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Emperor Qian Long descendent meet British Empire drug lord in US

tanwahtiu

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Fucking British Empire drug lord US cant beat Chinese warlord. Chinese are warlords and China cant be beaten.

Today China is back to the pre-opium war period and again bankrupt British Empire drug lord US is back to kowtow to Chinese again.

A warlord China will prevail and US President are learning his first Chinese word 你好·。


http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/video/2015-09/25/c_134654806.htm?from=timeline&isappinstalled=0


All the assest of US were funded bvy opium trades and time for Chinese to claim their share of US.

How can there be peace when the ghost of the past of US drugging the Chinese with opium at China door step has NOT apologize for their evil doing. US has blood in their hands.



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Opium Trade was Big Business for Americans

Also, it wasn’t just England involved; many Americans in New England also made their fortunes in the opium trade after the slave trade was outlawed. For example, Franklin Roosevelt’s grandfather, Delano, made most of the family fortune in the Chinese opium trade.

He was not alone. Many of the wealthy New England families built their fortunes on slave and opium trading. In fact, most of the American Ivy League universities were funded to a great degree when dirty money from the slave and opium trade was washed and then use to build new reputations for these families.

For example, John Cleve Green donated much of his opium profits to Princeton University, Abiel Abbott Low used his opium fortune to finance the construction of Colombia University, John Murray Forbes financed the Bell Telephone Company, Joseph Coolidge’s son organized the United Fruit Company and his grandson was the founding executive officer of the Anglo-American Council on Foreign Relations. This is just the tip of the iceberg in showing how many among the power elite made their fortunes with the China opium trade.

The Roosevelt Family, Opium and China Legacy

Franklin Roosevelt was born into the elite lifestyle of a family of wealth and privilege in Hyde Park, New York, with major financial interests in railroads. Most of the real family wealth, however, had been made earlier by Roosevelt’s grandfather, Delano, in his involvement with the opium trade in China.

An interesting aside is the China trade and resources of another kind, oil, would in turn dominate the later President Roosevelt’s determination to create a war with Japan. The original Japanese aggression against China that helped lead up to World War Two was actually initially created by secret negotiations by another Roosevelt, President Teddy Roosevelt. He privately and unconstitutionally urged the Japanese to "civilize" both China and Korea by invading and creating a Japanese-style Monroe Doctrine for Asia. Eventually this culminated in the formation of the "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere," which became the organization used by Japan to run its puppet governments in the occupied nations.


https://www.lewrockwell.com/2012/09...f-conflict-anglo-american-and-chinesehistory/
 
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Tiu Nia Seng, the Ugly Chinaman 醜陋的中國人 is many times worse :oIo:

For many years I’ve contemplated writing a book called The Ugly Chinaman. When The Ugly American was published in the United States, the US State Department chose it as a guide for policy making. But when the Japanese ambassador to Argentina published The Ugly Japanese, he was swiftly removed from his post. This is a good example of the difference between the Orient and the Occident. In China, however, things could be one step worse. If I wrote a book called The Ugly Chinaman, before long you’d be bringing me my meals in jail; that’s the reason why I haven’t written it yet, though I’ve been looking for an opportunity to talk about the subject in public for a long time.

How Hard it is to be Chinese

On the Chinese mainland, the Anti- Rightist Campaign was followed by the Cultural Revolution, an earthshaking disaster without precedent in the history of human civilisation. In addition to the terrible loss of human lives, the Cultural Revolution caused incalculable damage by destroying humanitarian values and defiling the nobility of the human spirit, without which there remains very little to separate man from beast. Those ‘Ten Years of Devastation’ turned many people into animals. How can a nation whose morality has degenerated to this level ever regain its self-respect?…

