when is PRC going start shooting down USAF planes one more?

PRA captured a USA spy plane in Hainan and captive 24 USAF pilots and crews in
2001




http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident





http://m.aljazeera.com/story/201482391728313849
On April 1, 2001, the Hainan Island incident occurred when a mid-air collision between a United States Navy EP-3E ARIES II signals intelligence aircraft and a People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) J-8II interceptor fighter jet resulted in an international dispute between the United States of America and the People's Republic of China.

The EP-3 was operating about 70 miles (110*km) away from the PRC island province of Hainan, and about 100 miles (160*km) away from the Chinese military installation in the Paracel Islands, when it was intercepted by two J-8 fighters. A collision between the EP-3 and one of the J-8s caused the death of a PRC pilot, and the EP-3 was forced to make an emergency landing on Hainan. The 24 crew members were detained and interrogated by the Chinese authorities until a statement was delivered by United States government regarding the incident. The exact phrasing of this document was intentionally ambiguous and allowed both countries to save face while simultaneously defusing a potentially volatile situation between militarily strong regional states.[1][2]



US hits at China over spy plane 'provocation'
Last updated: 7 minutes ago
US defence department says Chinese jet flew over Navy plane flying in international air space in South China Sea.


The United States has accused the Chinese military of provocation after*one of its fighter jets*conducted an "intercept" of a US Navy spy plane in international air space over the South China Sea.

The Obama administration condemned the latest incident, with Deputy National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes*saying on Friday that it*was a "deeply concerning provocation".

"What we have encouraged is constructive military-to-military ties with China and this type of action ... clearly violates the spirit of that engagement, and we have made our concerns known directly to Beijing," he said.

Rear Admiral John Kirby, the US defence press secretary, said that a Chinese fighter pilot performed acrobatic maneuvers around*the Navy patrol plane, and flew*a few metres from the US jet.

Kirby said the US*lodged a formal diplomatic protest with Beijing over the incident, which took place on Tuesday about 215km east of Hainan Island, site of a sensitive Chinese submarine base.

Kirby said the Chinese fighter jet made several passes at the P-8 Poseidon anti-submarine and reconnaissance plane, crossing over and under it. At one point, the jet flew wingtip-to-wingtip about 9 metres) from the Poseidon, then performed a barrel roll over the top of it, he said.

"The Chinese jet also passed the nose of the P-8 at 90 degrees with its belly toward the P-8 Poseidon, we believe to make a point of showing its weapons load," Kirby said.

The US Navy's P-8 Poseidon aircraft are designed for long-range missions including intelligence collection and reconnaissance.

'Unprofessional and unsafe'

"This kind of behaviour not only is unprofessional, it's unsafe," he said. "And it is certainly not in keeping with the kind of military-to-military ... relations that we'd like to have with China."

The United States and China have differing views about the legality of US military overflights in much of the region as a result of China's broad territorial claims and differing interpretations of rights conveyed under the Law of the Sea treaty.

In April 2001, a similar aggressive intercept of US EP-3E spy plane by a Chinese F-8 fighter in the same area resulted in a collision that killed the Chinese pilot and forced the American plane to make an emergency landing at a base on Hainan.

The 24 US air crew members were held for 11 days until Washington apologised for the incident, which soured US-Chinese relations in the early days of President George W Bush's first administration.

The US and Chinese militaries have boosted their contacts in recent years amid recognition that as China's economic interests continue to expand it will play a bigger security role in the world and have more interactions with the US military.

Chinese ships recently participated for the first time in the US-sponsored Rim of the Pacific naval exercises, the world's largest. US officials said they hope the increasing contacts will help avoid misunderstandings as they operate in closer proximity to each other.

But even as US and Chinese military contacts have expanded, tensions between China and its neighbours, some of them US treaty allies, have heightened over competing territorial claims in the South China and East China seas.

