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HDB stopped building for S’poreans a long time ago flats, now building for FTs

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Anyone ever stopped to ask what is going on here? From the World Bank Development Indicators 2013, the population of Singaporean citizens is 3,313,500. From the HDB annual report 2013, the number of dwelling units it currently owns is 1,044,466 units (1,040,515 HDB units and 3,951 DBSS units). And 83% of the population live in HDB flats. That means that 2,750,205 singaporeans live in a flat. However, from the HDB annual report 2013, the average number of residents per unit is 3.34. Therefore, if there are 2,750,205 Singaporeans living in HDB flats, and the average number per unit is 3.34, than Singaporeans are only occupying 823,415 flats. There are therefore 221,051 extra flats out there occupied by non citizens of Singapore!! Yet, Why are more needed, and why is there always a shortage of flats?

The answer cannot be because of the large numbers of cheap labour FTs who require flats to live in. FDWs live in the flat with their employers, so they don’t take up or require new flats to be build for them. More than 200,000 workers are Malaysians who commute back and forth between JB and Singapore to work or study every day, so they are not users of HDB flats. Low cost labour, construction workers, factory workers, usually live in dormitories or on the contruction job site. So, its not for them either.

You can tell from these numbers that if there the HDB has more than enough flats for all Singapore citizens. Yet more and more are being build. The answer is that they are being build for fake talent foreigners who are here to leech the system and apply for Singapore PR. In 1990, the number of PRs in Singapore was only 112,000. Today, there are 531,000 PRs, all of whom are eligible to buy flats. These PRs are occupying the extra 221,051 flats. Many of these PRs own property in their native countries of China, Malaysia, India, etc. and are in violation of HDB ownership rules for flat eligibility. Yet they are allowed to buy.

From a Straits Times article (Jan. 30, 2013 “Goal 15,000-25,000 new citizens a year”) an average of only 18,500 PRs converted to citizenship in the last 5 years. Of the 531,000 PRs in Singapore an average of 18,500 per year works out to less than a 3.5% conversion rate. Unlike in other countries which give you 2 years to convert your PR to citizenship, the PAP has no such requirements. It’s plain that the majority of PRs of not intend to convert to citizens or they would have done so long ago. Yet these PRs are allowed to enjoy the benefits of Singapore including the buying of HDB flats. Is this fair when each flat is “subsidized” by the HDB. The PAP’s claim that PRs have no impact on the flat prices and demand is obviously a lie.

Is it too hard for the PAP to lay down 3 rules:
1) You must convert your PR to citizenship within 2 years or lose it.
2) You must prove that you have renounced the citizenship of your original country because Singapore does not allow dual citizenship.
3) You must be a citizen to buy a HDB flat, a PR is not good enough.

This would make life a lot easier for Singaporeans on the housing front. A stat board set up to help singaporeans have some housing now devotes 25% of its housing stock for non singaporeans who have no intention of converting to citizens. Only traitors like the PAP will do such a thing to Singaporeans.
 

ginfreely

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This is what I think too. All the foreign workers in Spore, who are they building the HDB, MRT, office towers etc for? Foreigners overrun the island and taking jobs so obviously the building of HDB, MRT, office etc is not for Singaporeans but foreigners.

Yes SPR should not be allowed to buy HDB! And stupid PAP should impose a capital gain tax on Foreigners selling HDB and private property.
 

Papsmearer

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This is what I think too. All the foreign workers in Spore, who are they building the HDB, MRT, office towers etc for? Foreigners overrun the island and taking jobs so obviously the building of HDB, MRT, office etc is not for Singaporeans but foreigners.

Yes SPR should not be allowed to buy HDB! And stupid PAP should impose a capital gain tax on Foreigners selling HDB and private property.