Everyone’s talking about the Hong Kong question nowadays. When a piece of a country’s territory is snatched away by another country, it is always a cause for shame. And when that territory is finally returned to its rightful owner — like a child returning to its mother’s embrace — the event becomes a cause for celebration on both sides. You must be familiar with France’s ceding of Alsace-Lorraine to Germany. The original loss of the two states was extremely painful, and the reunification a cause for great rejoicing. In the case of Hong Kong, however, no sooner was the news out that the territory would be returned to the motherland than people panicked. How do you explain this? In Taiwan, a number of young people — both native Taiwanese and Mainlanders — support the idea of an independent Taiwan. This is the so-called Taiwan Independence Movement. I recall thirty years ago when Taiwan was restored to China by Japan, we were all overjoyed; it was as if a lost child had found its way back to the arms of its mother. Thirty years later, what is it that has brought about this change of heart, this child’s desire to leave home and try to make it on its own again? Chinese people share the same blood, the same physical appearance, the same ancestry and culture, the same written and spoken languages; only geographical differences divide them. How, then, has the present situation come about?

Even among the Chinese in the United States you will find the absurd situation wherein leftists, rightists, moderates, independents, left-leaning moderates, moderate-leaning leftists, right-leaning moderates, and moderate-leaning rightists can’t seem to find a common language and are constantly at each other’s throats. What does this imply about the Chinese people? What does this imply about China itself? No other nation on earth has such a long history or such a well-preserved cultural tradition, a tradition which has in the past given rise to an extremely advanced civilisation. Neither the Greeks nor the Egyptians of today bear any relationship to their ancient forebears, while the Chinese people of today are the direct descendants of the ancient Chinese. How is it possible for such a great people to have degenerated to such a state of ugliness? Not only have we been bullied around by foreigners; even worse, for centuries we’ve been bullied around by our own kind — from tyrannical emperors to despotic officials and ruthless mobs…

https://www.thechinastory.org/yearb...um-counting-and-corruption/the-ugly-chinaman/
 

tanwahtiu

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what you have written was after the British Empire destroyed China with opium trade at China door step from 1700 - 1900s period. 150 years of China become a poor nation and poverty from the British Empire atrocity to destroy a great Chinese nation.

If the ugly British Empire were NOT to drugged China Mao and the Japanese invasion will not exist. A poor nation can be bullied even by small neighbor nation like Japan.

Japan stopped British Empire drug trade in Japan door step and as such in the 1800-1900 the Japanese advanced in the technology and become a great nation that has military might to even occupied A big nation like China.

Please be clear that the bankrupt British Empire need vast and immense amount of cash and funding to build their Empire, and industrial revolution, and lands which they occupied in North America, Canada, Australia, South Africa, Strait Settlement Singapore and Borneo. They turned to drug trade and grow opium in Calcutta (which they occupied through blood war with India).

Asia and North Asia China were made poor nations NOT by Choice but from one evil cash trapped British nation which turn drugg trafficker. Only wealthy nations like China are targeted for drug trade. You don't sell drug to poor nations do you?


China history from 1700-1900 period was cleared that the British Empire destroyed China with drug trafficking.

The history of China would be different if they were NOT drugged by the Pommies.

Don't despise the Chines and China.


The Way of Heaven
In a poignant letter to Queen Victoria, Imperial High Commissioner Lin Zexu wrote:


“I am told that in your own country opium smoking is forbidden under severe penalties. This means that you are aware of how harmful it is. So long as you do not take it yourselves, but continue to make it and tempt the people of China to buy it, such conduct is repugnant to human feeling and at variance with the Way of Heaven.”

