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Does this make economic sense? HDB's new mechanized parking multi level garages.

Papsmearer

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One of Lee Bee wah's hair brained ideas. The HDB will build multi story mechanized parking towers to supplement its stock of park lots in the pilot estates. So one example that Penang Cow gave was that $5 million will be spend to create 60 new additional parking spaces using this tower system. Since they are keeping the charges the same, I am taking $90 as a monthly season parking for a covered car park. This means that the additional 60 lots will add $5400 per month in parking revenues. Since, it cost $5 million to build, at this rate, it will take 926 months or 71 years to pay off!! Are you kidding me? And these things cost electricity to operate, as well, the system has to be maintained, all costing money. In Yishun, they are spending $3 million to add 22 additional parking space. There is really no economic returns at all. Is this a prestige project of the PAP?

SINGAPORE: Residents in three public housing estates trying out the mechanised parking system will find it easier to get parking lots. The system in these three estates, costing a total of about S$18 million, is on track to be ready by the end of next year.


The pilot sites are at: Bangkit Road, beside Block 259A; Yishun Avenue 4, beside Block 666A; and Changi Village Road, behind Block 1.

The mechanised parking system will help address the shortage of car parks, especially in older HDB estates where there is limited space to build more car park lots.


The new parking system will be fully automated, which means that motorists do not have to hunt for a lot. They need only park their vehicles in the car-lift and key in a PIN number.

The system will allow automatic transfer of the vehicles to an empty parking storage area. To retrieve the vehicles, motorists simply key in the same PIN number.

The commencement ceremony for Bangkit Road site took place on Sunday (Sep 14) , with National Development Minister Khaw Boon Wan, as the guest of honour. In a blog post, Mr Khaw said that the plans are progressing well, with construction to start next week.

The new mechanised parking system will add another 60 lots to the current 311, at a cost of about S$5 million.

The pilot project at Yishun will cost about S$3 million and will boast 246 lots, up from the current 224 lots.

The project at Changi Village will cost around S$10 million and will increase the number of lots from the current 182 to 319.


This being a pilot study, HDB will keep the parking charges for the mechanised parking system at the same rate as existing car parks.


The pilot implementation will allow HDB to test bed the suitability of the technology in Singapore, gauge users’ acceptance of the system, and gain learning points, before considering future implementation to more sites.


Earlier in October 2013, Lee Bee Wah, Chairperson of the Government Parliamentary Committee (GPC) for National Development and Environment, announced that HDB would be implementing the mechanised parking system in the three pilot sites. The announcement came after a joint GPC-HDB study on the viability of mechanised parking in HDB estates in Singapore, initiated by Ms Lee in January 2012.

HDB has assured residents that a comprehensive maintenance regime will be in place to ensure the reliability of the mechanised parking system. Should the system break down, motorists can call a 24-hour service hotline for immediate assistance. The parking system is also fitted with a back-up power generator and a manual mechanism that allows the retrieval of vehicles
 

virus

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the whore purpose is to increase massing, thereby increasing land use per se. of cos this does not address many other key issues such as the road gridlock like bt timah junction of PIE, despite the massive 4 land increase is still gridlock. this is result of poor planning, better money should be spent to increase the availability of public transport. 5 carriages platform should be upgraded to 8 carriages for increased load and future proofing.
 

sochi2014

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Mechanized parking is the way to go. It saves land spaces more cars can stack on top of one another. Just press a some pin number the cars will be delivered to you at ground floor. Hard for theives to steal your car and your cash cards unless he becomes Spiderman. But this mechanical thingie tends to break down often and there must technical standby 24x7 just in case you need to send someone to hospital in the middle of the night.
 

enterprise2

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Mechanized parking is the way to go. It saves land spaces more cars can stack on top of one another. Just press a some pin number the cars will be delivered to you at ground floor. Hard for theives to steal your car and your cash cards unless he becomes Spiderman. But this mechanical thingie tends to break down often and there must technical standby 24x7 just in case you need to send someone to hospital in the middle of the night.

Yes, if they keep charges the same, then taxpayers r funding this. I also want this in private estate!!
 

laksaboy

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Population White Paper is on schedule, and mechanized carparks are integral to the masterplan. :wink:

If you have less people, you have less cars, and hence less congestion and less competition for carpark space.
 

laksaboy

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But this mechanical thingie tends to break down often and there must technical standby 24x7 just in case you need to send someone to hospital in the middle of the night.

I think the undertaker should also standby 24x7 beside the mechanized carpark. :wink:
 

virus

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Mechanized parking is the way to go. It saves land spaces more cars can stack on top of one another. Just press a some pin number the cars will be delivered to you at ground floor. Hard for theives to steal your car and your cash cards unless he becomes Spiderman. But this mechanical thingie tends to break down often and there must technical standby 24x7 just in case you need to send someone to hospital in the middle of the night.

it is priced in for 5 years comprehensive maintenance. it's HDB's standard protocol for lifts.
 

frenchbriefs

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eh heh heh heh heh heh *evil cackle* not only we will make sure singapore has no room for human beings......we will make sure singapore has no room for cars to park themselves too.

when theres no more room in Hell(Singapore),the dead will walk the earth(johor bahru)!!!!
 
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virus

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Population White Paper is on schedule, and mechanized carparks are integral to the masterplan. :wink:

If you have less people, you have less cars, and hence less congestion and less competition for carpark space.

i think you mean less COE = less revenue.. less ERP.... less road tax, simi langjeow tax. and they will hv no choice but to retain the residual scrap value and offer you enhancement car ownership programme where you can get to offset your car until the moment the engine fails to crank. if you run out of cash, they will offer to take in your car for weekday rentalship but it is still yourss..... i mean the insurance is still yours to pay.
 

kaipoh

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which Ministoo proposed this fantastic idea, has he/she got vested interests in the whole project?

