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What has that got to do with anything:confused:

Murder of civilians is murder. Take for example the death of almost 300 people in the ill fated Malaysian MH17. Do you hear people trying to belittle the numbers by comparing it to deaths in Syria:confused:

Israel controls the Gaza Strip. They aren't willing to negotiate a long term peace plan with the Palestinians. Why bother negotiating when you have the most powerful army & Air Force in the Middle East with the backing of the USA?


It not really about the number but reaction of people towards conflict in gaza does seem disproportionate as compare to conflict where there are lot more people getting killed. Certainly there are conflict elsewhere that deserve more of your attention if you are really so concern about civilian deaths.
 

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http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsCon...and-the-war-on-Gaza-A-question-of-collec.aspx





he Arabs and the war on Gaza: A question of collective action
In light of past and present indications, how can the Arab states support the Palestinian people in Gaza?
Bassem Aly, Tuesday 22 Jul 2014
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A Lebanese activist waves a Palestinian flag during a protest against the war in Gaza, in Beirut, Lebanon, Monday, July 21, 2014 (Photo: AP)
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Readers of the Palestinian-Israeli history will easily note the role played by Arab countries in this political conflict that has existed for nearly seven decades. The nature and scope of such an involvement may have varied from time to time, but it has never vanished.
As a new round in the Gaza war rages on between Israeli troops and the Islamist Hamas movement, the question begs to be asked: How are Arab governments reacting this time?

For experts, some believe that much work can be carried out -- particularly under the umbrella of the Arab League -- while others opine that a series of obstacles hinder the effecting of a strong, collective action.

What have the Arabs done for Gaza this time?

Since the start of Israel’s aerial and ground offensives on 8 July, nearly 600 Palestinians have been killed and thousands more injured. Israel, on the other hand, has lost 27 people.

On the first day of the Israeli offensive on Gaza, Head of the Arab League Nabil El-Arabi called on the UN Security Council to convene immediately and take the "necessary measures" to stop the Israeli aggression.

El-Arabi expressed concern over the humanitarian status of the Palestinian people in Gaza in light of Israel's continued crimes and violations against civilians, which blatantly breach international humanitarian law.

Two days later, on 10 July, the Security Council held an emergency meeting, with Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon asserting the urgency of avoiding, more than ever, another Palestinian-Israeli war. However, he also claimed that the threat of an Israeli ground offensive was only preventable if Hamas stopped firing rockets into Israel.

The second comment by the Arab League came on 15 July during an extraordinary league session.

Calling for "international protection" for the Palestinians, Arab foreign ministers called on all parties to accept the Egyptian initiative for a ceasefire.
In an e-mail-based interview, however, Ben White, a researcher at the Journal of Palestine Studies, said he believed the Arab League "could do much more".

"There are steps and measures available to the League, and to member-states, that would significantly increase pressure on Israel -- such as, for example, advocating for and pushing for a comprehensive arms embargo on Israel through the UN," he suggested.

And prior to that?

No political action against Israel has been adopted until now in the current war between Israel and Hamas, aside from the pan-Arab organisation's aforementioned statements. Previously, however, some significant steps had been taken that deserve mentioning here.

Defending it for several years afterwards, the Arab League adopted the so-called Arab peace initiative in 2002 during the annual Arab League Summit in Beirut.

The plan was based on the land for peace principle, as well as Israeli's acceptance of an independent Palestinian state, with East Jerusalem as its capital. In return, the Arab states would be committed to the establishment of peaceful relations with Israel. Israel, however, refused to commit to the plan.

The Arab League's biggest contribution to the Palestinians came in 2011 as it backed the Palestinian plan to seek full UN membership, which came in response to the constantly failed talks on statehood with the Israeli side.

The United States blocked the Palestinian request made by President Mahmoud Abbas in September 2011. But, in 2012, the UN General Assembly voted overwhelmingly to lift the status of the Palestinian Authority from an observer entity to a "non-member observer state", the same status as the Vatican.

Continuously, the Arab League had supported Egypt's previous reconciliation endeavours between Fatah and Hamas.

The two major blocs in Palestinian politics finally managed on 2 June to finalise a new government following seven years of enmity and failed attempts at compromise.

Israel's premier Benjamin Netanyahu warned against any international rush to recognise a Palestinian government constituted on the basis of a unity pact between Hamas and Fatah, a major cause of the ongoing Hamas-Israel war according to some commentators.

