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MH17 : what really happened

neddy

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*Why did Ukrainian air traffic control divert flight MH17 to a flight path well north of its intended route, a route already established as being unsafe for air traffic after the destruction of air traffic control facilities in the on-going Ukrainian army/Separatist violence ?

Is Ukraine using civillian aircrafts as cover? Why are they not releasing the air traffic conversations to back up their terrorist story, and keep them in the clear? What is there to hide?
 

neddy

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mr know all already pass death sentence on russia without trial yet u dare to come rebuts his "truths". U die liao, he will declare u as pap lackey.:biggrin:

I think he knows that I hate PAP. He is now too busy fighting another important war than to bother with insignificant me.
 

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Good post bro neddy. I have been thinking about this too before I read your post. Another conspiracy theory to justify or stir up more political resentment towards Russian/pro russian urkraine to justify military intervention? Just like those conspiracy theories around about the twin towers that justified them to invade Iraq? Glad I'm not the only one with this thought.
 

sleaguepunter

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I repeat the same logic, the sam need highly trained crew to operate so it had to regular Russia army personnel manning the sam so they should be able to differential an airliner to a military aircraft. Furthermore, Ukraine fighter bomber won't even operate above 10k feet if they are to engage the militia ground units. So why the fark the "separatist" sam crew shoot down a plane flying at 33k feet that post no danger to them? Russian army don't give tactical control to junior officer so I won't be surprise the sam commander need approval from at least the region military commander to even fire one missile.
 

nkfnkfnkf

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USA warship from Black Sea fired missile to down MH17 delibrayely to frame Putin

To fabricate excuse to carry out military operation there y fooling the dumb congressonce again.

Similar with Iran Contra Rebel arms scandal tricks of CIA.

That's all it is.
 

neddy

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USA warship from Black Sea fired missile to down MH17 delibrayely to frame Putin

To fabricate excuse to carry out military operation there y fooling the dumb congressonce again.

Similar with Iran Contra Rebel arms scandal tricks of CIA.

That's all it is.


I remembered this,

Former Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad claimed that Flight 370, which disappeared on March 8 with 239 people on board, claimed that the CIA could have taken control of the Boeing 777, and lamented that the Malaysian government is bearing the brunt of the blame for a mystery that sparked a massive, expensive and as-of-yet unsuccessful international search for the plane.
 

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The article was written by a Journalist who provides content to Russia Today and the Voice of Russia. Same journalist also wrote an article about Osama and his Afghanistan. Two weeks later the Seals took out Osama,

Its like asking ST to write a tribute to Sylvia Lim. At least you made some clowns who were clutching at straws happy like fuck.

Lets keep an "open mind" despite overwhelming evidence from multiple open sources.
 

neddy

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The article was written by a Journalist who provides content to Russia Today and the Voice of Russia. Same journalist also wrote an article about Osama and his Afghanistan. Two weeks later the Seals took out Osama,

Its like asking ST to write a tribute to Sylvia Lim. At least you made some clowns who were clutching at straws happy like fuck.

Lets keep an "open mind" despite overwhelming evidence from multiple open sources.

If I want to learn more about ST rather than SL, I will ask them to write her tributes.

I am more interested to know if Malaysia has stepped on CIA'S toe than any of SBF forummers toes.

I have this bad feeling that MAS is gone for good. They cannot recover this time round. The vultures are circling above, and they are not clowning around. Airlines are cut throat business, and budget ones are suffocating MAS.
 

3_M

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The motive

Only the terminally brain dead believe shooting a passenger jet benefits the federalists in Eastern Ukraine, not to mention the Kremlin and Putin.


As for Kiev, they'd have the means, the motive and the window of opportunity to pull it off - especially after Kiev's militias have been effectively routed, and were in retreat, in the Donbass; and this after Kiev remained dead set on attacking and bombing the population of Eastern Ukraine even from above. No wonder the federalists had to defend themselves.


The missing air traffic controller

The curiouser and curiouser story of Carlos, the Spanish air traffic controller working at Kiev's tower, who was following MH17 in real time. For some Carlos is legit - not a cipher; for others, he's never even worked in Ukraine. Anyway he tweeted like mad. His account - not accidentally - has been shut down, and he has disappeared; his friends are now desperately looking for him.

