Under international law the liabity for civilian death lies squarely on the party that uses civilian as human shield rather than the party who kill the civilian. As for whether there is empty land in gaza for Hamas to fight, that very much their problems since they choose to provoke. If they want to use civilian facilities to fight least they could do is to evacuate the poeple elsewhere rather than to use them as human shield and in the unfortunate event that they got killed, parade their bodies infront of world media just to portray themselves as victims.
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Under international law the liabity for civilian death lies squarely on the party that uses civilian as human shield rather than the party who kill the civilian. As for whether there is empty land in gaza for Hamas to fight, that very much their problems since they choose to provoke. If they want to use civilian facilities to fight least they could do is to evacuate the poeple elsewhere rather than to use them as human shield and in the unfortunate event that they got killed, parade their bodies infront of world media just to portray themselves as victims.
Fingers are pointing at Balfour Declaration as the start of Israel.
Let me tell you how the Balfour Declaration came about.
And which made Lawrence of Arabia resigned as that destroyed the promises he made to the Arabs for their joining his attacks on the Turks who were allies of Germany in WW1.
WW1 required cordite to fire the big guns of battleships and across the trenches of no man land.
Cordite needed even to fire the bullets from guns and machine guns.
Cordite needed acetone to make and Britain had dire shortage of acetone halfway through WW1.
Without cordite, Britain guns will go silent and Britain and France will have to sing "Deutschland, Deutschland über alles, über alles in der Welt"
During World War I acetone was in short supply in Great Britain, and a new experimental form was developed for use by the Royal Navy.[8] This was Cordite RDB (= Research Department formula B); which was 52% collodion, 42% nitroglycerine and 6% petroleum jelly. It was produced at HM Factory, Gretna;[8] and the Royal Navy Cordite Factory, Holton Heath.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordite
Acetone for the cordite industry during late World War I was eventually produced through the efforts of Dr. Chaim Weizmann, considered to be the father of industrial fermentation. While a lecturer at Manchester University Weizmann discovered how to use bacterial fermentation to produce large quantities of many desired substances. He used the bacterium Clostridium acetobutylicum (the so-called Weizmann organism) to produce acetone. Weizmann transferred the rights to the manufacture of acetone to the Commercial Solvents Corporation in exchange for royalties. After the Shell Crisis of 1915 during World War I, he was director of the British Admiralty Laboratories from 1916 until 1919.
Britain owed a huge debt to Dr Weizmann and asked him what reward and honour he desired as that will be given to him.
Dr. Weizmann refused any monetary reward or a title, and said, "There is only one thing I want--a national home for my people."
The Balfour Declaration, issued in November, 1917, followed. It was Britain's promise to facilitate the Jews in making a homeland in Palestine and was hailed as the Magna Carta of the Zionist movement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaim_Weizmann
http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/bday/1127.html
Balfour Declaration went in major way to frustrate the promises Lawrence made to Arabs for independance after they fought on the side of Lawrence against their Turks overlords.
But obviously acetone and cordite won the war for Britain. Wishes of Dr Wiezmann could not be denied and promises of Lawrence kicked aside making him resign in disgust from being a colonel and rubing shoulders with Generals and Field Marshalls and Prime Ministers to enlisting as an aircraftman other rank.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._E._Lawrence
Dr Weizmann went on to be the first President of Israel.
Hamas is the role model for the Western media.
hahaha....are u sure u know about history???
despite Singapore signing the amendment to the London Agreement, you still claimed that Singapore was an independent country in 1963....
you are the clown in town and still think you are mr. know all.....lol.
Here's a write-up on the very effective (?) PR playbook:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...hat-helps-israelis-to-hide-facts-9630765.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...hat-helps-israelis-to-hide-facts-9630765.html
The latest skirmish was instigated by Israel. Israel claimed that Hamas was responsible for the death of the 3 three Israeli teens, without furnishing any proof and then proceeded with bombings. So, you expect Hamas to sit back and do nothing?
I don't support Hamas but the current war is of Israel's doing.
go and fight for Hamas then.
Why? For starters he did say he does not support them and secondly hero Hamas Goh is already doing that on the nation's behalf so why steal his thunder.
you people dont understand what the conflict is.
Hamas shud be nuked long ago if their folks were to enjoy peace...
GMS wanted cheap publicity..?
Hamas Goh is playing with fire, whether he knows it or not.
