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Riot was a consequence of govt's policies of high dependency on foreign workers?

Confuseous

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Andrew helms publichouse.sg as Editor-in-Chief. His writings have been reproduced in other publications, including the Australian Housing Journal in 2010. He was nominated by Yahoo Singapore as one of Singapore's most influential media persons in 2011. The views expressed here are his own.

The “riot” in Little India on Sunday night has far-reaching consequences for Singapore. It goes to the very heart of how we build, literally, this home of ours and its economic progress.

Our dependence on foreigners has become legendary, with some 40 per cent – 2 million - of our population being non-local. The rapid increase in this number had led to extreme strain not only on physical infrastructure but also on public services. But more importantly, the more serious consequence has always been the social tension between Singaporeans and foreigners.

With the influx, the discomfort between the two groups have heightened in recent times, even as the government sought to alleviate this with various measures, including “sharpening” the distinction in state welfare, and in integration efforts.

However, with such a huge foreign population, such measures will take a long time to bear fruit. And as Sunday’s violence shows, things can take a serious turn in a heartbeat.

The news report that the street violence, Singapore’s first since 1969, was sparked by the death of a South Asian national who had been fatally hit by a bus. It is still unclear, however, why this should set off such rioting, especially since all accounts seem to say that medical help arrived quite promptly after the accident happened.

Is there more to it than we currently understand?

But even as the police investigate and ascertain the cause and perpetrators of the violence and bring them to justice, it would be remiss of us if we did not also asked deeper questions about the incident, and what – truly – sparked it.

The plight of foreign workers, especially and particularly those who do lower-end, low-wage jobs in the construction and marine industry, has been highlighted often by various quarters, including non-governmental organisations and bloggers.

The concerns are many and have been well-articulated. The government, undoubtedly, is aware of these. Of course one is not certain that Sunday’s incident happened because of such underlying unhappiness among our foreign workers. Nonetheless, it is a possibility which we should finally address in concrete and substantial ways.

It is important to highlight once again the many problems our foreign workers face, problems which add to their unhappiness, which most of the time is left to simmer. For many a time, there is not much else a lowly worker could.

Singapore’s liberal labour laws with regards to the employment of cheap labour has led to exploitative wages and living conditions. Its lack of legal protection for these workers adds to the oppressive climate these foreigners work in. While the government, under public pressure, has pledged and taken some steps to address these, they do not go far enough.

For example, the simple matter of requiring employers to issue pay slips, which is a norm anywhere else, was deemed too “costly” for employers to undertake, according to the Manpower Ministry. This leads to frustrations for the employee when it comes to settling pay disputes with their employers. It is not uncommon for the Manpower Ministry to require the worker to show proof of non-payment in such disputes. It is an issue which the NGOs have raised several times.

But besides addressing these particular or specific issues, the main issue which Singaporeans continue to be concerned about is the government’s overarching immigration and labour policies.

While, as said above, the government has taken steps to address these concerns, the fact remains that Singapore continues to be overcrowded, and that more foreign workers are being allowed in, albeit at a slower pace. At the current rate of influx, we will still reach a substantially larger population in not too distant a future. Some have even approved of a 8 million population for Singapore. The government has, for now, only projected a “planning scenario” of a 6.9 million population by 2030.

Singaporeans, however, remain wary and deeply troubled that 6.9 million may in fact be the lower-end of the scale which their government is looking at. After all, we have surpassed the previous two “planning scenarios” of 4 million and 5 million by 2000 and 2012, respectively.

While the government now says it is more aware of infrastructural shortcomings and has revealed new city planning and land use masterplans, these are but only physical town planning scenarios.

The more uncertain aspect of all these is the social fall-out or social ills we – locals and foreigners – will face, integration effort notwithstanding.

The government must understand, which it claims it does, that a society cannot imbibe such a large foreign contingent in such a short space of time, and expect all to be fine.

The underlying unhappiness has been palpable for several years now – among Singaporeans, and among foreigners as well. It is not uncommon now to hear foreigners disparage Singaporeans openly, especially on social media and online forums.

