflicts and sustaining antipathy between Islam and the Western world.

Islam is evil. So how can these Muslims denounce evil when they themselves believe in evil cult?

It's like SS Nazi saying Hitler is evil. When all Nazi did was following orders from Hitler.

So Muslim jihadists are just following the murderous example of paedophile Muhammad.
 

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Good for everyone? I remember air-travel was a lot less hassle before 9-11.

I know the current air-strikes in Syria, and earlier military actions against Al-Qaeda and other Islamic Jihadist groups isn't going to stop "terrorism," but how are their own communities going to progress with what they are doing? Civilizations grow and enrich themselves not only with wealth creation, but also arts, sports, literature fashion, medicine, technology, etc. How are societies run by ISIS and their ilk contributing in these areas?

Cheers!

This Paris attack is good news for everyone of us. that means, next summer, arabs will flood our streets and spend their money here instead of the west.
Bangkok, jakarta, KL, singapore, manila. maybe even japan. welcome! welcome!
 

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Iraq Warned of Attacks Before Paris Assault
Jerome Delay—AP
A dispatch said ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi had ordered an attack



Watch Police Detain Man Who Rented Car Used for Paris Attack



Paris Mourners Flee After False Alarm Causes Panic
(BAGHDAD) — Senior Iraqi intelligence officials warned members of the U.S.-led coalition fighting the Islamic State group of imminent assaults by the militant organization just one day before last week’s deadly attacks in Paris killed 129 people, The Associated Press has learned.

Iraqi intelligence sent a dispatch saying the group’s leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, had ordered an attack on coalition countries fighting against them in Iraq and Syria, as well as on Iran and Russia, through bombings or other attacks in the days ahead.
The dispatch said the Iraqis had no specific details on when or where the attack would take place, and a senior French security official told the AP that French intelligence gets this kind of communication “all the time” and “every day.”

Without commenting specifically on the Iraqi warning, a senior U.S. intelligence official said he was not aware of any threat information sent to Western governments that was specific enough to have thwarted the Paris attacks. Officials from the U.S., French and other Western governments have expressed worries for months about Islamic State-inspired attacks by militants who fought in Syria, the official noted. In recent weeks, the sense of danger had spiked.

Six senior Iraqi officials confirmed the information in the dispatch, a copy of which was obtained by the AP, and four of these intelligence officials said they also warned France specifically of a potential attack. Two officials told the AP that France was warned beforehand of details that French authorities have yet to make public.

“We have recovered information from our direct sources in the Islamic State terrorist organization about the orders issued by terrorist ‘Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi’ directing all members of the organization to implement an international attack that includes all coalition countries, in addition to Iran and the Russian Federation, through bombings or assassinations or hostage taking in the coming days. We do not have information on the date and place for implementing these terrorist operations at this time,” the Iraqi dispatch read in part.

Among the other warnings cited by Iraqi officials: that the Paris attacks appear to have been planned in Raqqa, Syria — the Islamic State’s de-facto capital — where the attackers were trained specifically for this operation and with the intention of sending them to France.

The officials also said a sleeper cell in France then met with the attackers after their training and helped them execute the plan.
There were 24 people involved in the operation, they said: 19 attackers and five others in charge of logistics and planning.
The officials all spoke anonymously because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.
The Islamic State group claimed responsibility on Saturday for the gun and bomb attacks on a stadium, a concert hall and Paris cafes that also wounded 350 people, 99 of them seriously. Seven of the attackers blew themselves up. Police have been searching intensively for accomplices.

Iraq’s Foreign Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari, also told journalists in Vienna on Sunday that Iraqi intelligence agencies had obtained information that some countries would be targeted, including France, the United States and Iran, and had shared the intelligence with those countries. Officials in the French presidential palace would not comment.

Every night, the head of French counterintelligence goes to bed asking ‘why not today?’ the French security official said.
The Iraqi government has been sharing intelligence with various coalition nations since they launched their airstrike campaign against the Islamic State group last year. In September, the Iraqi government also announced that it was part of an intelligence-sharing quartet with Russia, Iran and Syria for the purposes of undermining the militant group’s ability to make further battlefield gains.
A third of Iraq and Syria are now part of the self-styled caliphate declared by the Islamic State group last year. A U.S.-led coalition operating in Iraq and Syria is providing aerial support to allied ground forces in both countries, and they are arming and training Iraqi forces. The U.S. said it is also sending as many as 50 special forces to northern Syria.