Kamel Hawwash, a British-Palestinian Professor at the University of Birmingham, had told Ahram Online then that Israel was against a single Palestinian government.

“It’s the most obvious symbol,” he asserted. Hawwash indicated that Israel needs a strong Palestinian Authority to maintain security control over the West Bank, but specifically wants to weaken Hamas.

All rounds of peace talks witnessed the exclusion of Hamas – described by Netanyahu as a terrorist organisation – which has no official dealings with either Israel or the West.

Troubled waters

One conclusion to reach about the situation in Gaza: there is no unified Arab stance.*

Hamas has rejected Egypt's initiative for an "immediate" ceasefire to end hostilities from both sides.

The plan -- accepted by Israel -- stipulated that Cairo host high-level delegations from both Israeli and Palestinian factions to discuss trust-building measures required for confirming the implementation of the deal.

Several international diplomatic efforts took place this week in order to end the war, including the visit of US Secretary of State John Kerry to Cairo. "We do believe that there's not another viable plan out there," US State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf said earlier.

Abbas met with Egypt's President Abdel-Fattah El-Sisi on Thursday. Both leaders believe a ceasefire is to be based on the terms and conditions of the Cairo-brokered ceasefire of 2012.

In Turkey, Abbas held a news conference with Turkish President Abdullah Gul in Istanbul. "Israel accepted the ceasefire proposal. We [the Palestinians] must also accept it so that we can put the Israeli side at unease," AFP quoted Abbas as saying.

According to French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius, Abbas wants France to lobby Qatar and Turkey -- Hamas allies -- to pressure the Islamist movement into accepting the truce.

The two men met at Cairo airport before Abbas left to Turkey on Friday.

On Monday, Egypt said it might be willing to amend its truce initiative in order to accommodate Hamas.

These conditions include lifting the Israeli and Egyptian blockade on Gaza and the release of several hundred Palestinians arrested by Israel last month during its search for three Jewish settlers abducted in the occupied West Bank, Reuters reported.

Moataz Salama, senior researcher at Al-Ahram Centre for Political and Strategic Studies, related Hamas' motives to refuse Cairo's plan with its affiliation to Egypt's now-banned Muslim Brotherhood movement.

The relationship between Egypt and Hamas had greatly deteriorated following the ouster of Islamist president Mohamed Morsi. Since then, Egypt became at odds with Qatar over its support for the Muslim Brotherhood.

Relations between Qatar and its Gulf neighbours, mainly Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Bahrain, took the same deteriorating path. In March, the three governments withdrew their ambassadors from Doha, accusing it of interfering in their affairs and supporting the Brotherhood.*

Abu Dhabi has accused Qatar’s Al Jazeera TV channel and websites of "fabricating" information suggesting that the UAE supported Israel's operation in Gaza, in the latest tensions between both countries.

UAE State Minister for Foreign Affairs Anwar Gargash demanded an "official apology" from Doha-based Al Jazeera for publishing news stating that a meeting had taken place between foreign ministers of the UAE and Israel, local media said on Monday.

The website of Al Jazeera Mubasher Misr had reported on Saturday that UAE Foreign Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed Al-Nahayan had met with his Israeli counterpart Avigdor Lieberman and proposed "financing" the Israeli "aggression" against Gaza "on the condition that Hamas would be completely eliminated".

Al Jazeera was quoting a website named "Arabi21" which, in turn, said it was quoting Israel's Channel 2.

"Hamas, as well as Qatar, think they can abort Egypt's role in the ceasefire instead of integrating with it, but apparently they don't understand the historical aspect of Egypt in Gaza and its ability to be the only protector of any concluded agreements," Salama*asserted.
 

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Those territory wouldn't be 'occupied'if the Arab accepted UN partition plan and peacefully coexist with the Jewish state side by side. In short those so called 'Arab land' was captured in a series of defensives wars by Israel.

Until the Palestinians get their own state – pre-1967 borders as per the Carter-Rabin agreements – there won't be peace in the entire Middle East. But the Israelis keep chipping away and building settlements on the disputed territories, hoping to achieve a fait accompli. It is little wonder why the entire world outside the Anglo-Saxon axis is behind the Palestinians.
 

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This is an incredibly low figure by any war standard. All u need is to compare the figure with any war elsewhere like recently in Syria and Iraq. There are far more Muslims killed by fellow Muslims.

