Png made a bumbling, inaccurate reply and immediately, his honesty and integrity was questioned.
Another one not so long ago was that Tang LH was a chinese chauvinist.
Perhaps the pappies should be given labels like assholes or pricks, labels that they can't deny unless they want to show they don't have them.
PAP members still call themselves Comrades.
With such integrity, all your posts should be disallowed.
What scroobal and myself have been alluding to is that there were core communists involved and there were human tools used as well. The totallity of the evidence shows all of these to be true. Those human tools should stop acting like victims, similar to Lim Hock Siew, and tell it like it is. They say very little about their activities and those of their peers prior to being arrested. All they hark on is the ISA. Has anyone from Operation Spectrum shown fully that not one of them was linked to Liberation Theology and its underpinnings?
But you won't win an argument by shouting me down.
Neither by your circular logic,'You're saying you are always right because the list says so, the list is right because you dictated it, and we know that you dictated it because the list says so. ..no different from saying you are right because you are always right'....we also call that , begging the question.
By the way,the onus and the burden of proof lies with the accuser not with the accused....For example,if I say you are an asshole than the burden lies with me to prove that you are one.And not for you to prove otherwise by showing your asshole.Geddit?
I declare that I m a democratic socialist.
Based on you past postings over the years, I can confidently state that if you were a young man in the 1950s, you would like many in this forum be part of the communism movement. Me included. We would not be with the local English elites in the progressive party or a towkay in the Chinese Chamber of Commerce.
I suspect some of us will be part of infamous CPM sparrow squad waiting to assasinate the likes of Kinana and Ron who would nicely qualify as running dogs.
Why you think the bold, brave and the intelligent in the University of Singapore at that time were printing Fajar and agitating for action. That group included some famous personalities such as Edwin Thumbo, the poet etc. Arthur Lim was another but because of his father, the British did not touch him.
The PAP and old man knew very well that the British was waiting to hand over independence to a party that looked after the capitalist and not to Marshall who was with workers and not to Lim Yew Hock who was corrupted.
ISD / Special Branch is not a mickey mouse outfit. 90% of the incriminating evidence is never revealed even when a confession occurs. Teo Soh Lung was shocked during the Select Committee Hearing that a recording of an internal meeting was in old man's hand. She was literally shocked. People like GD did not go to US to visit Disneyland. What pilot Ryan Goh's daughter told him in a shop in Perth was also recorded.
I won't be surprised that your dick size and my tits size are in their database.
I remember Last British Commissioner of Police in Singapore confidently stated that Lim Chin Siong was not a communist when his own men had the file containing everything.
If not,why should they need you as their spokesman?
The matter is simple.It's you and ChaoPappyPoodle whom are claiming privy to incriminating evidence against some core communists in the Operation Spectrum.Than the onus is on you two to prove that.Put the money where your mouth is and prove it.
We don't want to hear some fairy tales about how intelligence operative operates from you....because there are people here who had eaten more salt than you.Don't insult them with your obnoxious pompous patronization.
6.9 k's of sinkies: kopi, kaya toast, kueh kueh, kio kway, ktv, kpkb.
Last edited by Nice-Gook; 13-06-2012 at 04:18 AM.
You write well but you are hopeless at reading, interpreting and decrypting comments made. I will make it simple for you.
The Marxist Conspiracy is a convenient label stuck by the PAP. It is meant for the ignorant masses like you can't figure out what is going and what has been said. Tharman, a cabinet minister met Tan Wah Piow more times and even organised study sessions. The rest never even met the guy. Wah Piow, Juliet Chin and Castro were all there to help the workers and the downtrodden. They had a conscience. Wah Piow, Juliet and Castro are like many who because they are pushed to the wall, accused of things they never did etc start adopting clandestine ways or get into movement that are prohibited out of desperation. I was surprised that juliet ended up in Hubei, China with Chin Peng and CPM at their broadcasting station.
The people pulling the strings are seldom seen or tainted. Some are in the employ of the intelligence services play both sides and for instance provide them with photographs of the gullible holding guns of all places in a camp run by a worldwide proscribed organisation.
None of them are criminals and none of them have committed a crime. Many were gullible and were made use of by others. In the main the 22 people were social activists and were helping the poor, the exploited and the downtroddden. Shortly after the arrest, the PM designate GCT gave a long and unimpressive explanation for the arrests. He however could not give an iota of what exactly they did. Not even close. All he painted was a scenario of future threat. Old man got fed up as it lacked conviction that he took over the show. Do note that many were helping WP in doing their newsletter. I was not surprised that years later GCT was the one who revealed that members of the cabinet had reservations and it it was tipping point for Dhanabalan to resign.
ISD has a duty to protect the National Interest of this country. They however are not going to tell all in case they hand over their advantage. Their goals and that of old man are never the same. That is politics. The Marxist Conspiracy did reveal some hidden hands and the activation of clandestine messenger service which was previously thought to be dormant. Juliet Chin's isister was also arrested. The parties involved in 1974 have re-surfaced. Do bear in mind that many are Malaysians who are pulling the string and we can't be caught in a position where the Malaysian govt used these people as proxies.
Take your case as an example. Most of us in this forum are upset, angry and annoyed with the PAP for their one party dominance, destroying an opportunity to create a decent democracy and abusing their position and allowing their kith and kin as well as their friends to feed on state expenses. We are very clear what we need to shout about and who the arseholes are.
You on the other hand are constantly attacking WP and Sylvia Lim. Obviously you think that WP is worse than PAP. You can't even get this simple equation right. WP is not even in a position to tie its own shoelaces. I regularly take potshots at WP, SDP, NSP, etc but these are episodic or incident driven. Come GE, I am solidly behaving every party except PAP. You on the other hand keep harping on Sylvia.
I defer to you as I think you have travelled well and have taken the trouble to immerse yourselve in various cultures in a serious manner. You are also very resourceful and helpful. But somehow you keep tripping on WP. I am sure you must realise that not all of us love WP but is there little or no choice.
Last edited by scroobal; 13-06-2012 at 05:15 AM.
If you need to get on your moral high horses to make believe that you are taller
than your real life;Go ahead..since I am not competing with you for who can pee further.
Hence spare us your psycho analyzing us with the very little info we post here.The gist is
I care rat ass if you think I am intellectually challenged in understanding your pseudo
worldly wisdom of bottom less depth.Hang yourself the label of a sage if that makes you happy.
Now to the little matter of facts.
You started this thread.Why?
To tell us exactly what is already known?Nah!
You and ChaoPappyPoodle are dropping more than heavy hints that some of the detainees in the
Operation Spectrum are core communists.
When I put you on the spot to prove it;you write in so many words of mere nothings.
On the Marxist Conspiracy affair...think there was an interesting academic perspective written by a foreign academic think either fm oz r uk who provided some fresh insight...this article was attached in this forum some time bk...not sure if i still hv it but if i do i shall paste it in here...
Btw scroobal u mentioned tharman's salad days at lse...so wat is yr take on his chum yeoh a fellow economist who recently had a 'piece' done on him in ST?...oh yes small clarification on tharman's dad, i dont think he is a surgeon as such rather more a pathologist
hence he is terribly afraid that his id is exposed and he cannot entertain us.......so much so that he....
By the way, I (Scrooball) take great pains to write in a disjointed manner, full of spelling errors, missing words and in an abrasive, arrogant and bull-shitting style to create a false persona and hide my identity.
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