Good addition that you make to this topic.
Food for thought only for those that think and not just scream and froth in the mouth from pretended righteousness.
Those kind will not dare to click and read.
For the wanking pleasure of some of the people here especially those that cheer to the sight of white phosphor shells raining on Palestinian children. You will enjoy the photos here as well knowing the chosen people of that chosen race are enjoying that too.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing
Israelis gather on hillsides to watch and cheer as military drops bombs on Gaza.
Israelis sit on a hill to watch air strikes on Gaza, some bring drinks and snacks as they cheer the explosions a few miles away. Photograph: UPI/Landov/Barcroft Media
People drink, snack and pose for selfies against a background of explosions as Palestinian death toll mounts in ongoing offensive
As the sun begins to sink over the Mediterranean, groups of Israelis gather each evening on hilltops close to the Gaza border to cheer, whoop and whistle as bombs rain down on people in a hellish warzone a few miles away.
Old sofas, garden chairs, battered car seats and upturned crates provide seating for the spectators. On one hilltop, a swing has been attached to the branches of a pine tree, allowing its occupant to sway gently in the breeze. Some bring bottles of beer or soft drinks and snacks.
On Saturday, a group of men huddle around a shisha pipe. Nearly all hold up smartphones to record the explosions or to pose grinning, perhaps with thumbs up, for selfies against a backdrop of black smoke.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing
Israelis gather on hillsides to watch and cheer as military drops bombs on Gaza.
Israelis sit on a hill to watch air strikes on Gaza, some bring drinks and snacks as they cheer the explosions a few miles away. Photograph: UPI/Landov/Barcroft Media
People drink, snack and pose for selfies against a background of explosions as Palestinian death toll mounts in ongoing offensive
As the sun begins to sink over the Mediterranean, groups of Israelis gather each evening on hilltops close to the Gaza border to cheer, whoop and whistle as bombs rain down on people in a hellish warzone a few miles away.
Old sofas, garden chairs, battered car seats and upturned crates provide seating for the spectators. On one hilltop, a swing has been attached to the branches of a pine tree, allowing its occupant to sway gently in the breeze. Some bring bottles of beer or soft drinks and snacks.
On Saturday, a group of men huddle around a shisha pipe. Nearly all hold up smartphones to record the explosions or to pose grinning, perhaps with thumbs up, for selfies against a backdrop of black smoke.
Only for those with open mind and not lap dogs pretenders snuggling up to the chosen race as if by doing so, they become the chosen race.
www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/...tary-bases-guerrilla-war-civilians-israel-idf
In Gaza, Hamas fighters are among civilians. There is nowhere else for them to go
Lines are blurred when a guerrilla war is fought in as dense a place as Gaza but the IDF's HQ is also surrounded by civilians
Israel's accusation that Hamas is using civilians as human shields has grown increasingly strident as the war in Gaza worsens.
The charge is laid relentlessly by political and military leaders and media commentators, repeated in conversations by members of the public and echoed in the comments of foreign politicians and diplomats. On the other side of the conflict, the accusation is vigorously denied by Hamas and others in Gaza.
The truth is lost amid the propaganda battle being waged alongside the shells, bombs, guns and rockets. What is certain is that the picture is more complicated than either side claims.
Deliberately placing non-combatants in and around targets to deter enemy attack – the definition of human shields – is illegal under international law.
The Geneva conventions state: "The presence or movements of the civilian population or individual civilians shall not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations, in particular in attempts to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield, favour or impede military operations. The parties to the conflict shall not direct the movement of the civilian population or individual civilians in order to attempt to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield military operations."
International law also bans the use of medical units or prisoners of war to deter enemy attack.
However, even if Hamas were violating the law on this matter, it would not legally justify Israel's bombing of areas where civilians are known to be.
"Any violation of these prohibitions shall not release the parties to the conflict from their legal obligations with respect to the civilian population and civilians, including the obligation to take the precautionary measures," the conventions say.
Israel claims Hamas routinely uses hospitals, mosques, schools and private homes to launch rockets at Israel, store weapons, hide command and control centres, shelter military personnel, and conceal tunnel shafts. This is their justification for targeting such places, despite the legal requirement to ensure its attacks are proportional, distinguish between military and civilian objects, and avoid civilian casualties.
