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Shane Todd's murder cover-up

watchman8

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Re: 3.40AM his hardrive was accessed remotely!!

I can understand why the Todds were upset that the HD was accessed but not by forensic experts.

I can also understand police would want to take away any evidence, HD included, to verify if there was any info on them to support a murder, or a suicide.

Imagine if a person wanted to commit suicide.. but found it hard to write.. typing a note and sending it out via internet email might be a faster way. or posting on FB. These actions would leave "footprints" on the pcs or laptops. Taking the HD was logical to me.. but not having a forensic expert to access it sounds funny.

Furthermore.. whether it is suicide or not.. with suicide note or not.. I thought it would be logical to check for fingerprints to see if ANYONE else came into the house or was at the scene. I mean.. even if all looks fine.. checking for fingerprints doesn't hurt.. it might even produce evidence.. no?

The most weird thing is, why wasn't the stuff that was used to commit suicide (the towel or strap) tested for DNA? Seems like a laspe in procedure. I would have thought that you go through the steps, go through the motion to follow through procedure.. to ENSURE that all has been done.. even if nothing was found on the items.. you would have no one to say you didn't do it.

Now.. it seems that the ppl who were supposed to do their jobs.. seemed to have miss some simple procedures. Or is it because there was a huge spike in foreigners committing suicide... and therefore.. their reaction was "aiyah.. another one.. sure confirm suicide.. no need check liao" ??

Either way, this is a wake up call to the ppl in vital positions.. don't slack. Why have we been seeing so many instances of ppl in vital positions seeming making mistakes.. especially when most of them are very well paid individuals too???
Because too many suicide cases here. If every case must treat like murder, then police force need to double in size liao.
 

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Re: 3.40AM his hardrive was accessed remotely!!

Most people who are there will not want to jeopardize their position by going against the PAP. If the PAP ask Wee to do what is necessary to cover up, he will. Successful people in the establishment are there at the pleasure of the PAP.

they use pontificators here
 

winnipegjets

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Re: 3.40AM his hardrive was accessed remotely!!

The goons could have hung Todd.

So, Todd had depression - it was not severe. Was there a reason to kill himself? No.

The forensic pathologist can't explain marks.

When you read the PAP-Press, don't take the whole story that the PAP wants to sell to you, glean for bits and pieces of facts and then form your conclusion. Don't dismiss the parents' contention.

By Rennie Whang
The New Paper
Sunday, May 19, 2013

SINGAPORE - The pathologist had examined Dr Shane Todd's body, and concluded he had "no doubt" it was a case of asphyxia due to hanging - of which he's seen about 800 cases.

Rarer are cases of strangulation - he recalled seeing one in 2009 and another last year. On Thursday, he and a psychiatrist who had seen Dr Todd, shed light on the US researcher's living and postmortem circumstances.

The coroner's inquiry into the death of Dr Todd, who was found hanged in his Spottiswoode Park apartment last year, continued on Friday.

They discussed the following on Thursday.

1. Could he have been strangled?

Dr Wee Keng Poh, senior consultant forensic pathologist who supervised Dr Todd's post-mortem, said that ligature marks found on him pointed to hanging.

The marks ran below the chin towards the back of the neck, in an inverted V shape 38cm-long. At the back of his neck was a 4cm stretch of unmarked skin.

On the other hand, marks in strangulation cases would usually be horizontal, and run completely around the neck, he said.

A dissection of Dr Todd's neck also revealed no haemorrhaging or fractures.

Two independent experts, Dr David Fowler and Dr Valerie Rao, respective Chief Medical Examiners of the State of Maryland and that of District 4 and part of District 3, Jacksonville, Florida, US, affirmed that haemorrhaging or fractures of underlying structures were usually seen in manual strangulation cases.

Dr Wee had added in his autopsy: "In ligature strangulation, there is often a struggle for life, one can often expect to find fingernail scratches on the front and side of neck."

These would be as the victim usually fights to relieve the strangulation. But there were no scratches on his neck, he said.

