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    [QUOTE=fishbuff;940466[/QUOTE]

    Does this prove anything? There are just as many, if not more, ex-Buddhists, ex-Taoists, ex-non-believers, ex-Muslims, ex-prisoners....and many other 'exes' who become Christians.

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    to believe in no religion is the way.........stop being mired in daydreaming of the fictional heaven and people will wake up........


    as the Buddha said '' in truth, there are no buddhas and no teachings ''..........




    as for ex-buddhists that became christians or other religions........they're eating shit and pooping out rice.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by GOD IS MY DOG View Post
    to believe in no religion is the way.........stop being mired in daydreaming of the fictional heaven and people will wake up........

    as the Buddha said '' in truth, there are no buddhas and no teachings ''..........

    as for ex-buddhists that became christians or other religions........they're eating shit and pooping out rice.....
    If there is nothing to teach, then shut-up. Sorry...thousand apologies.....But isnt' that's true....if you got nothing to teach people, you should shut-up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psalm23 View Post
    If there is nothing to teach, then shut-up. Sorry...thousand apologies.....But isnt' that's true....if you got nothing to teach people, you should shut-up.
    yes..you have alot to teach ..like spreading stupidlity

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psalm23 View Post
    If there is nothing to teach, then shut-up. Sorry...thousand apologies.....But isnt' that's true....if you got nothing to teach people, you should shut-up.
    If you have rubbish to teach people, you should shut up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Philistine View Post
    If you have rubbish to teach people, you should shut up.
    To some people, rubbish is something very unworthy, but to some people rubbish can be great treasure. One of the wealthiest persons in China is a woman who saw trash/rubbish as treasure while others saw them as really rubbish. She imported tons and tons of rubbish - those discarded paper and cardboards from U.S. and Europe - and recycled and turned them new paper and now she owned one the biggest paper manufacturing companies in the world. So, don't underestimate the value of rubbish.

    Like the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the word of God, the Bible, very few see it as great treasure while the majority of the people see it as 'rubbish'. We are warned by Jesus not to give what is holy to the dogs and not to cast pearls to the swines so as to avoid these value pearls trample under their feet. Worse, these dogs and swines may turn and tear you down (Matthew 7:6). Sound familiar? In Philippians 3:8, it also tells us that we should consider everything loss compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing Christ Jesus, our Lord, and we must do every thing possible so that we can gain Christ.

    Even rubbish is still something - some consider it as worthless; some consider it as valuable. But when it comes to nothing, it is nothing because nothing is zero and you can add 10, 20, or 100 zeros to a zero, it is still zero.

    Jesus is in the 'business' of cycling trash, repented sinners like us, that is believers - let me emphaise 'like us, repented sinners' (and not you, so don't take offence). He can turn trash and become His treasured possession. Just like unwanted trash, if no one valued them and they cannot be recycled into any other usable things, they will be destroyed and burnt in hot-furnance. The word of God, the Bible tells us that a hot furnance that God has created to burn the trash that refused to let Him cycle into His treasured possesion is called 'Hell'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psalm23 View Post
    To some people, rubbish is something very unworthy, but to some people rubbish can be great treasure. One of the wealthiest persons in China is a woman who saw trash/rubbish as treasure while others saw them as really rubbish. She imported tons and tons of rubbish - those discarded paper and cardboards from U.S. and Europe - and recycled and turned them new paper and now she owned one the biggest paper manufacturing companies in the world. So, don't underestimate the value of rubbish.

    Like the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the word of God, the Bible, very few see it as great treasure while the majority of the people see it as 'rubbish'. We are warned by Jesus not to give what is holy to the dogs and not to cast pearls to the swines so as to avoid these value pearls trample under their feet. Worse, these dogs and swines may turn and tear you down (Matthew 7:6). Sound familiar? In Philippians 3:8, it also tells us that we should consider everything loss compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing Christ Jesus, our Lord, and we must do every thing possible so that we can gain Christ.

    Even rubbish is still something - some consider it as worthless; some consider it as valuable. But when it comes to nothing, it is nothing because nothing is zero and you can add 10, 20, or 100 zeros to a zero, it is still zero.

    Jesus is in the 'business' of cycling trash, repented sinners like us, that is believers - let me emphaise 'like us, repented sinners' (and not you, so don't take offence). He can turn trash and become His treasured possession. Just like unwanted trash, if no one valued them and they cannot be recycled into any other usable things, they will be destroyed and burnt in hot-furnance. The word of God, the Bible tells us that a hot furnance that God has created to burn the trash that refused to let Him cycle into His treasured possesion is called 'Hell'.
    So you are saying your Jebus is a rubbish man?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Philistine View Post
    So you are saying your Jebus is a rubbish man?
    He is saying that some people consider the Bible rubbish but some consider this 'rubbish' as a source of great treasures.

    He is not actually saying Jesus is rubbish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psalm23 View Post
    To some people, rubbish is something very unworthy, but to some people rubbish can be great treasure. One of the wealthiest persons in China is a woman who saw trash/rubbish as treasure while others saw them as really rubbish. She imported tons and tons of rubbish - those discarded paper and cardboards from U.S. and Europe - and recycled and turned them new paper and now she owned one the biggest paper manufacturing companies in the world. So, don't underestimate the value of rubbish.

    Like the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the word of God, the Bible, very few see it as great treasure while the majority of the people see it as 'rubbish'. We are warned by Jesus not to give what is holy to the dogs and not to cast pearls to the swines so as to avoid these value pearls trample under their feet. Worse, these dogs and swines may turn and tear you down (Matthew 7:6). Sound familiar? In Philippians 3:8, it also tells us that we should consider everything loss compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing Christ Jesus, our Lord, and we must do every thing possible so that we can gain Christ.