1. This is not a conventional war between 2 nations. It is a genocidal war inflicted on a hapless people in territories under full control by the Israelis.
2. There's very strong evidence that the Israelis deliberately targeted civilians in this and many previous campaigns. These civilian deaths are not the usual collateral casualties you see in war.

It is no wonder that the wife of the European Central Bank President, Mrs Duisenberg, after a visit in 2003 to the occupied territories said that the Israeli occupation was 'worse than the Nazi occupation of the Netherlands'. This was incredible, considering how the Dutch had always been very mindful of Jewish sensitivities and the most hospitable nation in Europe to Jews.

11 years on, nothing has changed.


Israelis are worse than Nazis, says Duisenberg's wife



By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Brussels

12:01AM GMT 14 Jan 2003


Gretta Duisenberg, wife of the European Central Bank president, triggered a storm of outrage yesterday when she said the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories was worse than the Nazis' tyranny over the Netherlands during the Second World War.

Mrs Duisenberg made the comments after visiting the Palestinian leader, Yasser Arafat, last week as the head of Stop the Occupation, a pro-Palestinian lobby group.

She told the Dutch newspaper Algemeen Dagblad that Hitler's forces had behaved better than the Israeli government "with the exception of the Holocaust".

The Simon Wiesenthal Centre, which fights anti-Semitism throughout the world, yesterday accused her of "besmirching the memory" of Anne Frank, the Jewish girl diarist who hid for two years in an Amsterdam attic, before being caught and sent to the gas chambers.

Mrs Duisenberg's comments were also condemned by the Dutch prime minister, Jan Peter Balkenende, and appear to break the ultimate taboo in Dutch politics.Despite their liberal reputation, the Dutch collaborated more than the Belgians or Danes in handing over Jews for deportation. Anne Frank's family were betrayed to the Gestapo by Dutch informers. The great majority of Holland's Jews were murdered.

The growing scandal surrounding Mrs Duisenberg's support for the Palestinians risks inflicting severe damage on her husband's tenure at the bank. Last week, Wim Duisenberg broke his silence on his wife's militant anti-Israel campaign, saying he supported her activities "100 per cent".
 

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The superior IAF will slaughter any Arab Airforce easily any time!

[video=youtube;n-FMLNlMEoo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-FMLNlMEoo[/video]

Time expired for any Jewish nation already. There is no more room for them. My god is coming to punish your god. :biggrin:
 

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Until the Palestinians get their own state – pre-1967 borders as per the Carter-Rabin agreements – there won't be peace in the entire Middle East. But the Israelis keep chipping away and building settlements on the disputed territories, hoping to achieve a fait accompli. It is little wonder why the entire world outside the Anglo-Saxon axis is behind the Palestinians.

1967 war concerns all of Israel immediate neighbors namely Egypt, Jordan and Syria. Palestine wasn't one of them. With the exception of Syria, Israel had settled most of the border dispute and signed peace treaties with all countries concerned. What sort of pre 1967 border do you want if Palestine wasn't even at war with Israel during the Six Days War?
 

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Blind following the blind and clueless. That is why the Arabs are in a mess!! Served them right.

Follow the one and only true God the country is blessed!
 

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1. This is not a conventional war between 2 nations. It is a genocidal war inflicted on a hapless people in territories under full control by the Israelis.
2. There's very strong evidence that the Israelis deliberately targeted civilians in this and many previous campaigns. These civilian deaths are not the usual collateral casualties you see in war.


Geneva Convention don't differentiate between conventional or unconventional war which is the reason why the convention was amended to include terms like 'combatants', 'militia' which makes it equally binding for non regular armies like guerrilla or resistance movement rather than just between regular armies fighting conventional war.

Israel don't target civilians on purpose but it Hamas that is using civilian as human shield, then Hamas got to bear the legal liability if civilians were killed.
 

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if hamas is using civilians as human shield then whos doing the shooting?

Geneva Convention don't differentiate between conventional or unconventional war which is the reason why the convention was amended to include terms like 'combatants', 'militia' which makes it equally binding for non regular armies like guerrilla or resistance movement rather than just between regular armies fighting conventional war.

Israel don't target civilians on purpose but it Hamas that is using civilian as human shield, then Hamas got to bear the legal liability if civilians were killed.
 

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With the exception of Syria, Israel had settled most of the border dispute and signed peace treaties with all countries concerned. What sort of pre 1967 border do you want if Palestine wasn't even at war with Israel during the Six Days War?