“The Way of Heaven,” Lin argued, was:


“…fairness to all; it does not suffer us to harm others in order to benefit ourselves. Men are alike in this all the world over: that they cherish life and hate what endangers life. Your country lies 20,000 leagues away; but for all that the Way of Heaven holds good for you as for us, and your instincts are not different from ours; for nowhere are there men so blind as not to distinguish what brings profit and what does harm…”

But for Britain, the profit justified the harm. On April 6, 1843, the Times would sum up Prime Minister Robert Peel’s position:

“Morality and religion, and the happiness of mankind, and friendly relations with China, and new markets for British manufactures were all very fine things in their way; but that the opium trade was worth to the Indian government £1,200,000…”

Reluctantly, Commissioner Lin gave the British a 3-day ultimatum, and after waiting a full week for a response, he blockaded the harbor. During the foreigners’ confinement, Cohong merchants carefully preserved the Westerners’ property from harm, and insured that their foreign prisoners wined and dined in comfort. Lin reasoned that if he treated his foreign prisoners with respect and courtesy, they would recognize the error of their ways, abandon the opium trade, and turn to legitimate pursuits. But Western newspapers trumpeted China’s barbarous treatment of Europeans, and stoked up the war propaganda machine.

Up in Smoke
A sullen Captain Elliott surrendered 20,283 chests of opium, valued at £2 million. It took Lin six weeks to destroy it, and as gray smoke clouded Canton’s sky, he noted of foreign observers, “I should judge from their attitudes that they have the decency to feel heartily ashamed.”

But anger, not shame, reddened their faces. In July 1839, the British destroyed and scattered 29 Chinese war junks. Unsuspecting peasants rushed to greet British ships off TingHai on July 5th. In “Six Months with the Chinese Expedition” (1841), Lord Jocelyn described the British greeting:


“The ships opened their broadsides upon the town, and the crashing of timber, falling houses, and groans of men resounded from the shore…We landed on a deserted beach, a few dead bodies, bows and arrows, broken spears and guns remaining the sole occupants of the fields.”

If the trade is ever legalized, it will cease to be profitable from that time. The more difficulties that attend it, the better for you and us."
.................................-- Directors of Jardine-Matheson


http://www.amoymagic.com/OpiumWar.htm






Tiu Nia Seng, the Ugly Chinaman 醜陋的中國人 is many times worse :oIo:

For many years I’ve contemplated writing a book called The Ugly Chinaman. When The Ugly American was published in the United States, the US State Department chose it as a guide for policy making. But when the Japanese ambassador to Argentina published The Ugly Japanese, he was swiftly removed from his post. This is a good example of the difference between the Orient and the Occident. In China, however, things could be one step worse. If I wrote a book called The Ugly Chinaman, before long you’d be bringing me my meals in jail; that’s the reason why I haven’t written it yet, though I’ve been looking for an opportunity to talk about the subject in public for a long time.

How Hard it is to be Chinese

On the Chinese mainland, the Anti- Rightist Campaign was followed by the Cultural Revolution, an earthshaking disaster without precedent in the history of human civilisation. In addition to the terrible loss of human lives, the Cultural Revolution caused incalculable damage by destroying humanitarian values and defiling the nobility of the human spirit, without which there remains very little to separate man from beast. Those ‘Ten Years of Devastation’ turned many people into animals. How can a nation whose morality has degenerated to this level ever regain its self-respect?…

Everyone’s talking about the Hong Kong question nowadays. When a piece of a country’s territory is snatched away by another country, it is always a cause for shame. And when that territory is finally returned to its rightful owner — like a child returning to its mother’s embrace — the event becomes a cause for celebration on both sides. You must be familiar with France’s ceding of Alsace-Lorraine to Germany. The original loss of the two states was extremely painful, and the reunification a cause for great rejoicing. In the case of Hong Kong, however, no sooner was the news out that the territory would be returned to the motherland than people panicked. How do you explain this? In Taiwan, a number of young people — both native Taiwanese and Mainlanders — support the idea of an independent Taiwan. This is the so-called Taiwan Independence Movement. I recall thirty years ago when Taiwan was restored to China by Japan, we were all overjoyed; it was as if a lost child had found its way back to the arms of its mother. Thirty years later, what is it that has brought about this change of heart, this child’s desire to leave home and try to make it on its own again? Chinese people share the same blood, the same physical appearance, the same ancestry and culture, the same written and spoken languages; only geographical differences divide them. How, then, has the present situation come about?