Israel says it gives due notice of attack – by phone, text messages, leaflet drops and "warning missiles" – to give civilians the chance to leave.
A typical statement from the Israel Defence Forces, issued in the past few days, says: "While the IDF does everything that it can to avoid civilian casualties, Hamas deliberately puts Palestinian civilian lives in danger. Hamas hides weapons and missile launchers in densely populated areas. Instead of keeping its citizens out of harm's way, Hamas encourages and even forces Gazans to join its violent resistance against Israel. It sends men, women and children directly into the line of fire to be used as human shields for terrorists."
On Wednesday, the IDF released a series of maps purporting to show Hamas military sites close to – but not in – schools, hospitals, mosques and residential buildings. It also released video, which it said showed militants using an ambulance to flee after coming under attack by IDF troops, and said the grounds and vicinity of al-Wafa hospital in Gaza City had been "repeatedly utilised by Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad as a command centre, rocket-launching site, and a post enabling terrorists to open fire at soldiers".
Israel has repeatedly targeted the rehabilitation hospital during the course of the conflict, finally destroying the heavily damaged and, by then, empty building on Wednesday.
But the hospital's director rejected the Israeli assertion that the hospital had been used for military purposes by Hamas or other militant groups. In a statement, Basman Alashi said: "Israel has targeted our hospital based on false and misleading claims. They are targeting medical facilities, the wounded, the sick and our children, all over the Gaza Strip. They want us to know that nowhere is safe."
He added: "I hope things calm down as soon as possible. It's painful to see what's happening and that the hospital has become a target for military attacks."
The UN's discovery of arms caches in two of its schools in the past week has given Israel's assertions credence. "UNRWA [the UN agency for Palestinian refugees] immediately informed all relevant parties and issued a statement strongly condemning the abuse of its premises," said a spokesman, Chris Gunness. The UN agency UNRWA's shelters have been shelled on four occasions in recent days, despite officials giving precise coordinates to the IDF.
Israel also claimed that Hamas had forced civilians to remain in the Gaza City neighbourhood of Shujai'iya after the IDF warned them to evacuate ahead of its assault on Sunday. Civilians were being "held as hostages", said Peter Lerner, an IDF military spokesman.
These claims have not been backed up by independent reporting from international journalists covering the war from Gaza. Instead, dispatches from the ground have presented complex reasons why some residents did not evacuate from Shujai'iya and other areas targeted by the IDF. Many said nowhere in Gaza was safe, so they saw little point in abandoning their homes.
Others cited worries about not knowing the identities of people who would be their new neighbours; they could be evacuating a familiar neighbourhood for one that was a militant stronghold and others were simply too terrified to go out on the streets. Many media reports said there was no evidence of coercion by Hamas.
In fact, tens of thousands of people have fled their homes for what they hope is a safer place. UNRWA reports that more than 140,000 people have sought shelter in its properties; churches and mosques have been overwhelmed by displaced civilians; the grounds of the Shifa hospital in Gaza City have begun to resemble a makeshift refugee camp. These families are in fear of their lives, but they overwhelmingly cite Israeli bombing and shelling as the cause, rather than threats from Hamas.
Gaza is one of the most overcrowded places on earth. Almost two million people are crammed into a strip of land just 25 miles long and between three and a half and seven miles wide – roughly the same size as the Isle of Wight. In general there are few opportunities to leave; and in the midst of a conflict such as this, there is no exit.
The current war is not being fought on a conventional battlefield. Israel is pounding Gaza from the air, and its troops are increasingly fighting battles against a guerrilla army in densely populated urban areas – which constitute much of the Gaza Strip. As Israeli tanks and troops push further into the towns and cities, it is increasingly likely that Hamas will launch attacks from positions close to civilian buildings.
The separation between "civilian" and "military" in Gaza is much more blurred than with a conventional army – both physically and in the Gazan psyche. Hamas and other militants are embedded in the population. Their fighters are not quartered in military barracks, but sleep at night in their family homes. While it is not difficult to find antipathy to Hamas on the streets of Gaza in quiet times, most people defend their "right to resist" – and under such sustained military attack, support for Hamas rises.
Israel, meanwhile, does not have an unblemished record in the use of human shields. In 2010, two soldiers were convicted in an IDF military court of using an 11-year-old Palestinian boy as a human shield in its 2008-09 operation in Gaza. The pair ordered the child to search bags they suspected of being booby-trapped.