Nor had there been ruptured capillaries in Dr Todd's eyes. Strangulation would increase the blood pressure in the capillaries, predisposing the capillaries rupturing in the eyes, he said.

Dr Fowler and Dr Rao agreed that broken blood capillaries around the eyes or face would have been unusual in suicidal hangings, and there had been none.

2. What caused the injuries?

What of bruises on Dr Todd's palms and near his wrist, which a Deputy Medical Examiner in Boone County and Callaway County, US, had described as "multiple blunt trauma injuries"?

These, said Dr Edward Adelstein, a pathologist engaged by the Todd family in the US, were "very visible at the time of funeral".

Dr Todd's funeral was on July 5 last year, about two weeks after his body was found.

Dr Wee said they were not bruises, but hypostasis or postmortem lividity - blood circulating passively after a person dies, resulting in purple colouration of dependent parts.

They had not been present at the time of post-mortem, he said.

When showed photos taken on July 4 last year of scratch marks on Dr Todd's neck, he said these hadn't been around during the post-mortem as well.

"I really do not know how these marks arose," Dr Wee said. But he said they were due to hypostasis, and not likely due to injuries.


Asked by lawyer Steven Lam, who represents the family, if any DNA testing had been done on Dr Todd's fingernails, Dr Wee said: "Not that I know of."

Dr Adelstein had also found suspicious the fact that Dr Todd's lungs were "normal" in weight at the time of the autopsy.

This he thought did not point to a case of suicide by hanging, and that this was evidence Dr Todd died rapidly, and was unconscious 20 to 30 seconds after the ligature was applied.

But Dr Wee said he disagreed, and Dr Fowler had said that comment was "not in any literature he was aware of".

3. Was Dr Todd depressed?

Dr Nelson Lee, a psychiatrist at The Psychological Wellness Centre, said he saw Dr Todd on April 4 last year.

Dr Todd had indicated his main problem was his "struggles with stress, anxiety and depression due to work and life-related issues".

Dr Lee said Dr Todd reported suffering tremors and palpitations, though he said he hadn't noticed Dr Todd's hands trembling.

He diagnosed Dr Todd with moderate depression, with a significant component of anxiety.

He prescribed the anti-depressant Lexapro, and asked Dr Todd to return for a review three weeks later. But Dr Todd did not contact the clinic again.

Dr Lee said in a medical report: "(Dr Todd) did not feel that life had no meaning, nor were there any suicidal ideations expressed."

And Mr Lam said that Dr Todd had reasons to be upbeat - he had been offered a US$15,000 ($18,760) job in the US on June 21 last year, and had been packing to fly home in a week.

"That's unusual (for a person going to commit suicide)," Dr Lee said.

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ray_of_hope

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Re: 3.40AM his hardrive was accessed remotely!!

From the Court proceedings it is clear that, in the scheme of things, Todd was a very small fish, very junior in IME; made a team leader but basically to do logistics and not technical stuff or serious research. Not surprising, given the fact that he graduated with a PhD in 2010 and, it seems, that IME was his first job. The State seems very happy to have any number of witnesses to testify, including the writer of the FT piece, Raymond Bonner, who has been in Court observing proceedings. They even flew in the American-based computer analyst who examined the hard drive. And tomorrow we get to hear, via video conferencing, from the US-based medical examiner. The State shows that it has nothing to hide. That, in and of itself, must be very frustrating to the parents. With each passing day the parents' view point of what happened to their son continues to erode.
 

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Shane Todd Autopsy photos!!

US pathologist confirm Shane Todd was murdered! Strangled by a wire
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Bruises on his hands trying to struggle

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On his forehead indicating a fight

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Hanging on caused damaged to the front of the neck!

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Bruises on his fingers he was trying to squeeze into the wire and trying to lift it up.
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chupacabra

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Re: Shane Todd Autopsy photos!!

Don't follow much of this story..but looks like defensive wounds on his hands..
 

scroobal

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Re: Shane Todd Autopsy photos!!