Singaporeans expressing the same about foreigners is also not uncommon. Last year’s SMRT strike by 170 of the company’s bus drivers, for example, sparked off what were seen as xenophobic reactions.

Sunday’s “riot” involved foreign workers, apparently. What our leaders should keep in mind is also the continuing unhappiness among Singaporeans with its labour, population and immigration policies.

As this writer wrote last year, sentiments have reached a certain point where all it might take is another incident for it to boil over. And yes, it may be too late by then.
 

winners

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A true fact is that our government is always Pro-Employers and Pro-Business. Many low end workers are being exploited, including Sinkies themselves.

This government and its cronies (like the MOM and the union) must change their rule of governance and be more impartial towards the workers, their rights and appropriate entitlements. Every one has a limit in their restraints but once breached, anything crazy can just happen.
 

firmerterra

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There are no easy answers in running a country , still I call this home where ever I am. Just remember our's is just a small island and our neighbours are watching.
 

zeddy

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To be fair, the present low end Kelings are doing labour jobs that are traditionally been associated with them since the colonial days.. My main beef is with the high end India Pariahs in the PMET sectors..
 
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halsey02

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Yeah, and an alcohol ban, plus some security cameras, will solve all problems. :rolleyes:

Ban Alcohol will not solve the problem, security camera will not either. Limiting the number of Foreign Indians workers that are registered with MOM, to come to Little India to shop etc on a certain weekends may help.

The rioters have put the average SINgaporeans to shame, who dare not even do 1/8 of what they have done & highlighted the inefficient government we have & an over paid one to boot. The residents & shop keepers of the "TEKKA" area, must be shouting with joy, for all the years of complains & complains had fallen to deaf ears & it take a blast to lull these fat 'dinosaurs' to do some concrete work. Unfortunately a riot has to happen, to make things happen... what a shame!.

:rolleyes:
 

Kuailan

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Andrew helms publichouse.sg as Editor-in-Chief. His writings have been reproduced in other publications, including the Australian Housing Journal in 2010. He was nominated by Yahoo Singapore as one of Singapore's most influential media persons in 2011. The views expressed here are his own.

The “riot” in Little India on Sunday night has far-reaching consequences for Singapore. It goes to the very heart of how we build, literally, this home of ours and its economic progress.

Our dependence on foreigners has become legendary, with some 40 per cent – 2 million - of our population being non-local. The rapid increase in this number had led to extreme strain not only on physical infrastructure but also on public services. But more importantly, the more serious consequence has always been the social tension between Singaporeans and foreigners.

With the influx, the discomfort between the two groups have heightened in recent times, even as the government sought to alleviate this with various measures, including “sharpening” the distinction in state welfare, and in integration efforts.

However, with such a huge foreign population, such measures will take a long time to bear fruit. And as Sunday’s violence shows, things can take a serious turn in a heartbeat.

The news report that the street violence, Singapore’s first since 1969, was sparked by the death of a South Asian national who had been fatally hit by a bus. It is still unclear, however, why this should set off such rioting, especially since all accounts seem to say that medical help arrived quite promptly after the accident happened.

Is there more to it than we currently understand?

But even as the police investigate and ascertain the cause and perpetrators of the violence and bring them to justice, it would be remiss of us if we did not also asked deeper questions about the incident, and what – truly – sparked it.

The plight of foreign workers, especially and particularly those who do lower-end, low-wage jobs in the construction and marine industry, has been highlighted often by various quarters, including non-governmental organisations and bloggers.

The concerns are many and have been well-articulated. The government, undoubtedly, is aware of these. Of course one is not certain that Sunday’s incident happened because of such underlying unhappiness among our foreign workers. Nonetheless, it is a possibility which we should finally address in concrete and substantial ways.

It is important to highlight once again the many problems our foreign workers face, problems which add to their unhappiness, which most of the time is left to simmer. For many a time, there is not much else a lowly worker could.