It was the first conviction of what is known within the IDF as the "neighbour procedure" – forcing civilians to assist troops in military operations. Investigations by news organisations and human rights groups have suggested the IDF has used Palestinians as human shields in operations in both Gaza and the West Bank.
Meanwhile, in response to Israel's assertions that Hamas situates its military centres in civilian areas, some have pointed out that the IDF's headquarters, the Kiriya, is in central Tel Aviv, surrounded by a hospital, blocks of flats, shopping centres and offices.
www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/...tary-bases-guerrilla-war-civilians-israel-idf
In Gaza, Hamas fighters are among civilians. There is nowhere else for them to go
Lines are blurred when a guerrilla war is fought in as dense a place as Gaza but the IDF's HQ is also surrounded by civilians
Israel's accusation that Hamas is using civilians as human shields has grown increasingly strident as the war in Gaza worsens.
The charge is laid relentlessly by political and military leaders and media commentators, repeated in conversations by members of the public and echoed in the comments of foreign politicians and diplomats. On the other side of the conflict, the accusation is vigorously denied by Hamas and others in Gaza.
The truth is lost amid the propaganda battle being waged alongside the shells, bombs, guns and rockets. What is certain is that the picture is more complicated than either side claims.
Deliberately placing non-combatants in and around targets to deter enemy attack – the definition of human shields – is illegal under international law.
The Geneva conventions state: "The presence or movements of the civilian population or individual civilians shall not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations, in particular in attempts to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield, favour or impede military operations. The parties to the conflict shall not direct the movement of the civilian population or individual civilians in order to attempt to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield military operations."
International law also bans the use of medical units or prisoners of war to deter enemy attack.
However, even if Hamas were violating the law on this matter, it would not legally justify Israel's bombing of areas where civilians are known to be.
"Any violation of these prohibitions shall not release the parties to the conflict from their legal obligations with respect to the civilian population and civilians, including the obligation to take the precautionary measures," the conventions say.
Israel claims Hamas routinely uses hospitals, mosques, schools and private homes to launch rockets at Israel, store weapons, hide command and control centres, shelter military personnel, and conceal tunnel shafts. This is their justification for targeting such places, despite the legal requirement to ensure its attacks are proportional, distinguish between military and civilian objects, and avoid civilian casualties.
Israel says it gives due notice of attack – by phone, text messages, leaflet drops and "warning missiles" – to give civilians the chance to leave.
A typical statement from the Israel Defence Forces, issued in the past few days, says: "While the IDF does everything that it can to avoid civilian casualties, Hamas deliberately puts Palestinian civilian lives in danger. Hamas hides weapons and missile launchers in densely populated areas. Instead of keeping its citizens out of harm's way, Hamas encourages and even forces Gazans to join its violent resistance against Israel. It sends men, women and children directly into the line of fire to be used as human shields for terrorists."
On Wednesday, the IDF released a series of maps purporting to show Hamas military sites close to – but not in – schools, hospitals, mosques and residential buildings. It also released video, which it said showed militants using an ambulance to flee after coming under attack by IDF troops, and said the grounds and vicinity of al-Wafa hospital in Gaza City had been "repeatedly utilised by Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad as a command centre, rocket-launching site, and a post enabling terrorists to open fire at soldiers".
Israel has repeatedly targeted the rehabilitation hospital during the course of the conflict, finally destroying the heavily damaged and, by then, empty building on Wednesday.
But the hospital's director rejected the Israeli assertion that the hospital had been used for military purposes by Hamas or other militant groups. In a statement, Basman Alashi said: "Israel has targeted our hospital based on false and misleading claims. They are targeting medical facilities, the wounded, the sick and our children, all over the Gaza Strip. They want us to know that nowhere is safe."
He added: "I hope things calm down as soon as possible. It's painful to see what's happening and that the hospital has become a target for military attacks."
The UN's discovery of arms caches in two of its schools in the past week has given Israel's assertions credence. "UNRWA [the UN agency for Palestinian refugees] immediately informed all relevant parties and issued a statement strongly condemning the abuse of its premises," said a spokesman, Chris Gunness. The UN agency UNRWA's shelters have been shelled on four occasions in recent days, despite officials giving precise coordinates to the IDF.