Yep, u have to logically ask why if the population has been having zero % growth rate and very low fertility rate, is HDB continuing to build so many flats and who are they for? In fact, if the average income is moving up, than more and more sinkies will qualify to buy private condos instead of HDB, and given this factor plus low birth rate the demand should be going down. the PAP is building more MRT stations, more lines, more Office towers, more HDB flats, not for sinkies, but for FTs from other country that did not elect the PAP and did not contribute anything to S'pore. This PAP govt. is really a traitorous govt.
 

bigboss

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Not at all surprising, with over 20,000 new citizenship frivolously given away every year to boost votes !:mad:

How are the paps going to get votes from local sinkies who are already pissed off by their stupid policies?

Surely, the new pool of supporters will be the imported shitizens who will also in time to come turn against the paps too. That Han Hui Hui is one of them.

The paps know they are on the way out, sooner or later.
 

laksaboy

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This is what I think too. All the foreign workers in Spore, who are they building the HDB, MRT, office towers etc for? Foreigners overrun the island and taking jobs so obviously the building of HDB, MRT, office etc is not for Singaporeans but foreigners.

Yes SPR should not be allowed to buy HDB! And stupid PAP should impose a capital gain tax on Foreigners selling HDB and private property.

It's the same with the Jurong Rock Caverns and the planned 'redevelopment' of the Jurong Lake area and the shifting of segments of the AYE.

Freeing up the hectares of land for what exactly? :wink:

If you think of Singapore as a rent-seeking, profit-maximising, family-owned business, it makes perfect sense. :cool:


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If you believe the part about a 'strong Singaporean core', I have some seafront property in Bishan I would like to sell you. :wink:
 

Papsmearer

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It's the same with the Jurong Rock Caverns and the planned 'redevelopment' of the Jurong Lake area and the shifting of segments of the AYE.

Freeing up the hectares of land for what exactly? :wink:

If you think of Singapore as a rent-seeking, profit-maximising, family-owned business, it makes perfect sense. :cool:


white-paper1.jpg


18621053.jpg



If you believe the part about a 'strong Singaporean core', I have some seafront property in Bishan I would like to sell you. :wink:

this is nothing compared to the 10,000 HDB flats planned for the ex cemetery at Bidadari. What the fuck are they building all these units for. In the future, HDB will have close to 1.2 million housing units for a population of only 3.3 million sinkies? WTF? someone is making money from all of these units, and u can bet they are not going to be cheap. HDB making money, SLA making money, developers and construction companies owned by PAP cronies, making money. Suckers are the new PRs buying and other sinkies.


THE new Bidadari housing estate will be home to Singapore's first underground air-conditioned bus interchange below Housing Board flats.

The new interchange next to Woodleigh MRT station, expected to be ready by 2019, will cater to five bus services.

It will be "tucked away and hidden from the street view", sitting below a carpark and neighbourhood garden flanked by blocks of flats, according to the HDB's plans seen by The Straits Times.

The Housing Board handed out design briefs and sketches to architects and engineers last week as it invited them to draw up architecture and engineering plans for the new housing estate.

The bus interchange is part of an integrated transport, commercial and residential project that will form the estate's town centre. Besides the interchange, the project will also have a foodcourt and 360 flats, split equally into three- and four-room flats.

Sales of these Build-To-Order flats are expected to be launched in August next year, with construction starting in 2016.

They are among 10,000 HDB flats and 1,000 private homes slated to be built on the sprawling former cemetery grounds.

The flats will have green features: Staircases will have LED lights with motion sensors and lifts will be partly powered by batteries charged by the lifts' own movements, like hybrid cars.

Transport researcher Lee Der Horng said the bus interchange will make it very convenient for the HDB residents, most of whom do not own cars.

"With the bus interchange right on their doorstep, there is no reason not to take public transport," said the National University of Singapore professor.

But property expert Ku Swee Yong is worried about disamenities such as noise and air pollution. "The construction and maintenance costs for underground facilities are higher, not to mention the electricity bill for air-conditioning," he said.

However, Professor Lee said pollution and noise can be managed with technology and the trade-off for convenience is worth it.