He must have fought the Ah Tiong's world renowned elite intelligence unit the 888. Famed for their ability to walk on walls and fly across the room. He must have fought just as hard and hit the wire as he too flew across the room.
 

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He must have fought the Ah Tiong's world renowned elite intelligence unit the 888. Famed for their ability to walk on walls and fly across the room. He must have fought just as hard and hit the wire as he too flew across the room.

Like other countries, they don't send the good ones to sinkapore. That's why the PAP is cleaning up the mess.
 

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don't talk cock here. if this had been some 3rd world guy, or malaysian or indon or maybe evn japanese guy who commit suicide do you think the garmen would spend so much time and money for a very obvious case of suicide????? what empathy?? what about the taxpayer money which I estimate could easily run into a few million dollars. get two expert pathologists opinion could easily be a few hundred thousand dollars not counting the pay of and time wasted for hundred of police staff, witness, etc. grow up!!! if a sinkie would to committ suicide in USA do you think Uncle Sam would accord the same treatment?? I have been there and there was a case of a Chinese giuy who died in San Francisco and the inquiry was wrap up in 2 hours!!!! the parents should fark off and stop wasting our taxpayer money and damaging our reputation. go get a life yourself. obviously you have not been to USA to see taht these people are your typical white trash or pastor racist who think our garmen is incompetent. apparently they told the USA press that our court is corrupt or words to that effect a few days ago and was given a warning by the police. they should be sued for defamationand libel by huawei and us. some lousy basic research and they make it up as if top secret. you think the chinese researcher in Huawei cannot do the research themselves andhand it to some young unproven guy?? please go to Cina and you wold be shock at how much better they are i than the americans. the parents are your typical george bush/colin powell type. create conspiracy thoeries like Iraq "weapons of mass destruction fiasco". empathy my foot. sick of this circus week in and week out

Agree. Not even a British or French or German would be able to kick up this ruckuss. Only Americans like to cry mother cry father and say everything isnt their own fault. End in the end, it boomerangs back on them
 

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Re: Shane Todd Autopsy photos!!

You know why no one has an image of PRC Intelligence Agent or how one looks like? They are the only agency that use a cut-off as their main operating doctrine. Businessmen, students, chicken, you name it , they use anyone who is an ethnic chinese of any nationality. That is why you never hear of any of their agents getting captured. It is so bad that even innocent ethnic chinese now face being hired for sensitive jobs as a challenge even if they are 1st and 2nd generation in their new country. The old days are gone.



Like other countries, they don't send the good ones to sinkapore. That's why the PAP is cleaning up the mess.
 

steffychun

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Re: 3.40AM his hardrive was accessed remotely!!

From the Court proceedings it is clear that, in the scheme of things, Todd was a very small fish, very junior in IME; made a team leader but basically to do logistics and not technical stuff or serious research. Not surprising, given the fact that he graduated with a PhD in 2010 and, it seems, that IME was his first job. The State seems very happy to have any number of witnesses to testify, including the writer of the FT piece, Raymond Bonner, who has been in Court observing proceedings. They even flew in the American-based computer analyst who examined the hard drive. And tomorrow we get to hear, via video conferencing, from the US-based medical examiner. The State shows that it has nothing to hide. That, in and of itself, must be very frustrating to the parents. With each passing day the parents' view point of what happened to their son continues to erode.

why didnt he bother to get a job back home where he would never have been possibly coerced into selling state secrets?
 

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Re: Shane Todd Autopsy photos!!

ah tiong assassin also have a sense of humor, and like Shirley Temple too!

even the todd family laugh at his jokes!
 

winnipegjets

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why didnt he bother to get a job back home where he would never have been possibly coerced into selling state secrets?

If he knew IME was into this hanky panky stuff for China, he would have turned down the job. Most Americans won't betray their country.
 

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Re: 3.40AM his hardrive was accessed remotely!!