Settled all border disputes? Rubbish. Israel is still in illegal occupation of Gaza strip (Egypt '67) and the West Bank/East Jerusalem (Jordan '67), and continuing to build illegal settlements there despite international condemnation.

When the Oslo 1993 Accords speaks of pre-67 borders, it refers to a Palestinian State established on the following areas (recognized by at least 130 UN members, with the US and Israel being notable exceptions):

1. West Bank. Gifted by Jordan to the PLO in '88.
2. Gaza Strip. Administered by Palestinians since '94 but effectively blockaded by Israel.
3. East Jerusalem. Annexed officially by Israel '80.

As of today, Israel occupies and maintains military & political control over 61% of the West Bank (cf pre-'67), 100% of East Jerusalem and 80% of Gaza Strip's maritime area, now further solidified by the building of the Israeli-Gaza & Israeli-West Bank barriers. Further encroachments are still being made today by the building of Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Golan Heights.

What's the point of signing peace treaties and accords when the signatory has absolutely no intention of honouring them, continues to occupy large parts illegally and allowing settlements to multiply, shrinking the proposed Palestinian areas further and further away from the agreed Green Line?
 

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Israel don't target civilians on purpose but it Hamas that is using civilian as human shield, then Hamas got to bear the legal liability if civilians were killed.

Again, you've been suckered by the Jewish-owned American media and pro-Israel Pappy propaganda and our prostitute press.

There's incontrovertible evidence by eyewitness accounts of UN observers, peacekeepers, humanitarian workers and journalists that Israel has been targeting mosques, schools, homes, hospitals and refugee camps through the years. Even Ban Ki Moon called the latest killings a 'massacre'.

Why do you think there have been 45 anti-Israel UNHRC resolutions from 2006-2013, 65 UNSC resolutions from 1955-1992, and in 2013 alone, 21 resolutions adopted by the UNGC? And all were vetoed by the US. Israel has broken more UN resolutions than any other country in history?

And the clueless here wonder Israel is so bold and defiant.

An example of Israel's glorious history of targeting innocent civilians, this time children:


Gaza's day of carnage - 40 dead as Israelis bomb two UN schools



  • Chris McGreal in Jerusalem and Hazem Balousha in Gaza City
  • The Guardian, <time itemprop="datePublished" datetime="2009-01-07" pubdate="" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; border-collapse: collapse; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; ">Wednesday 7 January 2009</time>

The UN security council debating the Gaza attacks
Link to video: UN security council debates GazaIsrael's assault on Gaza has exacted the bloodiest toll of civilian lives yet, when the bombing of UN schools being used as refugee centres and of housing killed more than 50 people, including an entire family of seven young children.

The UN protested at a "complete absence of accountability" for the escalating number of civilian deaths in Gaza, saying "the rule of the gun" had taken over. Doctors in Gaza said more than 40 people died, including children, in what appears to be the biggest single loss of life of the campaign when Israeli bombs hit al-Fakhora school, in Jabaliya refugee camp, while it was packed with hundreds of people who had fled the fighting.

Most of those killed were in the school playground and in the street, and the dead and injured lay in pools of blood. Pictures on Palestinian TV showed walls heavily marked by shrapnel and bloodstains, and shoes and shredded clothes scattered on the ground. Windows were blown out.

Hours before, three young men who were cousins died when the Israelis bombed Asma elementary school in Gaza City. They were among 400 people who had sought shelter there after fleeing their homes in Beit Lahiya, in northern Gaza.

Abed Sultan, 20, a student, and his cousins, Rawhi and Hussein Sultan, labourers aged 22, died. Abed Sultan's father, Samir, said the bodies were so mangled that he could not tell his son from the cousins. "We came to the school when the Israelis warned us to leave," he said. "We hoped it would be safe. We were 20 in one room. We had no electricity, no blankets, no food.

"Suddenly we heard a bomb that shook the school. Windows smashed. Children started to scream. A relative came and told me one of my sons was killed. I found my son's body with his two cousins. They were cut into pieces by the shell."

The UN was particularly incensed over targeting of the schools, because Israeli forces knew they were packed with families as they had ordered them to get out of their homes with leaflet drops and loudspeakers. It said it had identified the schools as refugee centres to the Israeli military and provided GPS coordinates.

Israel accused Hamas of using civilians as cover, and said the Islamist group could stop the assault on Gaza by ending its rocket attacks on Israel.