These are some of his crucial tweets:

"The B777 was escorted by 2 Ukrainian fighter jets minutes before disappearing from radar (5.48 pm)"
"If the Kiev authorities want to admit the truth 2 fighter jets were flying very close a few minutes before the incident but did not shoot down the airliner (5.54)"
"As soon as the Malaysia Airlines B777 disappeared the Kiev military authority informed us of the shooting down. How did they know? (6.00)"
"Everything has been recorded on radar. For those that don't believe it, it was taken down by Kiev; we know that here (in traffic control) and the military air traffic control know it too (7.14)"
"The Ministry of the Interior did know that there were fighter aircraft in the area, but the Ministry of Defense didn't. (7.15)"
"The military confirm that it was Ukraine, but it is not known where the order came from. (7.31)"

Carlos's assessment (a partial compilation of his tweets is collected here http://slavyangrad.wordpress.com/20...rport-ukraine-military-shot-down-boeing-mh17/ ): the missile was fired by the Ukraine military under orders of the Ministry of Interior - NOT the Ministry of Defense. Security matters at the Ministry of the Interior happen to be under Andriy Parubiy, who was closely working alongside US neo-cons and Banderastan neo-nazis on Maidan.


It doesn't serve anyone's interests to shoot down an airliner. It likely to be an accidental fire.

Chances of Ukraine and Russia shooting down the plane is very low as their ATC have the flight plan . Only the rebels don't know. Thus on this count, it makes it seems more likely that it the rebels who shot down MH17.
 

rotiprata

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It doesn't serve anyone's interests to shoot down an airliner. It likely to be an accidental fire.

Chances of Ukraine and Russia shooting down the plane is very low as their ATC have the flight plan . Only the rebels don't know. Thus on this count, it makes it seems more likely that it the rebels who shot down MH17.

yes, likely so...
there's only one army in this world who enjoys firing missiles like fireworks :biggrin:
 

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Hmmm I'll play along, how would killing off MAS benefit anyone? be it CIA? China etc? who benefits the most from its demise?

If I want to learn more about ST rather than SL, I will ask them to write her tributes.

I am more interested to know if Malaysia has stepped on CIA'S toe than any of SBF forummers toes.

I have this bad feeling that MAS is gone for good. They cannot recover this time round. The vultures are circling above, and they are not clowning around. Airlines are cut throat business, and budget ones are suffocating MAS.
 

War Criminal

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More of this unbelievable conspiracy theories, possibly spun by pro-russians:

The article said the plane went down in Ukranian held territory?? Then why are there numerous photos and eyewitness records showing pro-russian rebels digging around the plane wreckage? And international agreement that pro-russian rebels are in control of the crash area and are trying to destroy/steal evidence?

And how then did the rebels get hold of the black box? And if they were innocent, why didn't they release it to international investigators or at least release the data inside, instead of sending it to Moscow?

What about the famous tweet made by the rebel commander proclaiming they had shot down a "Ukranian warplane"?

In the facing of mounting evidence, now Putin's changed his line to "MH17 crash shouldn't be used to push politics". Getting on the defensive already?

What is more sad about the destruction of the plane and loss of lives are the rebel's hindrance of investigation and relief efforts, for their own nefarious purposes. Imagine your loved ones all rotting there in the sun or getting picked on by crows.

Can't believe there're people still defending those monsters...
 

neddy

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We need to find the truth, I suspect both Ukraine and Russian contribute to MH 17 tragedy.
REMEMBER THIS
Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 was shot down by the Ukrainian military over the Black Sea on 4 October 2001, en route from Tel Aviv, Israel to Novosibirsk, Russia
. The world blamed Russia initially. Lated, the investigation found Ukraine guilty. It was an accidental launch of s200.


TEN QUESTIONS FOR THE UKRAINIAN AUTHORITIES

1. Immediately after the tragedy, the Ukrainian authorities, naturally, blamed it on the rebel forces. What are these accusations based on?

2. Can Kiev explain in detail how it uses Buk missile launchers in the conflict zone? And why were these systems deployed there in the first place, seeing as the rebel forces don’t have any planes?

3. Why are the Ukrainian authorities not doing anything to set up an international commission? When will such a commission begin its work?

4. Would the Ukrainian Armed Forces be willing to let international investigators see the inventory of their air-to-air and surface-to-air missiles, including those used in SAM launchers?

5. Will the international commission have access to tracking data from reliable sources regarding the movements of Ukrainian warplanes on the day of the tragedy?

6. Why did Ukrainian air traffic controllers allow the plane to deviate from the regular route to the north, towards “the anti-terrorist operation zone”?

7. Why was airspace over the warzone not closed for civilian flights, especially since the area was not entirely covered by radar navigation systems?

8. How can official Kiev comment on reports in the social media, allegedly by a Spanish air traffic controller who works in Ukraine, that there were two Ukrainian military planes flying alongside the Boeing 777 over Ukrainian territory?

9. Why did Ukraine’s Security Service start working with the recordings of communications between Ukrainian air traffic controllers and the Boeing crew and with the data storage systems from Ukrainian radars without waiting for international investigators?

10. What lessons has Ukraine learned from a similar incident in 2001, when a Russian Tu-154 crashed into the Black Sea? Back then, the Ukrainian authorities denied any involvement on the part of Ukraine’s Armed Forces until irrefutable evidence proved official Kiev to be guilty.
 
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