Meanwhile, the Housing Board's plans for Bidadari have drawn support from cyclists for promoting cycling. The HDB wants Bidadari to be designed for commuting on foot and by bicycle, and has asked architects to plan for park connectors, cycling paths and cycling ramps at staircases. It has even set a minimum of one sheltered bicycle parking space to be built for every six flats, the same ratio as that for motorcycles. This is believed to be the first time the HDB has spelt out such a ratio.

The ratio is low, but "it is a very useful step to establish a baseline requirement", said avid cyclist Francis Chu, co-founder of the LoveCyclingSG group.

"Cycling is the ideal mode of transport for short distances within an HDB town and the neighbourhood," said Mr Chu.

"Having enough safe parking lots for bicycles is a good start," he added.
 

sleaguepunter

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Upper Serangoon Road will be one big clusterfuck when bidadari project complete. One of the busiest road in Singapore, connecting millions in potong pasir, serangoon, hougang, senkang and punggol to town.
 

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Upper Serangoon Road will be one big clusterfuck when bidadari project complete. One of the busiest road in Singapore, connecting millions in potong pasir, serangoon, hougang, senkang and punggol to town.

Peasants inconvenienced, so what? As long as govt make big money from the development, peasants can fuck off and take the jam.
 

ginfreely

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It's the same with the Jurong Rock Caverns and the planned 'redevelopment' of the Jurong Lake area and the shifting of segments of the AYE.

Freeing up the hectares of land for what exactly? :wink:

If you think of Singapore as a rent-seeking, profit-maximising, family-owned business, it makes perfect sense. :cool:


white-paper1.jpg


18621053.jpg



If you believe the part about a 'strong Singaporean core', I have some seafront property in Bishan I would like to sell you. :wink:

I think they they develop underground to store things is okay. Develop empty land and redevelop the Jurong lake area also okay. But if need to re-zone industrial area and move down expressway to free land for housing, that is overkill. No industrial land where got jobs and tenants?
 

laksaboy

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I think they they develop underground to store things is okay. Develop empty land and redevelop the Jurong lake area also okay. But if need to re-zone industrial area and move down expressway to free land for housing, that is overkill. No industrial land where got jobs and tenants?

It's not okay. They are freeing up more land for industrial, commercial and residential use.

Which means the Population White Paper is on track.

Which means the PAP is not the least bit remorseful.

You should have zero tolerance for the various tricks they employ to make 'more efficient usage of the land'.
 

ginfreely

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this is nothing compared to the 10,000 HDB flats planned for the ex cemetery at Bidadari. What the fuck are they building all these units for. In the future, HDB will have close to 1.2 million housing units for a population of only 3.3 million sinkies? WTF? someone is making money from all of these units, and u can bet they are not going to be cheap. HDB making money, SLA making money, developers and construction companies owned by PAP cronies, making money. Suckers are the new PRs buying and other sinkies.


THE new Bidadari housing estate will be home to Singapore's first underground air-conditioned bus interchange below Housing Board flats.

The new interchange next to Woodleigh MRT station, expected to be ready by 2019, will cater to five bus services.

It will be "tucked away and hidden from the street view", sitting below a carpark and neighbourhood garden flanked by blocks of flats, according to the HDB's plans seen by The Straits Times.

The Housing Board handed out design briefs and sketches to architects and engineers last week as it invited them to draw up architecture and engineering plans for the new housing estate.

The bus interchange is part of an integrated transport, commercial and residential project that will form the estate's town centre. Besides the interchange, the project will also have a foodcourt and 360 flats, split equally into three- and four-room flats.

Sales of these Build-To-Order flats are expected to be launched in August next year, with construction starting in 2016.

They are among 10,000 HDB flats and 1,000 private homes slated to be built on the sprawling former cemetery grounds.

The flats will have green features: Staircases will have LED lights with motion sensors and lifts will be partly powered by batteries charged by the lifts' own movements, like hybrid cars.

