• IP addresses are NOT logged in this forum so there's no point asking. Please note that this forum is full of homophobes, racists, lunatics, schizophrenics & absolute nut jobs with a smattering of geniuses, Chinese chauvinists, Moderate Muslims and last but not least a couple of "know-it-alls" constantly sprouting their dubious wisdom. If you believe that content generated by unsavory characters might cause you offense PLEASE LEAVE NOW! Sammyboy Admin and Staff are not responsible for your hurt feelings should you choose to read any of the content here.

    The OTHER forum is HERE so please stop asking.

You really believe?

tanwahp

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
You really believe that:

- a solitary MP who built a town council from scratch, brick by brick with no support whatsoever, and ran it smoothly for the next 20 years

- a lawyer qualified enough to enter an elusive polytechnic law faculty

- a Rhodes scholar who took charge of Hong Kong's biggest IPO

..... would run a town council so way below par of those in the rest of the island? Would lead it to be so corrupted as their enemies described?

Or is it the conditions of the state, plus some framing and help of the media, at play?
 

Thick Face Black Heart

Alfrescian (InfP)
Generous Asset
You really believe that:

- a solitary MP who built a town council from scratch, brick by brick with no support whatsoever, and ran it smoothly for the next 20 years

- a lawyer qualified enough to enter an elusive polytechnic law faculty

- a Rhodes scholar who took charge of Hong Kong's biggest IPO

..... would run a town council so way below par of those in the rest of the island? Would lead it to be so corrupted as their enemies described?

Or is it the conditions of the state, plus some framing and help of the media, at play?


The attack on AHPETC is a coordinated attack that involves the cooperation of a large number of pro PAP elements. They are pulling out all stops.

We must not deny that mistakes have been made on the part of the TC and the MPs themselves. But those have been exaggerated and blown out of proportion. I don't think opposition supporters are fooled.

WP is still on track to win Aljunied. The effect of the coordinate attack has been to plant seeds of doubt in fence sitters in nearby constituencies and attempt to erode support for the opposition as a whole. The PAP strategy is also to tie WP down in Aljunied and waste resources that could otherwise have been used spreading their wings to other constituencies.

This effort must have taken years to plan, even before Aljunied fell surely the PAP would have anticipated the fall of a GRC and planned their countermove.

The burning question now is whether Singaporeans are wise enough to see through all of this and place national issues at the forefront of attention. Whether the missteps in PAP's policies are severe enough to cause enough Singaporeans to turn their backs on the PAP despite the all-out assault on WP's competency.
 

Leongsam

High Order Twit / Low SES subject
Admin
Asset
The burning question now is whether Singaporeans are wise enough to see through all of this and place national issues at the forefront of attention. Whether the missteps in PAP's policies are severe enough to cause enough Singaporeans to turn their backs on the PAP despite the all-out assault on WP's competency.

We all know that sinkies are anything but wise. If they had an ounce of wisdom the PAP would not have remained in power for the last half a century.
 

tanwahp

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
We must not deny that mistakes have been made on the part of the TC and the MPs themselves. But those have been exaggerated and blown out of proportion. I don't think opposition supporters are fooled.

There's no human that would not make mistakes. There are only the types who point at other's mistakes as if they won't make the same mistakes, but when they do they will say "what mistake?", like Goh Meng Seng.

What Singaporeans need to ask themselves is:

1. Do they think a party that performs well might as well occupy the legislature fully, ie if PAP fails badly and SDP rises, we should give SDP all 87 seats.

2. Do they think a party's performance should be uniform with the proportion of seats they deserve. Eg, if PAP scores 60% as a government, their majority should be 55% to 65% at best. Which means unless PAP's performance is 100%, PAP doesn't deserve to win every seat.

If Singaporeans disagree with 1 and agree with 2, PAP's to opposition's balance of 79 to 7 right now is just about right if not still lopsided towards PAP. PAP has 90% of the seats - do you, voters, even think PAP's performance is 90%?

I ask this because in 2011, Potong Pasir under SDP / SPP was recaptured by PAP, leaving only WP's seats in parliament. All WP's seats are under AHPETC. By voting out WP totally, we have 100% PAP which brings us back to 1980. Is that what you want to see?

The chances that WP loses all their seats but other opposition parties win something is remote. With SPP, SDP, NSP, Singfirst, SDA, RP DPP and PPP fighting for 80 seats, there will be many 3CF. Also, PAP will simply repeat the strategy it used on WP and they will be gone by the next GE.
 

tanwahp

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
We all know that sinkies are anything but wise. If they had an ounce of wisdom the PAP would not have remained in power for the last half a century.

Not that Singaporeans are unwise, but the combination of conditions back then favoured the PAP.

The issue is about getting out of the PAP mould in today's times.
 