The best way is to give Obama the same trick as Najib's MH370 Vanishing Stunt. Make the USAF spy vanish. No trace. Dissallow enterence of US military search into Chinese water. This way will inflict the max hurt and lession. Want to spy and pick a fight then be ready to bleed and die and take brutalities, count on no rules nor assurance, no protection from civilized world at all.

http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20140824000111&cid=1101


China and US exchange volleys over 'dangerous' aircraft contact

Huang Shu-rong and Staff Reporter
2014-08-24
17:45 (GMT+8)

A Chinese J-11 fighter. (Internet photo)

A Chinese J-11 fighter. (Internet photo)

The US and China are accusing each other of provocation over a recent situation in which a Chinese Shenyang J-11 fighter jet conducted an intercept of a US Navy surveillance and reconnaissance aircraft off China's southern coast in international airspace, reports our Chinese-language sister newspaper China Times.

The intercept was described as "dangerous" when the Chinese J-11 did a Top Gun-style barrel roll just 20ft from a US jet on Aug. 19, according to the Daily Mail. This was registered as the fourth similar incident since March this year.

The Pentagon press secretary, rear admiral John Kirby, said Washington protested through diplomatic channels to China, saying that the Chinese pilot's actions were unsafe and unprofessional.

According to Kirby, the Chinese J-11 attempted to intercept a P-8, an anti-submarine surveillance aircraft of the US Navy, 217 kilometers off China's coast. The Chinese jet made several close passes by the Navy P-8 Poseidon plane, and did a barrel roll maneuver from the bottom of the P-8 to its top, exposing the fighter's belly to show that it was armed, according to Kirby.

China has rebutted with the US pushing the limit with surveillance boundaries around China, tactics that make it difficult to create a sound atmosphere for bilateral military ties, according to the state-run Xinhua News Agency.

China's defense ministry spokesman Yang Yujun said in a statement that the US's rhetoric was "totally groundless" because the Chinese pilot was performing normal operations a safe distance from the P-8.

Rick Fisher, a senior researcher at the International Assessment and Strategy Center, said that the US increased its patrols in the South China Sea because China has been turning up the pressure on neighboring countries, many of which are diplomatic allies of the US.

The previous EP-3E captured by PRC from the hands of GW Bush was striped into tiny pieces and shipped back to US in many wooden boxes.

My question now is when is there going the be something REAL, a missile combat with KIAs, between PRC & USA. The point is shooting down USA planes near the zone of territory dispute between PRC & Japs or other Asian countries. USA said they want to poke their noses in. So I want to see if they are willing to die and bleed and expecially for realistic scale not just symbolic. WW3 if necessary.



http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/lingshui-ep3.htm

Lingshui Air Base - EP-3 Incident

At approximately 8:15 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, Saturday, March 31, (9:15 a.m. Sunday local time in China) in international airspace, a U.S. Navy EP-3 (Navy file photo pictured above) maritime patrol aircraft on a routine surveillance mission over the South China Sea, was intercepted by two People's Republic of China fighter aircraft. There was contact between one of the Chinese aircraft and the EP-3, causing sufficient damage for the U.S. plane to issue a "Mayday" signal and divert to an Lingshui airfield on Hainan Island, PRC. The pilots and crew of the downed EP-3E ARIES II were taken prisoner by local officials and were detained and interrogated.

Following a nearly 11 day standoff between the United States and the People's Republic of China, diplomats came to an agreement that released the U.S. aircrew.

On April 11, Ambassador Prueher said he presented a letter from the U.S. government to the Chinese foreign minister that sought to resolve the situation. The letter notes the U.S. government's regret over the loss of the missing Chinese pilot, presumed dead, and his aircraft. The letter also notes the U.S. government is sorry the damaged U.S. plane entered Chinese airspace to make an unauthorized emergency landing on Hainan.

The letter expressed appreciation for China's efforts to see to the well-being of the American crew.

According to the letter, the American and Chinese governments agreed to hold an April 18 meeting to discuss the causes of the mid-air collision and possible recommendations to avoid such incidents in the future.