    Even rubbish is still something - some consider it as worthless; some consider it as valuable. But when it comes to nothing, it is nothing because nothing is zero and you can add 10, 20, or 100 zeros to a zero, it is still zero.

    Jesus is in the 'business' of cycling trash, repented sinners like us, that is believers - let me emphaise 'like us, repented sinners' (and not you, so don't take offence). He can turn trash and become His treasured possession. Just like unwanted trash, if no one valued them and they cannot be recycled into any other usable things, they will be destroyed and burnt in hot-furnance. The word of God, the Bible tells us that a hot furnance that God has created to burn the trash that refused to let Him cycle into His treasured possesion is called 'Hell'.
    ah, book of john. according to biblical historians and scholars, this book was written NOT by john but by somebody else in 96AD which give it about 70 years after the death of jesus.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_John#Authorship

    if you can write a true account of your great grandfather's deed that happened 70 years ago in the year 2012, do you think you have accuracy and would you "add extra ingredient" into it as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishbuff View Post
    ah, book of john. according to biblical historians and scholars, this book was written NOT by john but by somebody else in 96AD which give it about 70 years after the death of jesus.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_John#Authorship

    if you can write a true account of your great grandfather's deed that happened 70 years ago in the year 2012, do you think you have accuracy and would you "add extra ingredient" into it as well?
    Perhaps Stamford Raffles did not exist since he was written about nearly 200 years ago. We must live in a sad world, for none of the thousands of historical figures, from Cao Cao to Napoleon, were very accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perspective View Post
    Perhaps Stamford Raffles did not exist since he was written about nearly 200 years ago. We must live in a sad world, for none of the thousands of historical figures, from Cao Cao to Napoleon, were very accurate.
    there is a difference between history and religions. Religions state that the bible is fact and inspired by god and is infallible and cannot be doubt. But if you look at the bible from the historical view, it fell into changes, modifications, alterations, deletions addition throughout the history. forget about those stories about scribes will copy word for word without any mistakes, less a stroke will not be missed until end of times etc...

    Dont take my word for this. Please view Bart Ehrman's Misquoting jesus and ...



    Dr Francesca Stavrakopoulou, bible research scholar from University of Exeter had stated that historically, the bible is not accurate at all...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Perspective View Post
    Perhaps Stamford Raffles did not exist since he was written about nearly 200 years ago. We must live in a sad world, for none of the thousands of historical figures, from Cao Cao to Napoleon, were very accurate.
    history are written by the victors and those in power. in japan, the entire history of WWII and rape of nanking are left out intentionally from the secondary school text books as dictated by the education department and government.

    well, the usual case of pointing to an event whether it is true or false is to use alternate source of information to triangulate to the events and confirm with facts. there is no point that you can claim the bible is fact, but historically nobody have seen or heard about jesus except for jesephsus' entry. alright historically, jesus as a figure did exists but all those stories about walking on water, turning water into wine, resurrect etc... who can verify that? mary had been written out from the early scriptures due to the sexist stance back then in the old days and they dont want to see mary as a main disciple, instead they crowned peter as the main disciple.

    for more details on this, please look up on the historical fact of the Cathars.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharism
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psalm23 View Post
    If there is nothing to teach, then shut-up. Sorry...thousand apologies.....But isnt' that's true....if you got nothing to teach people, you should shut-up.


    ignorant fool.......................so-called teachings are labels given by humans.................


    just as a chair could have been called a table in the 1st place and vice versa..................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perspective View Post
    Perhaps Stamford Raffles did not exist since he was written about nearly 200 years ago. We must live in a sad world, for none of the thousands of historical figures, from Cao Cao to Napoleon, were very accurate.

    you are trying very hard to compare apples with oranges ....you are comparing a fairy tales story book full of magical story like the talking snake , staying alive in a fish stomach for 3 days ...ect to a history book ...that show us how small your brain is

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishbuff View Post
    there is a difference between history and religions. Religions state that the bible is fact and inspired by god and is infallible and cannot be doubt. But if you look at the bible from the historical view, it fell into changes, modifications, alterations, deletions addition throughout the history. forget about those stories about scribes will copy word for word without any mistakes, less a stroke will not be missed until end of times etc...

    Dont take my word for this. Please view Bart Ehrman's Misquoting jesus and ...



    Dr Francesca Stavrakopoulou, bible research scholar from University of Exeter had stated that historically, the bible is not accurate at all...


    he cant tell the different between a fiction and a non-fiction book

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psalm23 View Post
    Does this prove anything? There are just as many, if not more, ex-Buddhists, ex-Taoists, ex-non-believers, ex-Muslims, ex-prisoners....and many other 'exes' who become Christians.
    yes it does cos as you will find out if you had , these ex christians were actually evangelists and preachers and pastors and leaders of their churches!!.
    a few more that i have told you about are Joshua evans, Jerald Dirks, Bart Erhmann, Elaine Pagels etc etc

    sad if youre on that side I know but you have to search and research the truth.

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    whats even quite amazing but not surprising is that if you watch the video from 12mins on , Dan reveals that there are numerous preachers who are getting up on sunday morning to preach but they do not believe what they are preaching anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God my healer View Post
    He is saying that some people consider the Bible rubbish but some consider this 'rubbish' as a source of great treasures.

    He is not actually saying Jesus is rubbish.
    Thanks for clarifying......

    A person is a person....cannot be rubbish....but what he said can either be of value to one group but it can be rubbish to another group. To some people, relatively speaking compared to the total world population, Bible, the word of God, is a great treasure book but to myan people they just treat it as rubbish.

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