Transport researcher Lee Der Horng said the bus interchange will make it very convenient for the HDB residents, most of whom do not own cars.

"With the bus interchange right on their doorstep, there is no reason not to take public transport," said the National University of Singapore professor.

But property expert Ku Swee Yong is worried about disamenities such as noise and air pollution. "The construction and maintenance costs for underground facilities are higher, not to mention the electricity bill for air-conditioning," he said.

However, Professor Lee said pollution and noise can be managed with technology and the trade-off for convenience is worth it.

Meanwhile, the Housing Board's plans for Bidadari have drawn support from cyclists for promoting cycling. The HDB wants Bidadari to be designed for commuting on foot and by bicycle, and has asked architects to plan for park connectors, cycling paths and cycling ramps at staircases. It has even set a minimum of one sheltered bicycle parking space to be built for every six flats, the same ratio as that for motorcycles. This is believed to be the first time the HDB has spelt out such a ratio.

The ratio is low, but "it is a very useful step to establish a baseline requirement", said avid cyclist Francis Chu, co-founder of the LoveCyclingSG group.

"Cycling is the ideal mode of transport for short distances within an HDB town and the neighbourhood," said Mr Chu.

"Having enough safe parking lots for bicycles is a good start," he added.

All these massive building is for new housing estate, Mrt, shopping centre, etc even the re-locating of airbase is for housing. But nothing of the same scale is being planned for new industrial areas. No plans for factories, all to work in office towers in future?
 

bigboss

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It does not make sense for HDB to sell subsidized flats to SPRs who are just as foreigners as those on work pass in Singapore. Why are foreigners allowed to buy Govt flats which are supposed to be built only for sinkies?

When the SPRs sold their HDB flats in the open market, they could collect the gains and balek kampong to retire rich but when sinkies sold their HDB flats, they had to buy another HDB flat if unable to afford private properties and still remain poor to service the mortgage loan.

Sinkie land is the only country in the world where SPRs are treated almost like shitizens but without obligations to the country.

Time to ban SPR from selling their HDB flats in the open market. Sell back only to HDB at original price if they want to balek kampong.
 

ginfreely

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It does not make sense for HDB to sell subsidized flats to SPRs who are just as foreigners as those on work pass in Singapore. Why are foreigners allowed to buy Govt flats which are supposed to be built only for sinkies?

When the SPRs sold their HDB flats in the open market, they could collect the gains and balek kampong to retire rich but when sinkies sold their HDB flats, they had to buy another HDB flat if unable to afford private properties and still remain poor to service the mortgage loan.

Sinkie land is the only country in the world where SPRs are treated almost like shitizens but without obligations to the country.

Time to ban SPR from selling their HDB flats in the open market. Sell back only to HDB at original price if they want to balek kampong.

Yes SPR should not be allowed to buy HDB. Why can't they rent or buy private just like what Sporeans who do not qualify for public housing are expected to do? SPRs are not just treated the same but treated better than some Singaporeans!
 

sochi2014

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aiyah PAP invites more people into the country so that Singaporeans can get rich through asset enhancements schemes lah.

But they never thought young Singaporeans could not afford the flats because it is getting very high now.

But if FTs can buy flats easily, why can't young Singaporeans buy them?

So if possible dun reverse mortgage your flats. You will lugi in the long run if there is constant appreciation in your assets values.

It may become more expensive to rent in the future.
 

bigboss

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I think they they develop underground to store things is okay. Develop empty land and redevelop the Jurong lake area also okay. But if need to re-zone industrial area and move down expressway to free land for housing, that is overkill. No industrial land where got jobs and tenants?

There is a limit to land reclamation in sinkie land as both Indonesia and Malaysia are not too happy due to encroachment of their territorial boundary. If population goes up to 6.9 million, where do they live?

The answer is to do away with manufacturing and industrial zones and re-zone the land to build flats for accommodating the increase in population.
 
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