Even among the Chinese in the United States you will find the absurd situation wherein leftists, rightists, moderates, independents, left-leaning moderates, moderate-leaning leftists, right-leaning moderates, and moderate-leaning rightists can’t seem to find a common language and are constantly at each other’s throats. What does this imply about the Chinese people? What does this imply about China itself? No other nation on earth has such a long history or such a well-preserved cultural tradition, a tradition which has in the past given rise to an extremely advanced civilisation. Neither the Greeks nor the Egyptians of today bear any relationship to their ancient forebears, while the Chinese people of today are the direct descendants of the ancient Chinese. How is it possible for such a great people to have degenerated to such a state of ugliness? Not only have we been bullied around by foreigners; even worse, for centuries we’ve been bullied around by our own kind — from tyrannical emperors to despotic officials and ruthless mobs…

https://www.thechinastory.org/yearb...um-counting-and-corruption/the-ugly-chinaman/
 
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tanwahtiu

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The teaching of British history in schools in Britain is perhaps as shameful, or more, as the teachings on slavery in certain regions of the United States. lavery itself is another telling example of the systematic ignorance of history in the UK. If you are to believe the public discourse (when it occurs) around Britain’s contribution to slavery, all Britain did was lead the way by abolishing slavery in 1833. Never mind that Liverpool’s rapid growth as a city in the 18th century was predicated on the profits of the slave trade; this appears to be relevant neither to the history of the city or the history of the nation.

http://uchicagogate.com/2015/05/26/britains-colonial-shame/

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Another British Empire shame in Australia and the PM had to apologize ....

http://www.australia.gov.au/about-a...ople/apology-to-australias-indigenous-peoples

Apology Transcript


The Speaker of the House (Hon Harry Jenkins MP): The Clerk.

The Clerk: Government business notice number 1, Motion offering an apology to Australia's Indigenous peoples.

The Speaker: Prime Minister.

Prime Minister (Hon Kevin Rudd MP): Mr Speaker, I move:

That today we honour the Indigenous peoples of this land, the oldest continuing cultures in human history.

We reflect on their past mistreatment.

We reflect in particular on the mistreatment of those who were Stolen Generations - this blemished chapter in our nation's history.

The time has now come for the nation to turn a new page in Australia's history by righting the wrongs of the past and so moving forward with confidence to the future.

We apologise for the laws and policies of successive Parliaments and governments that have inflicted profound grief, suffering and loss on these our fellow Australians.

We apologise especially for the removal of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children from their families, their communities and their country











Tiu Nia Seng, the Ugly Chinaman 醜陋的中國人 is many times worse :oIo:

For many years I’ve contemplated writing a book called The Ugly Chinaman. When The Ugly American was published in the United States, the US State Department chose it as a guide for policy making. But when the Japanese ambassador to Argentina published The Ugly Japanese, he was swiftly removed from his post. This is a good example of the difference between the Orient and the Occident. In China, however, things could be one step worse. If I wrote a book called The Ugly Chinaman, before long you’d be bringing me my meals in jail; that’s the reason why I haven’t written it yet, though I’ve been looking for an opportunity to talk about the subject in public for a long time.

How Hard it is to be Chinese

https://www.thechinastory.org/yearb...um-counting-and-corruption/the-ugly-chinaman/
 

Asterix

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In his later years, the Qianlong Emperor became spoiled with power and glory, disillusioned and complacent in his reign, and started placing his trust in corrupt officials such as Yu Minzhong and Heshen.