This one-meter resolution, color satellite image of the Lingshui military airfield on the southeastern coast of Hainan Island in the South China Sea, was collected at 10:12 a.m. local time on April 4, 2001 (10:12 p.m. EDT on April 3, 2001) by Space Imaging's IKONOS satellite. The United States navy aircraft is clearly visible and parked on the taxiway adjacent to the end of the runway. This is the first high-resolution commercial satellite image taken of the Lingshui airfield. IKONOS travels 423 miles above the Earth's surface at a speed of 16,000 miles per hour.

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EP-3E ARIES Closesup

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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident


Hainan Island incident

Hainan Island incident
EP-3 Hainan Island 2001.jpg
The damaged EP-3 on the ground on Hainan Island
Date April 1, 2001
Location Hainan Island, People's Republic of China
South China Sea
Result American crew detained, later released.
One Chinese J-8 pilot MIA.
Belligerents
China United States
Strength
2 J-8IM aircraft 1 EP-3E SIGINT aircraft
Casualties and losses
1 J-8 destroyed
1 pilot missing, assumed dead 1 EP-3E damaged and captured
24 aircrew captured and detained

On April 1, 2001, the Hainan Island incident occurred when a mid-air collision between a United States Navy EP-3E ARIES II signals intelligence aircraft and a People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) J-8II interceptor fighter jet resulted in an international dispute between the United States of America and the People's Republic of China.

The EP-3 was operating about 70 miles (110 km) away from the PRC island province of Hainan, and about 100 miles (160 km) away from the Chinese military installation in the Paracel Islands, when it was intercepted by two J-8 fighters. A collision between the EP-3 and one of the J-8s caused the death of a PRC pilot, and the EP-3 was forced to make an emergency landing on Hainan. The 24 crew members were detained and interrogated by the Chinese authorities until a statement was delivered by United States government regarding the incident. The exact phrasing of this document was intentionally ambiguous and allowed both countries to save face while simultaneously defusing a potentially volatile situation between militarily strong regional states.[1][2]

Background

The United States and the People's Republic of China disagree on the legality of the overflights by U.S. naval aircraft of the area where the incident occurred. This part of the South China Sea comprises part of the PRC's exclusive economic zone based on the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. The PRC is a signatory to this Convention and while the United States is not, according to naval officials it "operate...within the provisions of the Law of the Sea Convention in every area related to navigation".[3] Part V, Article 58 of the Convention states in relation to exclusive economic zones that: "all States...enjoy...the freedoms...of navigation and overflight", but notes that "States...shall comply with the laws and regulations adopted by the coastal State...in so far as they are not incompatible with this Part."[4] The PRC interprets the Convention as allowing it to preclude other nations' military operations within this area, while the United States maintains that the Convention grants free navigation for all countries' aircraft and ships, including military aircraft and ships, within a country's exclusive economic zone.

A PRC Su-27 force is based at Hainan.[5] The island also houses a large signals intelligence facility which tracks U.S. activity in the area and monitors traffic from commercial communications satellites.[6] As early as May 22, 1951, Hainan was targeted at the behest of U.S. Naval Intelligence for RAF photo-reconnaissance overflights, using Spitfire PR Mk 19s based at Kai Tak Airport in Hong Kong.[7] This sea area includes the South China Sea Islands, which are claimed by the PRC and several other countries. It is one of the most strategically sensitive areas in the world.[8]
In the air
An EP-3E of VQ-1

The EP-3 (BuNo 156511), assigned to Fleet Air Reconnaissance Squadron One (VQ-1, "World Watchers"), had taken off as Mission PR32 from Kadena Air Base in Okinawa, Japan. At about 09:15 local time, toward the end of the EP-3's six-hour ELINT mission, two Chinese J-8s from Lingshui airfield, on the Chinese island of Hainan, approached the EP-3 as it flew at 22,000 feet (6,700 m) and 180 knots (210 mph), on a heading of 110°, about 70 miles (110 km) away from the island. One of the J-8s (81192), piloted by Lt. Cdr. Wang Wei,[9][10] made two close passes to the EP-3. On the third pass, it collided with the larger aircraft. The J-8 broke into two pieces, while the EP-3's radome detached completely and its No. 1 (outer left) propeller was severely damaged. Airspeed and altitude data were lost, the aircraft depressurized, and an antenna became wrapped around the tailplane. The J-8's tail fin struck the EP-3's left aileron forcing it fully upright, and causing the U.S. plane to roll to the left at 3-4 times its normal maximum rate.[8]
Area of the collision in the South China Sea

