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what is the best smart way to destory a aircraft carrier???

Television

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Hello Television, I would like to learn from you why China will NEVER be a global super power?

Please share with me, I truly like to learn.

There is nothing that exist that points to that notion. Maybe you can point it to me and tell me why you are saying that China will be a Global super power? In my own opinion, It will be one of the "Global super powers" but not the only.
 
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Because there is no indication as to why, There is nothing that exist that points to that motion. Maybe you can point it to me and tell me why you are saying that it will be a Global super power?

correct me if I am wrong.

at least 1.6 billion people exist in China (undocumented, documented claims around 1.35 billion)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12427321
China has overtaken Japan as the world's second-biggest economy, news dated 14 Feb 2011.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/21/us-china-patents-idUSTRE7BK0LQ20111221
China tops U.S, Japan to become top patent filer, news dated Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:15am EST

http://www.economist.com/node/21552212
China’s military rise, news dated 7th April 2012

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Liberation_Army
PLA forces is ranked number 6, and defense spending is ranked number 2.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/09/07/us-china-economy-idINBRE8860EC20120907
China approves $157 billion infrastructure spending, dated 7 Sept 2012

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt
China owns about 1.1 Trillion USD worth of USA's PUBLIC DEBT

In economics theory, GDP = Consumption + Investments + Government Expenditures + (Exports - Imports)

China's consumption is based on 1.6 billion people population, with global FDI, and internal investments, and Government spends on infrastructures, military, etc... and the trade balance is always at surplus. Giving economist predicting an estimated 7% per year growth rate. CAGR. Even at such global economic slumps.

Right now, Europe Crisis is not over, the EURO currency to fallout or not, still a question, and USA is showing signs of unsustainable growth...

By simple mathematics, if USA is growing at a negative percentage, and China is growing at a positive rate of 7% CAGR, don't you think this is just a matter of time, their Economy will become number 1 in just a matter of years? (I'm looking at within 10 years)

With so much MONEY resources, so much HUMAN resources, so much R&D resources, so much Military resources... don't you think it's just a matter of time, China would want to flex their influence?

Can't you see that CHINA now is flexing their military might, and economic powers over Japan due to the DiaoYu Island incidents? And prior to that, with Philippines?

Can't you see that CHINA now have a lot of trade goodwill from BRICS?

Well, please tell me, are all these information pointing to China becoming a Global Super Power, or I am truly mistaken?
 

Television

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You really took your time to Google all this didnt you? My reply was edited quite some time ago. Look at my edit.

By the way, Nothing points to her being the one and only Global powerhouse, This points to her being "One of the Global power houses"

Basically everyone can be a theorist. Did they factor in what is happening today?
 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

perhaps you can study a little bit more about USA & CHINA simultaneously...

I use PPP, purchase power parity to measure the actual buying power of a country, which is more accurate.

Care to share with me, why you DON'T think China is going to be a GLOBAL SUPER POWER. Definition is clear, the number one Economy, with the Strongest Military Force, and strongest Influence?

I truly want to learn.
 

Television

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

perhaps you can study a little bit more about USA & CHINA simultaneously...

I use PPP, purchase power parity to measure the actual buying power of a country, which is more accurate.

Care to share with me, why you DON'T think China is going to be a GLOBAL SUPER POWER. Definition is clear, the number one Economy, with the Strongest Military Force, and strongest Influence?

I truly want to learn.

So now you are saying that China is the no.1 Economy with the Strongest military force? :biggrin: That is being pretty delusional right?

Don't get me wrong, Im not taking away China's title as being one of the Global Power house, But I'm only saying that she will not be the only Global power house in this World.
 
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I'm no expert, however, have shared the same curiousity as yours. Here are my take.

Assuming that the Aircraft Carrier's exact location is known, and is in oceans that are no man's land.

Assuming that the above aircraft carrier belongs to USA. Also assuming that the offensive unit is China.

The smartest way to destroy the above aircraft carrier, would be to wait for the aircraft carrier to be within range of the offensive force's aircraft.