As Heshen was the highest ranked minister and most favoured by Qianlong at the time, the day-to-day governance of the country was left in his hands, while Qianlong himself indulged in the arts, luxuries and literature. When Heshen was executed by the Jiaqing Emperor, the Qing government discovered that Heshen's personal fortune exceeded that of the Qing Empire's depleted treasury, amounting to 900 million silver taels, the total of 12 years of Treasury surplus of the Qing imperial court.[51]

Qianlong began his reign with about 33.95 million silver taels in Treasury surplus.[citation needed] At the peak of his reign, around 1775, even with further tax cuts, the treasury surplus still reached 73.9 million silver taels, a record unmatched by his predecessors, the Kangxi and Yongzheng emperors, both of whom had implemented remarkable tax cut policies.[citation needed]

However, due to numerous factors such as long term embezzlement and corruption by officials, frequent expeditions to the south, huge palace constructions, many war and rebellion campaigns as well as his own extravagant lifestyle, all of these cost the treasury a total of 150.2 million silver taels.[citation needed] This, coupled with his senior age and the lack of political reforms, ushered the beginning of the gradual decline and eventual demise of the Qing Empire, casting a shadow over his glorious and brilliant political life.[52]

During the mid-18th century, the Qianlong Emperor began to face pressures from the West to increase foreign trade. The proposed cultural exchange between the British Empire at the time and the Qing Empire collapsed due to many factors. Firstly, there was a lack of any precedent interaction with overseas foreign kingdoms apart from neighbouring tributory states to guide Qianlong towards a more informed response. Furthermore, competing worldviews that were incompatible between China and Britain, the former holding entrenched beliefs that China was the "central kingdom", and the latter's push for rapid liberalisation of trade relations, worsened ties.

George Macartney was sent by King George III as ambassador extraordinary to congratulate the Qianlong Emperor on his 80th birthday and – more importantly – to seek a range of trade concessions. He was granted an audience with the Qianlong Emperor on two separate days, the second of which coincided with the emperor's 82nd birthday. There is continued discussion about the nature of the audience, and what level of ceremonials were performed. Demands from the Qing court that the British trade ambassadors kneel and perform the kowtow were strongly resisted by Macartney, and debate continues as to what exactly occurred, differing opinions recorded by Qing courtiers and British delegates.[53]

..........

Macartney expressed conclusions in his memoirs which were widely disseminated:


The Empire of China is an old, crazy, first-rate Man of War, which a fortunate succession of able and vigilant officers have contrived to keep afloat for these hundred and fifty years past, and to overawe their neighbours merely by her bulk and appearance. But whenever an insufficient man happens to have the command on deck, adieu to the discipline and safety of the ship. She may, perhaps, not sink outright; she may drift some time as a wreck, and will then be dashed to pieces on the shore; but she can never be rebuilt on the old bottom.[55]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qianlong_Emperor

In other words, Chinese should 以史为鑒 and learn to admit their errors and mistakes, deficiencies in their culture and political system, et cetera and stop laying total blame on others for their problems .....

Qian Long is a typical Cina Ah Pek ...... I bet you he sneezed like farking thunder in public places without covering his offending orifices ........ after all who dares to offend the emperor ......

[video=youtube;Lg5EgemHz3g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg5EgemHz3g&index=11&list=PLyCQ0ZaC0peaJopZvcSVJ6WqixcXEAx-3[/video]
 
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tanwahtiu

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I can understand where you are coming from. Under Qianlong reign China is still an advance nation and the Chinese are still developing and need time to change and modernize.

You have to look at the British side of the story too. The British Empire expand too fast and they want to catch up with China through new untried technology innovation development which they borrowed from China inventions, like building war machines, bridges, farming and so on.


China must be weaken so that Chinese cannot disrupt or intervene the progress of British Empire to grab this massive America lands from Canada to Mexico. The drugging of China make sense in 4 folds

1. Use drug to get their Chinese money to fund British Empire America/ Australia/ Cananda industrial developments.

2. A weak China will not disrupt British Empire to grab America for themsleve.

3. Drug China for eas money to fund theirindustrial revolution development. A complete new technology development, like electricity, is high risk business which will bankrupt British Empire. Drug money is easy money to solved this problem, agree? 2000% profit from opium.