The Palestinian authority president, Mahmoud Abbas, last night delivered an impassioned plea to the UN security council to act immediately to stop the Israeli operation, which he described as a "catastrophe" for his people. Israel has agreed a "humanitarian corridor" to allow Palestinians to get essential goods.

The rising casualty toll, more than 640 Palestinians killed since the assault began 12 days ago, gave fresh impetus to diplomatic efforts. The White House offered its first hint of concern at Israel's actions by calling on it to avoid civilian deaths. The president-elect, Barack Obama, broke his silence by saying he was "deeply concerned" about civilian casualties on both sides. He said he would have "plenty to say" about the crisis after his swearing in.

Gordon Brown said the Middle East was facing its "darkest moment yet" but hoped a ceasefire could be arranged soon.

Explaining its attack on al-Fahora school, the Israeli military claimed that a mortar was fired from the playground, and it responded with a single shell whichkilled known Hamas fighters; the resulting explosion was compounded because Hamas "booby-trapped the school". Two Hamas militants were among the dead, both part of a rocket-launching cell.

The head of the UN Palestinian refugee agency, John Ging, said three shells landed at the perimeter of the school. "It was entirely inevitable if artillery shells landed in that area there would be a high number of casualties," he said.

He said UN staff vetted those Palestinians who sought shelter at the school. "So far we've not had violations by militants of our facilities," he said, though responding to questions he accepted there had been clashes between Hamas and the Israeli army in the area.

Earlier in the day, Ging visited Gaza's hospital and was shocked at the scale of civilian casualties. "What you have in this hospital is the consequences of political failure and the complete absence of any accountability for actions that are being taken. It's the rule of the gun now, and it has to stop," he said.

At least 12 of one family, seven children aged from one to 12, three women and two men, were killed in an air strike on their house in Gaza City. Nine others were believed trapped.

Israel continues to insist most of those killed by its forces are Hamas and Islamic Jihad fighters - although its assertion it is going to extraordinary lengths to target only "terrorists" has been undermined by a tank firing on a building used by Israeli troops, killing four of them, on Monday.

Another soldier was killed yesterday as Israeli forces continued their push into Gaza City. Tanks and troops also moved on the southern town of Khan Yunis.

The invasion has yet to achieve what Israel says is its goal of stopping rocket attacks. Hamas fired more than 30 into Israel yesterday, one to within 20 miles of Tel Aviv at Gadera, wounding a baby.

The de facto Hamas prime minister in Gaza, Ismail Haniyeh, issued a statement from hiding, saying that the Gazans would defeat Israel. "[Israel] has failed to force the population to surrender," he said.

 

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Russia & China should sell their WMD to Arabs and Palestinians to wipe out Israel for once and for all. Draw Americans into the bloodbath. Killing 2 births in one stone.
 

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Settled all border disputes? Rubbish. Israel is still in illegal occupation of Gaza strip (Egypt '67) and the West Bank/East Jerusalem (Jordan '67), and continuing to build illegal settlements there despite international condemnation.

When the Oslo 1993 Accords speaks of pre-67 borders, it refers to a Palestinian State established on the following areas (recognized by at least 130 UN members, with the US and Israel being notable exceptions):

1. West Bank. Gifted by Jordan to the PLO in '88.
2. Gaza Strip. Administered by Palestinians since '94 but effectively blockaded by Israel.
3. East Jerusalem. Annexed officially by Israel '80.

As of today, Israel occupies and maintains military & political control over 61% of the West Bank (cf pre-'67), 100% of East Jerusalem and 80% of Gaza Strip's maritime area, now further solidified by the building of the Israeli-Gaza & Israeli-West Bank barriers. Further encroachments are still being made today by the building of Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Golan Heights.

What's the point of signing peace treaties and accords when the signatory has absolutely no intention of honouring them, continues to occupy large parts illegally and allowing settlements to multiply, shrinking the proposed Palestinian areas further and further away from the agreed Green Line?

Rubbish. Oslo never state pre 1967 border. It an interim agreement that spell out in detail the task to be undertaken like troops withdrawal, deployment of police force, water, electricity etc. Border issues are to be settled at a later date by a permanent agreement. BTW Oslo also require PLO to arrest terrorist groups like Hamas Islamic Jihad, as we know PLO never fulfill their part of agreement. Instead Hamas have now become part of coalition govt. There is no point harping on Oslo.
 