Parameters of the offensive force's aircraft should have 1. STEALTH TECHNOLOGY, 2. HIGH MANEUVERABILITY (High Speed, faster than sound), 3. Armed with AIR to SURFACE payloads.

you-can-just-glimpse-the-pilot-in-this-shot-of-the-single-seat-j-20.jpg


If the above assumptions of, AIRCRAFT CARRIER within RANGE of Offensive Force conditions are met.

Scramble a full squadron of 12 offensive aircraft, while travelling at super sonic speeds to target, mach 2.0 top speed to reach target swift and steady, in stealth mode. (perhaps better move in Night, as this will avoid thermal imaging scanners from satellite above, and prevent detection from satellites friendly to AIRCRAFT CARRIER)

Once within 100KM range, 12 offensive aircraft to split up to 4 groups of 3 aircraft, coordinating with 4 groups to fly in from North, South, East, West of Aircraft Carrier.

Once positioned, while still at stealth mode, 12 offensive aircraft start to lock simultaneously at AIRCRAFT CARRIER, and open pod to launch payload. [At this point of time, all 12 aircraft appears in the Aircraft Carrier's RADAR, as stealth is compromised when the base pod is opened, this will trigger high alert from Aircraft Carrier Bridge, and by the time the Aircraft Carrier Captain orders for the anti missile gun to be ready for interception (1 minute time reaction)]

Once locked, all payload fires, and close pod, return to stealth mode, and return to base at mach 2.0 speed, ignoring whether payload is delivered to target.

In the mean time, when the Aircraft Carrier's captain have seen the 12 blips from his radar screen, and he ordered for anti-missile gun for interception, within that crucial 1 minute, the 12 payload would have been fired from 4 different directions....

Introducing, J-20

General characteristics
Crew: one (pilot)
Length: 21.26 m (69 ft 9 in)
Wingspan: 12.88 m (42 ft 3 in)
Height: 4.45 m (14 ft 7 in)
Wing area: 59 m2 (630 sq ft)
Empty weight: 17,000 kg (37,479 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 36,287 kg (80,000 lb) upper estimate[2]
Powerplant: 2 × WS-10G (prototype); WS-15 when J-20 is serving afterburning turbofans dry, 180 kN (40,000 lbf) with afterburner
Maximum speed: Mach 2.0 or less (DSI limit)[91]
Range: 5,500 km (3,418 mi; 2,970 nmi)
Combat range: 2,000 km (1,243 mi; 1,080 nmi)
Service ceiling: 20,000 m (65,617 ft)

That's the reason why USA always park their Aircraft Carriers on the side furthest from China, to stay as far as possible.

And that's the reason why USA dared not go to China's Territorial Sea... because this is what CHINA is capable of today.

Zhugeliang would use 1 million small fishing vessels to attack the US carriers during a very foggy night. The carriers and its support ship would launch an all out attack on this vessels. 1 night all the weapons would be drained dry and the next morning Zhu ge liang would send his attack ships.
 

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Zhugeliang would use 1 million small fishing vessels to attack the US carriers during a very foggy night. The carriers and its support ship would launch an all out attack on this vessels. 1 night all the weapons would be drained dry and the next morning Zhu ge liang would send his attack ships.

I like your Strategy. Deplete all ammunition of the enemy, and exhaust them first, before attacking.
 

wuqi256

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I like your Strategy. Deplete all ammunition of the enemy, and exhaust them first, before attacking.

Yes, better if they are unmanned civilian and just firing remote controlled fast firing cannons or torpedoes so no loss of life on board the 1 million ships. Still, hope no wars ever breaks out again.
 

singveld

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chink navy cannot beat one carrier task force, USA have like 14. They also have their dog, japan navy which alone is more powerful than chink navy.
Pls dun commit suicide by starting a war with a superior force.
 

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Singapore only need to sent in Lau Lee & the whole fleet will be neutralised! He built Singapore singlehandedly from a small deserted desert island with no plants, no animals & no human into what it is today all by himself, he can singlehandedly neutralised & destroy the whole fleet just by appearing & kong lanjiaowei only!!!!!!!!
 