From the Court proceedings it is clear that, in the scheme of things, Todd was a very small fish, very junior in IME; made a team leader but basically to do logistics and not technical stuff or serious research. Not surprising, given the fact that he graduated with a PhD in 2010 and, it seems, that IME was his first job. The State seems very happy to have any number of witnesses to testify, including the writer of the FT piece, Raymond Bonner, who has been in Court observing proceedings. They even flew in the American-based computer analyst who examined the hard drive. And tomorrow we get to hear, via video conferencing, from the US-based medical examiner. The State shows that it has nothing to hide. That, in and of itself, must be very frustrating to the parents. With each passing day the parents' view point of what happened to their son continues to erode.



I can empathize with what the parents are going through. Same thing happened when an Indonesian student jumped to his death after attacking his professor couple of years back. Conspiracy and cover-up theories ran rampant and claims and counter-claims grew more incredulous with each day. You can't stop them, this is a stage of grief they have to go through, and others involved in the case have to endure.
 

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From the Court proceedings it is clear that, in the scheme of things, Todd was a very small fish, very junior in IME; made a team leader but basically to do logistics and not technical stuff or serious research.

That's baloney. His colleagues have already testified on the type of research he was involved in. He was the sole liaison with the US company providing the technology. So, where did you get your facts from? The PAP?

Todd wasn't up there but he was involved with Not surprising, given the fact that he graduated with a PhD in 2010 and, it seems, that IME was his first job. The State seems very happy to have any number of witnesses to testify, including the writer of the FT piece, Raymond Bonner, who has been in Court observing proceedings. They even flew in the American-based computer analyst who examined the hard drive. And tomorrow we get to hear, via video conferencing, from the US-based medical examiner. The State shows that it has nothing to hide. That, in and of itself, must be very frustrating to the parents. With each passing day the parents' view point of what happened to their son continues to erode.

So, what if this was first job? He probably knew alot more than the sinkees working in IME.
With each passing day, I see more contradictions emerge and thus make the official PAP story of suicide more like a cover-up.
 

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I can empathize with what the parents are going through. Same thing happened when an Indonesian student jumped to his death after attacking his professor couple of years back. Conspiracy and cover-up theories ran rampant and claims and counter-claims grew more incredulous with each day. You can't stop them, this is a stage of grief they have to go through, and others involved in the case have to endure.

Why do you just buy the PAP story? PAP's story that he committed suicide because of depression, that IME had no joint research with Chinese companies, the research done in IME was not sensitive or military-based. Testimonies thus far have put lots of holes in the PAP's story.


- There has been no denial that Todd was involved in the research involving technology that has dual purpose and the technology was only available in the US;
- IME and Huawei had denied any joint research. Testimony from IME researchers state that there were collaboration in testing. What were they testing?
- Todd thought IME as a 'dishonest' place;
- He had quit IME and was ready to head home with a cushy job waiting for him;
- The local pathologist can't explain marks that were found by the US pathologist;
- Majority of the people in Todd's research team are PRC; how many of them are PRC spies?
- While he has depression, there were NO suicide intentions or thoughts;
 

scroobal

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Re: 3.40AM his hardrive was accessed remotely!!

The chap is ill. He previously had depression when he was in school in the US back home and he was receiving treatment as well as medication. The parents surely must be aware of it and sadly are not taking any responsibility. There is a limit to pushing the grief and blame on others. The way the parents are treating this is that SIngapore and Singaporeans are inept, hopeless and irresponsible.

Here is the interesting thing about depression. What do you think a sufferer does if they think they cannot come out of it?

The Financial Times of London is a highly respected newspaper and very well regarded. Why did the father claim that he found the hard drive which the police fail to notice. These stories cannot go to press unless they are corroborated by their staff. That is why Raymond Bonner's story had a second journalist who works for FT. Bonner is a freelance stringer. Anyone who listened to the family would have bought it including FT.

Asians are very timid by nature when dealing with Caucasians. I have seen it so many times. Paralysis sets in when dealing with Causcasians. The mother has no respect for us or our institutions. She does not accord the basic courtesy that she expects from another fellow human being. Just because he son died she can't expect to be given this amount of leeway and tolerance.