4. When a weak nation China is broken, the Chinese are marketed as drug addicts and poor nation which they want their White people to see Chinese to look down upon.

Qianlong reign as bad emperor is not the main issue for China. Emperor can be replaced but drugging China for drug money to expand British Empire is another.

Look at the British Empire expansion, and their industrial revolution development funding problem, you will see a different picture altogether.

What about this opium monopoly in Singapore that he British did to Chinese in Singapore? Why a British governor in Singapore dealing in drug trafficking and drugged their own non-white British Subjects mainly Chinese for easy drug money? Where does the massive earnings of drug money goes to? Again to fund the British Empire expansion from America (they call USA), Australia and to Canada?

Drug money is easy money and you can to do anything you want to development or expand?



http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/history/om/om4.htm

and this

http://www.amoymagic.com/OpiumWar.htm

New Markets

As China tightened her borders, Britain pinned her hopes on her other Asian colonies. Opium production in the Straits Settlements (Singapore, Penang, Malacca, Labuan) rose from 353,938 pounds in 1916 to 370,688 pounds in 1920, in spite of Britain’s promise at the Hague Convention to limit opium sales. In 1918, 60% of Britain’s Asian income was derived from opium sales. In 1925, opium accounted for 48% of Singapore’s revenue, and 100% of North Borneo’s. At the 1923 Opium Conference, Mr. Campbell admitted that the British Indian government was determined to maintain high levels of both internal consumption and export, and that they,

“controlled the production, distribution, sale, possession – every possible practical question which could arise in connection with opium—in the strictest possible manner—They had built up a complicated and highly efficient administrative system which started from the time the poppy seed was put into the ground, and did not relinquish control of the drug until it was in the hands of the consumers, or till it was actually exported.”

Some wits noted wryly that the Crown did all but light the addicts’ pipes.

When Indians begged Britain to abandon the opium policy, Britain responded that her opium monopoly was a humanitarian service to India (as it had been to China), and that to end the trade would be “a mockery; to many millions it would be sheer inhumanity.”




In his later years, the Qianlong Emperor became spoiled with power and glory, disillusioned and complacent in his reign, and started placing his trust in corrupt officials such as Yu Minzhong and Heshen.

As Heshen was the highest ranked minister and most favoured by Qianlong at the time, the day-to-day governance of the country was left in his hands, while Qianlong himself indulged in the arts, luxuries and literature. When Heshen was executed by the Jiaqing Emperor, the Qing government discovered that Heshen's personal fortune exceeded that of the Qing Empire's depleted treasury, amounting to 900 million silver taels, the total of 12 years of Treasury surplus of the Qing imperial court.[51]

Qianlong began his reign with about 33.95 million silver taels in Treasury surplus.[citation needed] At the peak of his reign, around 1775, even with further tax cuts, the treasury surplus still reached 73.9 million silver taels, a record unmatched by his predecessors, the Kangxi and Yongzheng emperors, both of whom had implemented remarkable tax cut policies.[citation needed]

However, due to numerous factors such as long term embezzlement and corruption by officials, frequent expeditions to the south, huge palace constructions, many war and rebellion campaigns as well as his own extravagant lifestyle, all of these cost the treasury a total of 150.2 million silver taels.[citation needed] This, coupled with his senior age and the lack of political reforms, ushered the beginning of the gradual decline and eventual demise of the Qing Empire, casting a shadow over his glorious and brilliant political life.[52]

During the mid-18th century, the Qianlong Emperor began to face pressures from the West to increase foreign trade. The proposed cultural exchange between the British Empire at the time and the Qing Empire collapsed due to many factors. Firstly, there was a lack of any precedent interaction with overseas foreign kingdoms apart from neighbouring tributory states to guide Qianlong towards a more informed response. Furthermore, competing worldviews that were incompatible between China and Britain, the former holding entrenched beliefs that China was the "central kingdom", and the latter's push for rapid liberalisation of trade relations, worsened ties.


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