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Again, you've been suckered by the Jewish-owned American media and pro-Israel Pappy propaganda and our prostitute press.

There's incontrovertible evidence by eyewitness accounts of UN observers, peacekeepers, humanitarian workers and journalists that Israel has been targeting mosques, schools, homes, hospitals and refugee camps through the years. Even Ban Ki Moon called the latest killings a 'massacre'.

Why do you think there have been 45 anti-Israel UNHRC resolutions from 2006-2013, 65 UNSC resolutions from 1955-1992, and in 2013 alone, 21 resolutions adopted by the UNGC? And all were vetoed by the US. Israel has broken more UN resolutions than any other country in history?

And the clueless here wonder Israel is so bold and defiant.

An example of Israel's glorious history of targeting innocent civilians, this time children:


Gaza's day of carnage - 40 dead as Israelis bomb two UN schools



  • Chris McGreal in Jerusalem and Hazem Balousha in Gaza City
  • The Guardian, <time itemprop="datePublished" datetime="2009-01-07" pubdate="" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; border-collapse: collapse; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; ">Wednesday 7 January 2009</time>

The UN security council debating the Gaza attacks
Link to video: UN security council debates GazaIsrael's assault on Gaza has exacted the bloodiest toll of civilian lives yet, when the bombing of UN schools being used as refugee centres and of housing killed more than 50 people, including an entire family of seven young children.

The UN protested at a "complete absence of accountability" for the escalating number of civilian deaths in Gaza, saying "the rule of the gun" had taken over. Doctors in Gaza said more than 40 people died, including children, in what appears to be the biggest single loss of life of the campaign when Israeli bombs hit al-Fakhora school, in Jabaliya refugee camp, while it was packed with hundreds of people who had fled the fighting.

Most of those killed were in the school playground and in the street, and the dead and injured lay in pools of blood. Pictures on Palestinian TV showed walls heavily marked by shrapnel and bloodstains, and shoes and shredded clothes scattered on the ground. Windows were blown out.

Hours before, three young men who were cousins died when the Israelis bombed Asma elementary school in Gaza City. They were among 400 people who had sought shelter there after fleeing their homes in Beit Lahiya, in northern Gaza.

Abed Sultan, 20, a student, and his cousins, Rawhi and Hussein Sultan, labourers aged 22, died. Abed Sultan's father, Samir, said the bodies were so mangled that he could not tell his son from the cousins. "We came to the school when the Israelis warned us to leave," he said. "We hoped it would be safe. We were 20 in one room. We had no electricity, no blankets, no food.

"Suddenly we heard a bomb that shook the school. Windows smashed. Children started to scream. A relative came and told me one of my sons was killed. I found my son's body with his two cousins. They were cut into pieces by the shell."

The UN was particularly incensed over targeting of the schools, because Israeli forces knew they were packed with families as they had ordered them to get out of their homes with leaflet drops and loudspeakers. It said it had identified the schools as refugee centres to the Israeli military and provided GPS coordinates.

Israel accused Hamas of using civilians as cover, and said the Islamist group could stop the assault on Gaza by ending its rocket attacks on Israel.

The Palestinian authority president, Mahmoud Abbas, last night delivered an impassioned plea to the UN security council to act immediately to stop the Israeli operation, which he described as a "catastrophe" for his people. Israel has agreed a "humanitarian corridor" to allow Palestinians to get essential goods.

The rising casualty toll, more than 640 Palestinians killed since the assault began 12 days ago, gave fresh impetus to diplomatic efforts. The White House offered its first hint of concern at Israel's actions by calling on it to avoid civilian deaths. The president-elect, Barack Obama, broke his silence by saying he was "deeply concerned" about civilian casualties on both sides. He said he would have "plenty to say" about the crisis after his swearing in.

Gordon Brown said the Middle East was facing its "darkest moment yet" but hoped a ceasefire could be arranged soon.

Explaining its attack on al-Fahora school, the Israeli military claimed that a mortar was fired from the playground, and it responded with a single shell whichkilled known Hamas fighters; the resulting explosion was compounded because Hamas "booby-trapped the school". Two Hamas militants were among the dead, both part of a rocket-launching cell.

The head of the UN Palestinian refugee agency, John Ging, said three shells landed at the perimeter of the school. "It was entirely inevitable if artillery shells landed in that area there would be a high number of casualties," he said.