Manager

Don't mess with me
Generous Asset
you are a starry eyed guy who thinks the useless oppositions can do better :rolleyes:

Not that Singaporeans are unwise, but the combination of conditions back then favoured the PAP.

The issue is about getting out of the PAP mould in today's times.
 

tanwahtiu

Alfrescian
Loyal
go fuck back to your UArsA and did you come with a fake degree mill to work in Singapore?

Do you trust this spilt personality BS man in the 1950 when he was an opposition?

“But we either believe in democracy or we not. If we do, then, we must say categorically, without qualification, that no restraint from the any democratic processes, other than by the ordinary law of the land, should be allowed… If you believe in democracy, you must believe in it unconditionally. If you believe that men should be free, then, they should have the right of free association, of free speech, of free publication. Then, no law should permit those democratic processes to be set at nought.”
- Lee Kuan Yew as an opposition leader, April 27, 1955


“If it is not totalitarian to arrest a man and detain him, when you cannot charge him with any offence against any written law – if that is not what we have always cried out against in Fascist states – then what is it?… If we are to survive as a free democracy, then we must be prepared, in principle, to concede to our enemies – even those who do not subscribe to our views – as much constitutional rights as you concede yourself.”
- Opposition leader Lee Kuan Yew, Legislative Assembly Debates, Sept 21, 1955

“If we say that we believe in democracy, if we say that the fabric of a democratic society is one which allows for the free play of idea…then, in the name of all the gods, give that free play a chance to work within the constitutional framework.”
- Opposition leader Lee Kuan Yew, Singapore Legislative Assembly, Oct 4, 1956




you are a starry eyed guy who thinks the useless oppositions can do better :rolleyes:
 

Patriot

Alfrescian
Loyal
Do you trust this spilt personality BS man in the 1950 when he was an opposition?

Lee+Kuan+Yew+Standard+Chartered+Singapore+57SWMyY1_2xl.jpg


Lee+Kuan+Yew+Singapore+Chinese
 

jw5

Moderator
Moderator
Loyal
Whatever pappies say, I usually believe the opposite. Doesn't really matter who or what they are talking about. :biggrin:
 

Thick Face Black Heart

Alfrescian (InfP)
Generous Asset
Not that Singaporeans are unwise, but the combination of conditions back then favoured the PAP.


Agree. There was an array of factors favoured the PAP in the past. I shall divide these into "good" and "bad" factors. By "good" factors, I mean factors that happened to serve the national interests even as it served the PAP interests. By "bad" factors, I mean factors that held back our social and political evolution as a country, and only served the interests of the PAP and a small group of elites.

First, the "bad" factors:

(a) co-opting of grassroots organizations to serve partisan interests
(b) use of state resources to buy (or coerce) votes - HDB upgrading carrot-on-a-stick scheme, for example
(c) near-perfect control of the mainstream press
(d) use of defamation suits and other laws to stifle dissenting voices
(e) entrenchment of GLCs in the economy

Next, the "good" factors:

(i) took advantage of regional and global trends to develop our economy (1960-2004). After that period, we become less innovative, less productive, and started relying too much on foreign trash.
(ii) healthy commercial sex / escorting industry and vibrant night life both which are treated with a selective "light-touch" approach - males are placated.

The way I see it, housing prices have reached a secular peak, the economy has also reach some sork of peak, and foreigners have hollowed out our economy. Jobs are harder for Singaporeans now and there's a lot of unfair competition and discrimination against Singaporeans in the job market.

On the other hand, thanks to alternative media and online forums like SBF, Singaporeans are becoming more politically aware of the "bad" factors listed above and realize they are highly deterimental to the health of the nation.

Singaporeans are also acutely feeling the negative effects of policies like FTs and high cost of living. So moving forward, people will have lesser and lesser reasons to support the PAP.
 

GoldenDragon

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
The PAP will give up Aljunied if WP wins during the next GE. Similar to Hougang. They will use all tricks available in their all-out effort to reclaim Aljunied. More to come. Interesting times ahead.

Voters just need to know this - inadequacies exposed but nothing close to criminal. Otherwise AGC would have directed charges under Penal Code or Prevention of Corruption Act.
 

sleaguepunter

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
It almost quarter of century since hougangites rejected papig and will continue to reject papig eve when papigs become opposition. SG50 yet half of it houganites wake up every morning knowing they make the right choice while the rest of the nation are idiots.
 

halsey02

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
you are a starry eyed guy who thinks the useless oppositions can do better :rolleyes:

PAP was once an opposition, our forefathers must have starry eyes to vote for them, for they were better? is this your logic? "two legs good, four legs better" or " four legs good, two legs better"...." it doesn't really if the cat is black or white, as long as in catches mice"...know this quote? or when it was spoken, the spermatozoa had not fertilised the ovum.

So, "two legs" or "four legs" or would you prefer a nation of useless " there legs"??
 
Top