Singapore’s liberal labour laws with regards to the employment of cheap labour has led to exploitative wages and living conditions. Its lack of legal protection for these workers adds to the oppressive climate these foreigners work in. While the government, under public pressure, has pledged and taken some steps to address these, they do not go far enough.

For example, the simple matter of requiring employers to issue pay slips, which is a norm anywhere else, was deemed too “costly” for employers to undertake, according to the Manpower Ministry. This leads to frustrations for the employee when it comes to settling pay disputes with their employers. It is not uncommon for the Manpower Ministry to require the worker to show proof of non-payment in such disputes. It is an issue which the NGOs have raised several times.

But besides addressing these particular or specific issues, the main issue which Singaporeans continue to be concerned about is the government’s overarching immigration and labour policies.

While, as said above, the government has taken steps to address these concerns, the fact remains that Singapore continues to be overcrowded, and that more foreign workers are being allowed in, albeit at a slower pace. At the current rate of influx, we will still reach a substantially larger population in not too distant a future. Some have even approved of a 8 million population for Singapore. The government has, for now, only projected a “planning scenario” of a 6.9 million population by 2030.

Singaporeans, however, remain wary and deeply troubled that 6.9 million may in fact be the lower-end of the scale which their government is looking at. After all, we have surpassed the previous two “planning scenarios” of 4 million and 5 million by 2000 and 2012, respectively.

While the government now says it is more aware of infrastructural shortcomings and has revealed new city planning and land use masterplans, these are but only physical town planning scenarios.

The more uncertain aspect of all these is the social fall-out or social ills we – locals and foreigners – will face, integration effort notwithstanding.

The government must understand, which it claims it does, that a society cannot imbibe such a large foreign contingent in such a short space of time, and expect all to be fine.

The underlying unhappiness has been palpable for several years now – among Singaporeans, and among foreigners as well. It is not uncommon now to hear foreigners disparage Singaporeans openly, especially on social media and online forums.

Singaporeans expressing the same about foreigners is also not uncommon. Last year’s SMRT strike by 170 of the company’s bus drivers, for example, sparked off what were seen as xenophobic reactions.

Sunday’s “riot” involved foreign workers, apparently. What our leaders should keep in mind is also the continuing unhappiness among Singaporeans with its labour, population and immigration policies.

As this writer wrote last year, sentiments have reached a certain point where all it might take is another incident for it to boil over. And yes, it may be too late by then.

One word = Stupid Foreign Trash policy, lope sided papaya policy never listen to the ppl
brush aside Opposition suggestion this is what papaya is good for!! Now this happened!!

6.9million and up to 8million = Fcuk you!! ok!
 

kingrant

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It is natural and certainly precious political capital for the PAP govt to play down causes other than some small group became unruly while intoxicated and agitated over the accident. They must quickly do damage control to their already poor PR image. Admitting foreign labour grievances will mean pointing a finger at themselves. Admitting a loose liberal foreign immigration policy will do the same thing. By denying such linkages, and keeping us focused on an unruly mob psychology, they can limit the damage done, and move on from irritating uncomfortable 'truths'.
 

Sinkie

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Yeah right...go ahead and blame the toddy.........motherfucking useless fuckup moronic chobolan Parliament.

I always wonder why we even bother to vote a government and pay taxes........only to get totally incompetent clowns who are also fucking self-serving.

Bad Karma will happen to them. Mark my words.
 

winnipegjets

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There are no easy answers in running a country , still I call this home where ever I am. Just remember our's is just a small island and our neighbours are watching.

We are supposed to have the brainiest people running the country, thus they deserved the world's highest pay for ministers. Yet, they have consistent produce below or average results, no better than much lower paid ministers elsewhere with a bigger population and land area.
 

Leongsam

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We are supposed to have the brainiest people running the country, thus they deserved the world's highest pay for ministers. Yet, they have consistent produce below or average results, no better than much lower paid ministers elsewhere with a bigger population and land area.

I don't see below average results. I see excellent results if I look at the bottom line indices.

It's true that Singapore isn't as orderly and as sterile as before but that's the case in all countries simply because of the huge change in the way the world economy operates in this day and age.
 
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