One of Lee Bee wah's hair brained ideas. The HDB will build multi story mechanized parking towers to supplement its stock of park lots in the pilot estates. So one example that Penang Cow gave was that $5 million will be spend to create 60 new additional parking spaces using this tower system. Since they are keeping the charges the same, I am taking $90 as a monthly season parking for a covered car park. This means that the additional 60 lots will add $5400 per month in parking revenues. Since, it cost $5 million to build, at this rate, it will take 926 months or 71 years to pay off!! Are you kidding me? And these things cost electricity to operate, as well, the system has to be maintained, all costing money. In Yishun, they are spending $3 million to add 22 additional parking space. There is really no economic returns at all. Is this a prestige project of the PAP?

SINGAPORE: Residents in three public housing estates trying out the mechanised parking system will find it easier to get parking lots. The system in these three estates, costing a total of about S$18 million, is on track to be ready by the end of next year.


The pilot sites are at: Bangkit Road, beside Block 259A; Yishun Avenue 4, beside Block 666A; and Changi Village Road, behind Block 1.

The mechanised parking system will help address the shortage of car parks, especially in older HDB estates where there is limited space to build more car park lots.


The new parking system will be fully automated, which means that motorists do not have to hunt for a lot. They need only park their vehicles in the car-lift and key in a PIN number.

The system will allow automatic transfer of the vehicles to an empty parking storage area. To retrieve the vehicles, motorists simply key in the same PIN number.

The commencement ceremony for Bangkit Road site took place on Sunday (Sep 14) , with National Development Minister Khaw Boon Wan, as the guest of honour. In a blog post, Mr Khaw said that the plans are progressing well, with construction to start next week.

The new mechanised parking system will add another 60 lots to the current 311, at a cost of about S$5 million.

The pilot project at Yishun will cost about S$3 million and will boast 246 lots, up from the current 224 lots.

The project at Changi Village will cost around S$10 million and will increase the number of lots from the current 182 to 319.


This being a pilot study, HDB will keep the parking charges for the mechanised parking system at the same rate as existing car parks.


The pilot implementation will allow HDB to test bed the suitability of the technology in Singapore, gauge users’ acceptance of the system, and gain learning points, before considering future implementation to more sites.


Earlier in October 2013, Lee Bee Wah, Chairperson of the Government Parliamentary Committee (GPC) for National Development and Environment, announced that HDB would be implementing the mechanised parking system in the three pilot sites. The announcement came after a joint GPC-HDB study on the viability of mechanised parking in HDB estates in Singapore, initiated by Ms Lee in January 2012.

HDB has assured residents that a comprehensive maintenance regime will be in place to ensure the reliability of the mechanised parking system. Should the system break down, motorists can call a 24-hour service hotline for immediate assistance. The parking system is also fitted with a back-up power generator and a manual mechanism that allows the retrieval of vehicles
 

laksaboy

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i think you mean less COE = less revenue.. less ERP.... less road tax, simi langjeow tax. and they will hv no choice but to retain the residual scrap value and offer you enhancement car ownership programme where you can get to offset your car until the moment the engine fails to crank. if you run out of cash, they will offer to take in your car for weekday rentalship but it is still yourss..... i mean the insurance is still yours to pay.

Not really, I am more interested in the number of people which is proportional to the number of vehicles. I don't care what they do with the COE and ERP.

Mechanized carparks tell me that they are trying to make more efficient use of the land (read: squeeze more things into the small island). Which means the Population White Paper is right on track. Which means the PAP is unrepentant.
 

enterprise2

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Population White Paper is on schedule, and mechanized carparks are integral to the masterplan. :wink:

If you have less people, you have less cars, and hence less congestion and less competition for carpark space.

Yes, masterplan on schedule. Let's see - 100m deep rock cavern -check,mechanized carpark - check,- what else is new??
 

virus

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Not really, I am more interested in the number of people which is proportional to the number of vehicles. I don't care what they do with the COE and ERP.

Mechanized carparks tell me that they are trying to make more efficient use of the land (read: squeeze more things into the small island). Which means the Population White Paper is right on track. Which means the PAP is unrepentant.

when the right time cum, pinkie and his henchmen will do rota and cry publiclee as thou their father just passed away. it supposed to b better then jedi mindtrick and pple will be suayed to look at the other direction.
 

kiwibird7

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The problem with mechanised carparks is any disruption due to under maintenance ala SMRT or power outages will result in many drivers being unable to get their cars and go to work on time.

Such disruptions could be quite frequent as the maintenance engineers would be 3rd rate cheap FTs!

The govt must plan their manpower and vehicle population according to the parameters of finite land, Squeezing more cars into mechanised car parks would only result in more congested roads, higher ERPs, COEs which would translate into HIGHER costs of living.

SINKIES would be forced to moonlight in two jobs, affecting family life, health would deteriorate resulting in more Medical leave needed, hospitalisation etc.
 
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eatshitndie

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sg will build only the best......

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dr.wailing

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....... Which means the PAP is unrepentant.

Let's picture this: your best buddy is a gambler. You've known each since you both were kids. He comes up to you one day to borrow money from you...AGAIN. He promises that after this time he'll never ever gamble again. If he does, you can chop off his hands. Would you believe him?

Leegime's been gambling away Sinkies' fortunes and livelihoods since Pinky became Emperor.
 
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