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In the past, US carriers had always been able to protect itself behind an electronic/radar jamming cloak. Once the carrier group is at sea your radars are jammed/twarted and basically cannot detect where the carrier is. Then a 300 to 400 security zone is created. Carrier based aircraft will enforce and intercept anyone coming in within this 300 mile radius. However, this ability to hide itself is lost by use of satellite. Once a carrier group can be tracked, it loses that first line of defence - invisibility.
 

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In the past, US carriers had always been able to protect itself behind an electronic/radar jamming cloak. Once the carrier group is at sea your radars are jammed/twarted and basically cannot detect where the carrier is. Then a 300 to 400 security zone is created. Carrier based aircraft will enforce and intercept anyone coming in within this 300 mile radius. However, this ability to hide itself is lost by use of satellite. Once a carrier group can be tracked, it loses that first line of defence - invisibility.

Fire missile upon missle at the same time aiming at all support ships. Once the support ships are beaten, the carrier are just sitting ducks. So easy....

I doubt they can handle so many in coming missile at one time.
 

eatshitndie

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Fire missile upon missle at the same time aiming at all support ships. Once the support ships are beaten, the carrier are just sitting ducks. So easy....

I doubt they can handle so many in coming missile at one time.

the last line of defense is the phalanx ciws. perimeter ships such as the destroyer screen are equipped with the system to shoot down any incoming missile at close range.
 

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Precisely, once carrier can be tracked, that 300 mile buffer can easily be penetrated by high speed missiles. Many of these are now tracked by satellite, making them difficult to jam with traditional means. The missiles can fly in excess of Mach 3 or around 2200 mph which means that 300 mile buffer gives only 8 minutes.

Imagine a situation where a carrier is pointed into the wind at top speed to help launch aircraft engines at full power. An attack is launched with volleys of high speed missiles, followed by actual enemy aircraft and diesel electric subs parked on ocean floor (undetectible because of the churning props from the surface ships) waiting for the right moment.

So carriers are vulnerable, but only to countries with satellite capability, as well as the ability to replace these satellites (there is going to be attempt to destroy these satellites) and in situation where they have geographic advantage. Chinese are likely planning such a coastal defence. They can have huge numbers of these missiles as well as aircraft launched from land. They have a reliable satellite launching ability. Another country is Russia.

As for usefulness of carrier, they remain vital because only 2 to 3 countries can destroy a carrier group and only if the carrier group with within 1500 mile radius of their coast.
 

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Nobody in his right mind will spend $1B or more to build a carrier if it is going to be easily destroyed. No aircraft carrier has fallen to a single offensive. It requires sustained period of attacks and or engagement with superior numbers to draw out its escorts and air cover. This was proven in WWII. With satellites and monitoring of missiles, any launch would raise defences etc.

Your comments are ....simply too..... You mean no aircraft carrier has ever fallen in a single offensive...you need to read history man. Russia, US and China has already raised cluster missiles and even jamming devices. That is why they are not going to war. The losses would be too heavy.
 

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chink navy cannot beat one carrier task force, USA have like 14. They also have their dog, japan navy which alone is more powerful than chink navy.
Pls dun commit suicide by starting a war with a superior force.

And lost the Korea and Vietnam War???
 

eatshitndie

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Your comments are ....simply too..... You mean no aircraft carrier has ever fallen in a single offensive...you need to read history man. Russia, US and China has already raised cluster missiles and even jamming devices. That is why they are not going to war. The losses would be too heavy.

he's either a clown or becoming too delusional to think he knows a lot. i was cracking up when i read that. still have aches from laughs.
 

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Hello Television, I would like to learn from you why China will NEVER be a global super power?

Please share with me, I truly like to learn.

That's the problem with this imbecile television. He makes a counter claim but he has absolutely 0 logic to explain it Nothing at all no research or anything and not even a decent explaination. It's like he's acting as some type of shady fortune teller predicting the future like it's the will of heaven. Then again you cannot expect anything from an imbecile.
 
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