He said UN staff vetted those Palestinians who sought shelter at the school. "So far we've not had violations by militants of our facilities," he said, though responding to questions he accepted there had been clashes between Hamas and the Israeli army in the area.

Earlier in the day, Ging visited Gaza's hospital and was shocked at the scale of civilian casualties. "What you have in this hospital is the consequences of political failure and the complete absence of any accountability for actions that are being taken. It's the rule of the gun now, and it has to stop," he said.

At least 12 of one family, seven children aged from one to 12, three women and two men, were killed in an air strike on their house in Gaza City. Nine others were believed trapped.

Israel continues to insist most of those killed by its forces are Hamas and Islamic Jihad fighters - although its assertion it is going to extraordinary lengths to target only "terrorists" has been undermined by a tank firing on a building used by Israeli troops, killing four of them, on Monday.

Another soldier was killed yesterday as Israeli forces continued their push into Gaza City. Tanks and troops also moved on the southern town of Khan Yunis.

The invasion has yet to achieve what Israel says is its goal of stopping rocket attacks. Hamas fired more than 30 into Israel yesterday, one to within 20 miles of Tel Aviv at Gadera, wounding a baby.

The de facto Hamas prime minister in Gaza, Ismail Haniyeh, issued a statement from hiding, saying that the Gazans would defeat Israel. "[Israel] has failed to force the population to surrender," he said.


What can u expect from UN when they are part of the problem.

Look at what the logo on the ambulance?
[video=youtube;HLd0URED_tE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLd0URED_tE[/video]
 

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Rubbish. Oslo never state pre 1967 border. It an interim agreement that spell out in detail the task to be undertaken like troops withdrawal, deployment of police force, water, electricity etc. Border issues are to be settled at a later date by a permanent agreement. BTW Oslo also require PLO to arrest terrorist groups like Hamas Islamic Jihad, as we know PLO never fulfill their part of agreement. Instead Hamas have now become part of coalition govt. There is no point harping on Oslo.

Bollocks. Oslo I and II were signed on the explicit agreement that the Palestinians would be granted self-government for 5 years before permanent settlement based on UN Resolution 242 (1967), which states:

<dl style="margin-top: 0.2em; margin-right: 40px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 40px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><dd style="line-height: 1.6; margin-left: 1.6em; margin-bottom: 0.1em; margin-right: 0px; "><dl style="margin-top: 0.2em; margin-right: 40px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 40px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><dd style="line-height: 1.6; margin-left: 1.6em; margin-bottom: 0.1em; margin-right: 0px; ">(i) Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;</dd></dl></dd></dl><dl style="margin-top: 0.2em; margin-right: 40px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 40px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><dd style="line-height: 1.6; margin-left: 1.6em; margin-bottom: 0.1em; margin-right: 0px; "><dl style="margin-top: 0.2em; margin-right: 40px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 40px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><dd style="line-height: 1.6; margin-left: 1.6em; margin-bottom: 0.1em; margin-right: 0px; ">(ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."</dd></dl></dd></dl>
Hence the reference to pre-'67 borders (Green Line) in all subsequent Israeli-Palestinian negotiations. Oslo laid the time frame for self-determination and statehood, while 242 lays down the basis for deciding the boundaries of the state.

Even Obama has clarified the US stand:

Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders

By Tom Cohen, CNN
May 20, 2011 -- Updated 0053 GMT (0853 HKT)

Washington (CNN) -- President Barack Obama on Thursday made official the long-held but rarely stated U.S. support for a future Palestinian state based on borders that existed before the 1967 Middle East war.

In the past, the United States has unofficially backed a two-state solution to the Israel-Palestinian conflict based on the borders in place prior to the war 44 years ago in which Israel seized the West Bank, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights and Sinai Peninsula.

In a major speech Thursday, Obama became the first president to formally endorse the policy, but he also acknowledged the need for modifications through the negotiating process due to conditions on the ground.

"The United States believes that negotiations should result in two states, with permanent Palestinian borders with Israel, Jordan, and Egypt, and permanent Israeli borders with Palestine," Obama said in the concluding section of his 45-minute address that looked at political and social change sweeping across the Middle East and North Africa.

"We believe the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states," Obama continued.