Russia is also conducting airstrikes in Syria and recently endured a tragedy of its own when a Russian airplane was downed in a suspected bombing in Egypt last month, killing all 224 passengers onboard. The Islamic State group claimed responsibility for that attack as well.

U.S. Rep. Adam Schiff, the ranking member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, said Sunday the attack was likely directed and funded out of Syria.
France has been on edge since January, when Islamic extremists attacked the satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo, which had run cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, and a kosher grocery. Twenty people died, including the three attackers. The Charlie Hebdo attackers claimed links to extremists in Yemen, while the kosher market attacker claimed ties to the Islamic State group.
At the time, France’s prime minister acknowledged “failings” in intelligence that led to the three-day spree of horror, as criticism mounted that the attacks might have been avoided if officials had been more alert to the deadly peril posed by suspects already on their radar.
Experts noted that several factors may have been behind the failures in January: Security services are drowning in data, overwhelmed by the quantity of people and emails they are expected to track, and hampered by the inability to make pre-emptive arrests in democratic countries. Criticism had focused on the failure to more closely follow the two brothers who carried out the attack on the Charlie Hebdo newspaper. One had been convicted on terrorism charges and the other was believed to have linked up with al-Qaida forces while in Yemen. Both were on the U.S. no-fly list, according to a senior U.S. official, because of their links to terrorist movements.
Bernard Bajolet, the head of the French spy service, spoke during a public appearance at George Washington University in Washington two weeks ago about the twin threats France was facing, both from its own extremists and “terrorist actions which are planned (and) ordered from outside or only through fighters coming back to our countries.”
General warnings about potential attacks from Iraqi intelligence or other Middle Eastern intelligence services are not uncommon, the official said. The French were already on high alert.
“During the last month we have disrupted a certain number of attacks in our territory,” Bajolet said. “But this doesn’t mean that we will be able all the time to disrupt such attacks.”
Obtaining intelligence about the Islamic State group has been no easy feat, given the difficulties in accessing territory held by the radical Sunni group. Iraqi agencies generally rely on informants inside the group in both Iraq and Syria for information, but that is not always infallible. Last year, reports from Iraqi intelligence officials and the Iraqi government that al-Baghdadi was injured were later denied or contradicted.
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Different people will point to different causes of this terrorist problem, they all have their arguments to support them. From my stance, I just see these terrorist acts as senseless killing of innocent people. It only causes misery, without moving an inch to solve whatever problems these terrorist want to get even for.

No, I am not a muslim. I like pork.

Cheers!

Muslims are source of problems.
Are u muslims pig.
 

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Islam is so good! Yeah! We should declare Shariah Laws in Singapore!

Chop off your hands after you are caught stealing!
 

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It is the aim of terrorist organizations like ISIS and Al Qaeda to draw moderate Muslims into the fight and cause them to be dissociated from the rest of their communities. Why should ISIS distance themselves from Islam? Their goal is to impose their version of Islam on the rest of the world and create a caliphate based on their own radical ideology.

ISIS does not fear Muslims being targetted or being unfairly painted by non-Muslims. In fact that is their key goal - to cause all Muslims whether moderate or otherwise to become alienated by the rest of society so that they can all be radicalized and become like them. That is what terrorists do. They seek to bring terror to all people, including their own kind.
 

syed putra

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Muslims are source of problems.
Are u muslims pig.

It was just less than a generation ago when mostly chinese communist party cadres across south east asia were wrecking havoc. Did the natives of south east asia ask them to leave except in indonesia where they all fled in terror? Plantation workers and their managers were killed indiscriminately. police officers shot on the street. we are talking about malaya in the 1960-1970's. The attack mellowed after Tun razak, PM of malaysia made a trip to beijing and establish diplomatic relations followed by the rest of asean.
 

yinyang

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...Paris attack is good news ...next summer, arabs will flood our streets and spend their money here instead of the west. Bangkok, jakarta, KL, singapore, manila. maybe even japan. welcome! welcome!
If yours is to take the mickey of parisian tragedy, then it's sick. :(

KL? Arabs are already making their presence felt in Bkt Bintang area -not just tourists kind, but established businesses as with eateries and even laundry shops in alleys! Bkk? Very visible mid east ghettos in lower sukhumvit sois. But then the blind don't see :rolleyes:
 
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