Lets face it, the son was receiving treatment from a medical doctor in SIngapore and she was not aware of it despite their weekly skype calls. She however managed to hear all the other things that seem to fit her notion of murder.

We do not tolerate this amongst our kind but we bend over backwards for these people. We should have been more firm.



why didnt he bother to get a job back home where he would never have been possibly coerced into selling state secrets?
 

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Re: 3.40AM his hardrive was accessed remotely!!

Why do you just buy the PAP story? PAP's story that he committed suicide because of depression, that IME had no joint research with Chinese companies, the research done in IME was not sensitive or military-based. Testimonies thus far have put lots of holes in the PAP's story.


- There has been no denial that Todd was involved in the research involving technology that has dual purpose and the technology was only available in the US;
- IME and Huawei had denied any joint research. Testimony from IME researchers state that there were collaboration in testing. What were they testing?
- Todd thought IME as a 'dishonest' place;
- He had quit IME and was ready to head home with a cushy job waiting for him;
- The local pathologist can't explain marks that were found by the US pathologist;
- Majority of the people in Todd's research team are PRC; how many of them are PRC spies?
- While he has depression, there were NO suicide intentions or thoughts;


Please. This is not about PAP. I told the story of the Indonesian student because even though the circumstances were different, the reactions and the conspiracy theories and the stages of grief are identical. There are enough facts out there for sane people to draw the correct inferences.

Reinforcing the parents' line of attack will not help them come out of this. That's the first rule of psychiatry, and I am not a psychiatrist but I know from experience from others.
 

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Re: 3.40AM his hardrive was accessed remotely!!

The chap is ill. He previously had depression when he was in school in the US back home and he was receiving treatment as well as medication. The parents surely must be aware of it and sadly are not taking any responsibility. There is a limit to pushing the grief and blame on others. The way the parents are treating this is that SIngapore and Singaporeans are inept, hopeless and irresponsible.

Depression is not a death sentence. He was doing fine all along. He completed his Phd. He worked well in sinkapore for a while.
The parents have a contention ...and wants that explore to the fullest. That the PAP has refused suggest something is amiss here.

Here is the interesting thing about depression. What do you think a sufferer does if they think they cannot come out of it?
You have become the resident expert on depression? The psychiatrist stated that Todd didn't have any suicidal ideation and the depression was not that severe. If it was severe, Todd wouldn't be in contact with his family.

The Financial Times of London is a highly respected newspaper and very well regarded. Why did the father claim that he found the hard drive which the police fail to notice. These stories cannot go to press unless they are corroborated by their staff. That is why Raymond Bonner's story had a second journalist who works for FT. Bonner is a freelance stringer. Anyone who listened to the family would have bought it including FT.
So, you are telling us that the police did not ask Todd's parents to return the hard drive?

Asians are very timid by nature when dealing with Caucasians. I have seen it so many times. Paralysis sets in when dealing with Causcasians. The mother has no respect for us or our institutions. She does not accord the basic courtesy that she expects from another fellow human being. Just because he son died she can't expect to be given this amount of leeway and tolerance.
Sure, blame the parents. Tell me, why did the police rule Todd's death as suicide? Why did they NOT want to keep an open mind? Then why did the SPF asked for the hard disk back when Todd parents highlighted info they found on the hard disk to suggest that Todd could have been murdered?

Lets face it, the son was receiving treatment from a medical doctor in SIngapore and she was not aware of it despite their weekly skype calls. She however managed to hear all the other things that seem to fit her notion of murder.
Because Todd was not depressed to the point that he was incapable for sound judgment. None of Todd's colleagues or associates observed the depression.

We do not tolerate this amongst our kind but we bend over backwards for these people. We should have been more firm.
Yeah, play the patriotic angle to the tilt.
You want to be firm ...then get rid of the bunch of PRCs in IME. There are spies amongst them.
 
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