The impact sent the EP-3 into a 30° dive at a bank angle of 130°, almost inverted. It dropped 8,000 feet (2,400 m) in 30 seconds, and fell another 6,000 feet (1,800 m) before the pilot, Lt. Shane Osborn, got the EP-3's wings level and the nose up.[11] In a September 2003 article in Naval Aviation News, Osborn said that once he regained control of the plane he "called for the crew to prepare to bail out."[11] He then managed to control the aircraft's descent by using emergency power on the working engines, such that an emergency landing on Hainan became a possibility.[12]

For the next 26 minutes the crew of the EP-3 carried out an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items on board the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed hot coffee into disk drives and motherboards.[13]
Shenyang J-8 81192, the aircraft that collided with the EP-3E

The EP-3 made an unauthorized emergency landing at Lingshui airfield, after at least 15 distress signals had gone unanswered, with the emergency code selected on the transponder. It landed at 170 knots (200 mph), with no flaps, no trim, and a damaged left elevator, weighing 108,000 pounds (49,000 kg). Following the collision, the failure of the nose cone had disabled the No. 3 (inner right) engine, and the No. 1 propeller could not be feathered, leading to increased drag on that side. There was no working airspeed indicator or altimeter, and Osborn used full right aileron during the landing. Meanwhile, the surviving Chinese interceptor had landed there 10 minutes earlier.[14]

Lt. Cdr. Wang was seen to eject after the collision, but the Pentagon said that the damage to the underside of the EP-3 could mean that the cockpit of the Chinese fighter jet was crushed, making it impossible for the pilot to survive.[15][16] Wang's body was never recovered, and he was declared dead.
Cause of collision

Both the cause of the collision and the assignment of blame were disputed. The American government claimed that the Chinese jet bumped the wing of the larger, slower, and less maneuverable EP-3. After returning to U.S. soil, the pilot of the EP-3, Lt. Shane Osborn, was allowed to make a brief statement in which he said that the EP-3 was on autopilot and in straight-and-level flight at the time of the collision. He stated that he was just "guarding the autopilot" in his interview with Frontline.[17] The U.S. released video footage from previous missions which revealed that American reconnaissance crews had previously been intercepted by Lt. Cdr. Wang. During one such incident, he was shown approaching so close that his e-mail address could be read from a sign that he was holding up. Based on the account of Wang Wei's wingman, the Chinese government stated that the American plane "veered at a wide angle towards the Chinese", in the process ramming the J-8. This claim cannot be verified since the Chinese government refuses to release data from the black boxes of either plane, both of which are in its possession.[18][19][20][21][22]
On the ground

For 15 minutes after landing, the U.S. aircraft crew continued to destroy sensitive items and data on board the aircraft, as per Department of Defense protocol. They disembarked from the plane after soldiers looked through windows, pointed guns, and shouted through bullhorns. The Chinese offered them water and cigarettes. Kept under close guard, they were taken to a military barracks at Lingshui where they were interrogated for two nights before being moved to lodgings in Haikou, the provincial capital and largest city on the island. They were treated well in general, but were interrogated at all hours, and so suffered from lack of sleep. They found the Chinese food unpalatable as it included fish heads, but this later improved. Guards gave them decks of cards and an English-language newspaper. To pass the time and keep spirits up, Lts. Honeck and Vignery worked up humorous routines based on the television shows The People's Court, Saturday Night Live and The Crocodile Hunter. These were performed as they went to meals, the only time they were together. They gradually developed good relations with their guards, with one guard inquiring of them the lyrics for the song "Hotel California" by the Eagles.[23]

Three U.S. diplomats were sent to Hainan to meet the crew and assess their conditions, and to negotiate their release. They were first allowed to meet with the crew three days after the collision. U.S. officials complained at the slow pace of the Chinese decision.[24]

