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US10m paid to Russian separatists for the black box

Merl Haggard

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Received this piece of information from my KL's very reliable source that Ah Jib had to pay US$10m to the Russian separatists for the release of MH17's black box and voice recorder.

Initial asking price was for US20m, but the Malaysians managed to negotiate it down to US$10m.

I think US$10m is very cheap considering the hundreds of millions they had to spend for MH370 and still no result.
 

laksaboy

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Well done to the Malaysians for funding the freedom fighters against the pro-EU Jew puppet Ukraine president Poroshenko, a.k.a 'Porky'.

I tip my hat to our Causeway neighbours and thank them on Putin's behalf.
 

whoami

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Definitely a wise move. Deal direct with the separatists. Never trust USA cos uncle sam will cook up a story just to bring down her adversaries.
 

Merl Haggard

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This piece of news has confirmed the information I received:





MH17: Malaysia quietly worked back channels to secure bodies, black boxes


KUALA LUMPUR: As Western leaders increasingly pointed the finger of blame at pro-Russian separatists, and Moscow itself, over the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines (MAS) flight MH17 in eastern Ukraine, the government in Kuala Lumpur said little.

The reasons for that reticence - which had drawn criticism at home - became clear on Tuesday, when Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak announced shortly after midnight that the Government had negotiated the release of the remains of nearly 300 victims of flight MH17 from separatist-held territory.

Najib, working through intermediaries to reach rebel leader Alexander Borodai, was a key figure in brokering the deal, according to two sources in Malaysia with direct knowledge of the negotiations.

The talks were kept under tight wrap, with Najib initiating the conversation and bringing only a handful of his closest confidants into the discussions.

"It was the Prime Minister’s project," one of the sources said.

"He was the main player and he kept this within a very, very, very tight circle. Even some of his closest advisers were not part of this circle, and were surprised by this deal."

The agreement was that Malaysia would receive the aircraft's "black box" voice and flight data recorders, which were in rebel hands after being recovered from the crash site near the Russian border.

The bodies would be moved from separatist-controlled territory so that international investigators could safely conduct DNA tests and later return the remains to families.

Intermediaries, whom the sources declined to identify, facilitated at least one telephone discussion between Najib and Borodai, via a translator, the sources said.

Malaysia wanted three things from the separatists: return the bodies, hand over the black boxes and assure safe access for investigators to the crash site.

Borodai’s people wanted a signed document acknowledging that the black boxes were not tampered with, the second source said.

They also insisted on handing over the black boxes to the Malaysians because they did not want the devices in the hands of the Ukrainian government. The voice and data recorders will be crucial for investigators to piece together exactly what brought down the plane as it flew over eastern Ukraine on Thursday en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

As negotiations advanced, Transport Minister Datuk Seri Liow Tiong Lai, who had been appointed to the job only a few weeks earlier, and other representatives of the airline and government flew to Kiev over the weekend.

A broad agreement took shape on Monday, and Najib broke his silence, telling a small group of officials that a deal had been struck, the first source said.

A press conference he had scheduled for 5:30pm was abruptly cancelled. At 10pm, Najib assembled his advisers and press officials at his residence for a briefing.

The public announcement came just after midnight. By morning in Malaysia on Tuesday, the black boxes were in Malaysian possession and a train carrying the bodies was heading out of separatist-controlled territory.

PUBLIC ANGER

Including the 15 crew, 43 Malaysians were killed on the plane, and in the days before the deal was made public some of Najib's advisers were urging him to make a strong statement, noting that leaders of the United States, Australia and Britain had all expressed outrage.

At home, anger was building over the poor treatment of the victims' remains. In the Muslim faith, followed by the majority of Malaysians, funerals are supposed to be held within 48 hours of death.

"There was growing pressure on the PM to reflect some of this domestic anger," the first source said. "They felt that they needed the PM to make a strong statement to the country to address some of these building concerns, and some of them began to craft a statement on Sunday afternoon."

But Najib waited. Malaysian officials say a carefully cultivated neutrality was key to sealing a deal that had eluded Western powers.

"In recent days, there were times I wanted to give greater voice to the anger and grief that the Malaysian people feel, and that I feel," Najib said when he finally broke his silence on Tuesday. "But sometimes, we must work quietly in the service of a better outcome."

Najib has cast himself as a leading moderate voice, founding the Global Movement of Moderates at a United Nations General Assembly in 2010.

Transport Minister Liow took two days before acknowledging - without assigning any blame - that the Boeing 777 appeared to have been hit by a missile over eastern Ukraine on Thursday.

Not once did he or any other Malaysian officials publicly point the finger at Russia.

"That’s the position of the Malaysian government. Our priority is not to get involved politically. We just want to get the bodies and get investigators to the site," said a government official who spoke on condition of anonymity.

While President Barack Obama blamed Russia for supporting and arming rebels who the West accuses of firing a surface-to-air missile that took down the plane, Malaysia kept channels open to both Ukraine and Russia, eventually getting direct access to separatist leader Borodai.

That meant when an agreement was reached it did not look like the rebels, or their backers in Moscow, were bowing to Western pressure, said one analyst.

"It helps, definitely, that Malaysia is seen as a non-party to the ongoing conflict on the ground," said Alan Chong, associate professor at the Rajaratnam School of International Studies in Singapore.
"Whereas NATO, the US, Britain, are definitely partial towards the Ukrainian government. They have posed particular difficulties to the rebels." – Reuters
 

congo9

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Of course. If you can deal direct and spend some money to get what you want. It is worth it !