Israel also claimed that Hamas had forced civilians to remain in the Gaza City neighbourhood of Shujai'iya after the IDF warned them to evacuate ahead of its assault on Sunday. Civilians were being "held as hostages", said Peter Lerner, an IDF military spokesman.
These claims have not been backed up by independent reporting from international journalists covering the war from Gaza. Instead, dispatches from the ground have presented complex reasons why some residents did not evacuate from Shujai'iya and other areas targeted by the IDF. Many said nowhere in Gaza was safe, so they saw little point in abandoning their homes.
Others cited worries about not knowing the identities of people who would be their new neighbours; they could be evacuating a familiar neighbourhood for one that was a militant stronghold and others were simply too terrified to go out on the streets. Many media reports said there was no evidence of coercion by Hamas.
In fact, tens of thousands of people have fled their homes for what they hope is a safer place. UNRWA reports that more than 140,000 people have sought shelter in its properties; churches and mosques have been overwhelmed by displaced civilians; the grounds of the Shifa hospital in Gaza City have begun to resemble a makeshift refugee camp. These families are in fear of their lives, but they overwhelmingly cite Israeli bombing and shelling as the cause, rather than threats from Hamas.
Gaza is one of the most overcrowded places on earth. Almost two million people are crammed into a strip of land just 25 miles long and between three and a half and seven miles wide – roughly the same size as the Isle of Wight. In general there are few opportunities to leave; and in the midst of a conflict such as this, there is no exit.
The current war is not being fought on a conventional battlefield. Israel is pounding Gaza from the air, and its troops are increasingly fighting battles against a guerrilla army in densely populated urban areas – which constitute much of the Gaza Strip. As Israeli tanks and troops push further into the towns and cities, it is increasingly likely that Hamas will launch attacks from positions close to civilian buildings.
The separation between "civilian" and "military" in Gaza is much more blurred than with a conventional army – both physically and in the Gazan psyche. Hamas and other militants are embedded in the population. Their fighters are not quartered in military barracks, but sleep at night in their family homes. While it is not difficult to find antipathy to Hamas on the streets of Gaza in quiet times, most people defend their "right to resist" – and under such sustained military attack, support for Hamas rises.
Israel, meanwhile, does not have an unblemished record in the use of human shields. In 2010, two soldiers were convicted in an IDF military court of using an 11-year-old Palestinian boy as a human shield in its 2008-09 operation in Gaza. The pair ordered the child to search bags they suspected of being booby-trapped.
It was the first conviction of what is known within the IDF as the "neighbour procedure" – forcing civilians to assist troops in military operations. Investigations by news organisations and human rights groups have suggested the IDF has used Palestinians as human shields in operations in both Gaza and the West Bank.
Meanwhile, in response to Israel's assertions that Hamas situates its military centres in civilian areas, some have pointed out that the IDF's headquarters, the Kiriya, is in central Tel Aviv, surrounded by a hospital, blocks of flats, shopping centres and offices.
For the wanking pleasure of some of the people here especially those that cheer to the sight of white phosphor shells raining on Palestinian children. You will enjoy the photos here as well knowing the chosen people of that chosen race are enjoying that too.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing
Israelis gather on hillsides to watch and cheer as military drops bombs on Gaza.
Israelis sit on a hill to watch air strikes on Gaza, some bring drinks and snacks as they cheer the explosions a few miles away. Photograph: UPI/Landov/Barcroft Media
People drink, snack and pose for selfies against a background of explosions as Palestinian death toll mounts in ongoing offensive
As the sun begins to sink over the Mediterranean, groups of Israelis gather each evening on hilltops close to the Gaza border to cheer, whoop and whistle as bombs rain down on people in a hellish warzone a few miles away.
Old sofas, garden chairs, battered car seats and upturned crates provide seating for the spectators. On one hilltop, a swing has been attached to the branches of a pine tree, allowing its occupant to sway gently in the breeze. Some bring bottles of beer or soft drinks and snacks.
On Saturday, a group of men huddle around a shisha pipe. Nearly all hold up smartphones to record the explosions or to pose grinning, perhaps with thumbs up, for selfies against a backdrop of black smoke.
Did those huggers of the chosen race finished frotting themselves silly on those jews to heart content?
Or did you penetrate as well in addition to those frotting?
Photos of Palestinian kids or with half brain blown off made you cum with special delight?
I aim to please you and enhance your pleasure.
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