The 24 crew members (21 men and three women)[25] were detained until April 11, shortly after the U.S. issued the "letter of the two sorries" to the Chinese. The Chinese military boarded the plane and thoroughly stripped and examined the aircraft's equipment. Reliable sources have speculated that the crew were only partially successful in their destruction of the on-board data and technology, although no official information has been released.[26]
Letter of the two sorries
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Letter of the two sorries

The "Letter of the two sorries"[27] was the letter delivered by the United States Ambassador Joseph Prueher to Foreign Minister Tang Jiaxuan of the People's Republic of China to defuse the incident. The delivery of the letter led to the release of the U.S. crew from Chinese custody, as well as the eventual return of the disassembled plane.[18]

The letter stated that the United States was "very sorry" for the death of Chinese pilot Wang Wei, and "We are very sorry the entering of China's airspace and the landing did not have verbal clearance..."[28]

The United States stated that it was "not a letter of apology," as some state-run Chinese media outlets characterized it at the time, but "an expression of regret and sorrow".[2] While China had originally asked for an apology, the U.S. explained, "We did not do anything wrong, and therefore it was not possible to apologize."[29]

There was further debate over the exact meaning of the Chinese translation issued by the U.S. Embassy. A senior administration official was quoted as saying "What the Chinese will choose to characterize as an apology, we would probably choose to characterize as an expression of regret or sorrow."[30]
Aftermath
EP-3 crew arrives at Hickam AFB in Hawaii. (Pictured saluting is U.S. Air Force Senior Airman Curtis Towne.)

The crew of the EP-3 was released on April 11, 2001, and returned to their base at Whidbey Island via Honolulu, Hawaii, where they were subject to two days of intense debriefings, followed by a hero's welcome.[18] The pilot, Lt. Shane Osborn, was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross for "heroism and extraordinary achievement" in flight, while the J-8 pilot, Lt. Cdr. Wang Wei, was posthumously honored in China as a "Guardian of Territorial Airspace and Waters".[18] His widow received a personal letter of condolence from President George W. Bush.[31]

By April 15, 2001 an online memorial database was created and offered visitors options to send flowers, light a candle, dedicate a song, burn an incense stick, or propose a toast virtually by leaving a comment on the database (in Chinese or English). By April 21, 24,188 posts had been made.[32]

U.S. Navy engineers said the EP-3 could be repaired in 8–12 months,[33] but China refused to allow it to be flown off Hainan island. The disassembled aircraft was released on July 3, 2001, and was returned to the United States by the Russian airline Polet in an Antonov An-124-100.[34]

In addition to paying for the dismantling and shipping of the EP-3, the United States paid for the 11 days of food and lodging supplied by the Chinese government to the aircraft's crew, in the amount of $34,000. The Chinese had demanded one million dollars compensation from the U.S. for the lost J-8 and their pilot, but this was declined and no further negotiations were held. Republican congressman Tom DeLay described the episode as "communist piracy" and Chinese demands for compensation as "the deluded daydreams of a despotic regime".[35][36]

The incident took place ten weeks after the inauguration of George W. Bush as president and was his first foreign policy crisis. Both sides were criticized following the event; the Chinese for making a bluff which was called without any real concessions from the American side other than the "Letter of the two sorries", and the Americans first for being insensitive immediately after the event and later for issuing the letter rather than taking a harder line.[37]

Following the collision, China's monitoring of reconnaissance flights became less aggressive.[38] As of 2011, flights of US spy planes near the Chinese coastline continued as before the incident.[39][40]

Hainan is currently the home of the PLAN Hainan Submarine Base, an underground facility capable of supporting nuclear ballistic missile submarines.[41] In March 2009, the USNS Impeccable, an ocean surveillance ship of the U.S. Navy was on several occasions approached by Chinese ships and aircraft while operating 75 miles (121 km) south of Hainan in actions Pentagon officials characterized as "aggressive" and "harassment."[42][43] In August 2014 the US protested when a Chinese Su-27 came within 10 meters of a patrolling P-8.[44]