USD 10 million ransom is considered value for money in this situation. What is USD10 million now when your butt is burning ? You too can get your National Paper to tell the Whole world about your quiet diplomacy and stuff like that, win some hearts and mind in the process.
 

congo9

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US wanted EU to sanction Russia over this incident. But the head of EU which is Germany is getting their energy supply from Russia through the pipe line in Ukaraine. Thus you see, German Chancellor is not making so much noise about this incident. Germany has kept the almost perfect peace over this issue. It is only US and UK is taking this chance to hack Russia through EU.

International politics is complicated and full of treachery. If German is not taking the fuel from Russia, guess who will they get their fuel from ? US and it Alllies. The price of crude will shoot through the roof and who will be making all the money ? It is the USA.....
 

tonychat

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Including the 15 crew, 43 Malaysians were killed on the plane, and in the days before the deal was made public some of Najib's advisers were urging him to make a strong statement, noting that leaders of the United States, Australia and Britain had all expressed outrage.

At home, anger was building over the poor treatment of the victims' remains. In the Muslim faith, followed by the majority of Malaysians, funerals are supposed to be held within 48 hours of death.

please lah, those muslim fucktards.. you think the whole fucking world revolved around your fucking religion.

This disaster affects other nationalities as well and they need the coordination of other countries to check the debris for investigation and others matter too which requires DAYS.....

and you motherfucking muslim only care about your fucking faith on funerals to be held within 48 hours...Go and tell your Allah to go fuck himself.

you bunch of motherfuckers never eat and no energy to fucking make any sense is it???
 

laksaboy

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US wanted EU to sanction Russia over this incident. But the head of EU which is Germany is getting their energy supply from Russia through the pipe line in Ukaraine. Thus you see, German Chancellor is not making so much noise about this incident. Germany has kept the almost perfect peace over this issue. It is only US and UK is taking this chance to hack Russia through EU.

International politics is complicated and full of treachery. If German is not taking the fuel from Russia, guess who will they get their fuel from ? US and it Alllies. The price of crude will shoot through the roof and who will be making all the money ? It is the USA.....

USA makes money from oil trade when it is done with dollars.

When countries attempt to switch away from the dollar, they get 'regime changed' swiftly and brutally. Refer to Saddam and Gaddafi.

Russia, China sign deal to bypass U.S. dollar
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/5/20/russia-china-bankdeal.html

Russia and China are far bigger dogs for America to deal with.
 

enterprise2

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Pondang Loon without any hesitation he would instruct Baiyi Singh to sue the Russian separatist leader for the return of the black box and voice recorder.

How can our whistle clean MIW do 'under table' deals?? They prob have to pass a law to make it legal b4 they proceed!!
 

3_M

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Black box in this case doesn't really have much value on the investigation since the event happened so sudden that the pilot wouldn't have the time to react. Examining the wreckage is more important.
 

Dark Knight

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There's no easy free lunch in this world.
m&d land also need to pay $$$ even for the collection/recovery of all their passengers.
 

scroobal

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Singapore scholars will go thru the formal crisis management process that they were all taught at Kennedy School, Harvard while attending the Masters in Public Administration course. The idea is that blame is assigned to the process and not to any leader. The PM will as usual disappear.

Essentially not street smart, inflexible and career conscious. Also no clout and shy. During the SQ hijacking, they repeatedly called the PM of Pakistan, but the her handler said she was sleeping. So shy they did not contact the US to apply pressure.

The Laju incident does also tell an interesting story - the people who should be behind the scene directing the operations offered themselves as hostages. That was SID and ISD chiefs.

If you ask any of the top businessmen in Singapore, they probably can negotiate an outcome.
 

Equalisation

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Singapore scholars will go thru the formal crisis management process that they were all taught at Kennedy School, Harvard while attending the Masters in Public Administration course. The idea is that blame is assigned to the process and not to any leader. The PM will as usual disappear.

Essentially not street smart, inflexible and career conscious. Also no clout and shy. During the SQ hijacking, they repeatedly called the PM of Pakistan, but the her handler said she was sleeping. So shy they did not contact the US to apply pressure.

The Laju incident does also tell an interesting story - the people who should be behind the scene directing the operations offered themselves as hostages. That was SID and ISD chiefs.

If you ask any of the top businessmen in Singapore, they probably can negotiate an outcome.

Somewhat disagree on your last sentence.

A lot of things, it depends on the blessings of the helmsman.:o:cool:
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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Even Najib when confronted with a tough situation can step up to the fore. He can't afford any more missteps after MH370.

LHL? He will go missing and the leadership will flounder. After that, if the results turned out well, those who contributed will be quietly promoted and have easy life ahead. Meanwhile LHL will remain missing.
 

halsey02

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Pondang Loon without any hesitation he would instruct Baiyi Singh to sue the Russian separatist leader for the return of the black box and voice recorder.

Sure like he said he will bring KLSE to the International Court of Justice over CLOB..till now, no picture & no sound....
 

halsey02

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pay $10mil, the rebel got $10K, remaining goes to putin.

Like that, the Russians are very smart, they shot down the right plane....now who dares FLY MAS?? all the rebels, in the world, will be looking for Malaysian Airlines plane & borrow from the Russians BUK missile system....wahh! the Syrians rebels are watching the ISIS is watching....the Somalians are watching...the Philippines "pirates" are watching..

one jet $10 million....forgot.. Russian Roubles? 10 mil is approx...RM 905,000!! izzit?:p
 
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