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Bollocks. Oslo I and II were signed on the explicit agreement that the Palestinians would be granted self-government for 5 years before permanent settlement based on UN Resolution 242 (1967), which states:

<dl style="margin-top: 0.2em; margin-right: 40px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 40px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><dd style="line-height: 1.6; margin-left: 1.6em; margin-bottom: 0.1em; margin-right: 0px; "><dl style="margin-top: 0.2em; margin-right: 40px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 40px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><dd style="line-height: 1.6; margin-left: 1.6em; margin-bottom: 0.1em; margin-right: 0px; ">(i) Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;</dd></dl></dd></dl><dl style="margin-top: 0.2em; margin-right: 40px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 40px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><dd style="line-height: 1.6; margin-left: 1.6em; margin-bottom: 0.1em; margin-right: 0px; "><dl style="margin-top: 0.2em; margin-right: 40px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 40px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><dd style="line-height: 1.6; margin-left: 1.6em; margin-bottom: 0.1em; margin-right: 0px; ">(ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."</dd></dl></dd></dl>
Hence the reference to pre-'67 borders (Green Line) in all subsequent Israeli-Palestinian negotiations. Oslo laid the time frame for self-determination and statehood, while 242 lays down the basis for deciding the boundaries of the state.

Even Obama has clarified the US stand:

Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders

By Tom Cohen, CNN
May 20, 2011 -- Updated 0053 GMT (0853 HKT)

Washington (CNN) -- President Barack Obama on Thursday made official the long-held but rarely stated U.S. support for a future Palestinian state based on borders that existed before the 1967 Middle East war.

In the past, the United States has unofficially backed a two-state solution to the Israel-Palestinian conflict based on the borders in place prior to the war 44 years ago in which Israel seized the West Bank, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights and Sinai Peninsula.

In a major speech Thursday, Obama became the first president to formally endorse the policy, but he also acknowledged the need for modifications through the negotiating process due to conditions on the ground.

"The United States believes that negotiations should result in two states, with permanent Palestinian borders with Israel, Jordan, and Egypt, and permanent Israeli borders with Palestine," Obama said in the concluding section of his 45-minute address that looked at political and social change sweeping across the Middle East and North Africa.

"We believe the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states," Obama continued.

<dl style="margin-top: 0.2em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; "><dd style="line-height: 1.6; margin-left: 1.6em; margin-bottom: 0.1em; margin-right: 0px; "></dd></dl>

Look at the sentence careful.

The resolution does not make Israeli withdrawal a prerequisite for Arab action. Moreover, it does not specify how much territory Israel is required to give up. The UNSC did not say Israel must withdraw from “all” territories occupied after the Six-Day War.

furthermore resolution 242 stated in paragraph 3, is the achievement of a “peaceful and accepted settlement.” This means a negotiated agreement based on the resolution’s principles rather than one imposed upon the parties. There is no question of returning to the pre-1967 border.
 

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The resolution does not make Israeli withdrawal a prerequisite for Arab action. Moreover, it does not specify how much territory Israel is required to give up. The UNSC did not say Israel must withdraw from “all” territories occupied after the Six-Day War.

You're just playing around with words. The phrase "withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict" is understood to mean 'all' or 'any' territory seized, in the absence of any qualifier. If the police asks you to return articles stolen in a recent heist, are you going to disingenuously argue that 'articles' can mean 'some articles'?

Read the actual UN document, para 1, article (i): http://unispal.un.org/unispal.nsf/0/7D35E1F729DF491C85256EE700686136

The word 'territories' is further footnoted by this map, making it very clear that it's a full return to pre-1967 borders:

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You're just playing around with words. The phrase "withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict" is understood to mean 'all' or 'any' territory seized, in the absence of any qualifier. If the police asks you to return articles stolen in a recent heist, are you going to disingenuously argue that 'articles' can mean 'some articles'?

Read the actual UN document, para 1, article (i): http://unispal.un.org/unispal.nsf/0/7D35E1F729DF491C85256EE700686136

The word 'territories' is further footnoted by this map, making it very clear that it's a full return to pre-1967 borders:

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I am not playing with words but the politicians who drafted the text of resolution 242 were playing with words. In fact all political statements, treaties unlike school essay are carefully drafted with wordings specially selected or omitted so as to remove any ambiguity or purposely create the ambiguity. US ambassador to UN Arthur Goldberg later acknowledge that the omission of the words 'All" and the 'June 5th 1967 line 'wasn't accidental but intentionally left out. Resolution 242 called for the withdrawal from occupied territory without defining the final border or extend of withdrawal.
 
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