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ChenShuiBian gets black-eye also?

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This is my Chinese blog's posting.

Basically Ah Bian claimed that he had been punched or beaten by mata yesterday, and as a result court ruled that he spent a night in hospital for medical check-up for wounds he claimed to have suffered.:confused:

In view of the March 19 2004 shooting incident in which Ah Bian was "shot" with ex-VP Lu, resulting in only minor injuries to both, I will now even doubt that it was a fake incident if the news were to report that Ah Bian had been struck down by another bullet yesterday.:wink:

Even though I am aware that many Taiwanese people wish to punch and kick Ah Bian, and that an angry Taiwanese peasant had in another incident few months ago kicked Ah Bian in his butt. I don't trust this greedy crook at all.:rolleyes:



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现在即使是阿扁又再次中枪倒地,我也还是会怀疑是他自己搞鬼的。虽然我知道有很多[FONT=楷体_GB2312]人[/FONT]想揙他,但是实在难忘记319枪击事件了。难道阿扁不会自己弄伤自己吗? :-)



扁控移送法警打人 台大驗傷


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特偵組對陳水扁聲請羈押,不過羈押庭開沒多久,陳水扁就拋出了震撼彈, 他說在進入特偵組的車輛時,有法警打他,因此要求到台大醫院驗傷,經過協調,陳水扁在晚間10點45分,離開法院,前往台大驗傷,而他的隨扈是跟著去!
媒體一陣慌亂,因為這時聲押庭還在開,而且才剛開始不道半個鐘頭呢!賴清德所帶下來的訊息,讓很多人嚇了一大跳!陳水扁指控法警打他,這一句話讓庭上的所有人都嚇了一大跳!法官當庭調閱影帶,釐清真相,還忙著溝通是要請醫生到庭驗傷,還是要去臺大醫院
這一溝通就是一個多小時,最後由於陳水扁堅持要去臺大醫院驗傷,聲押庭不得不暫停。10點45分陳水扁要去臺大醫院了。第一台車是陳水扁隨扈的車子,第二台台北地院的車子,陳水扁就坐在裡頭。
同樣穿著西裝,眼睛無神的看著前方,手銬就在陳水扁的雙手上!浩浩蕩蕩的五台車,就這麼前往臺大醫院。由於還沒判刑確定,隨扈們還是亦步亦趨的保護老闆。
陳水扁前腳離開法院,審判長劉煌基也跟著走,是要一塊去驗傷嗎!不說就是不說,沒辦法只要多講一句就會被罵,不是偵查不公開嗎?10點51分,陳水扁到達臺大醫院,同樣不說話,遇到來聲援的民進黨立委,也沒打招呼!
這時的陳水扁,沒了口若懸河的口才,也沒了以往的氣勢,剩下的只是我被打,有輕微腦震盪,而整個送醫過程,便衣員警全程蒐證錄影,就怕再被陳水扁說送醫驗傷的過程,有法警打我!











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扁依程序檢查不禮遇 囚忠三舍 代號2630


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前總統陳水扁今 天(12號)清晨7點零5分,確定收押禁見,隨即上午8點10分送進位於土城的台北看守所,8點29分送抵台北看守所,陳水扁一下車,神情顯得相當疲憊落 寞,陳水扁入監後代號是2630、住忠三舍。外界好奇,陳水扁入監還會不會享有卸任元首禮遇,看守所表示,依照一切程序辦理,檢查肛門、下體等程序,至於 陳前總統在看守所的維安工作,會由看守所負責,特勤隨扈只能待在戒護區外。 (林麗玉報導),
前總統陳水扁因為涉及洗錢案、國務機要費案 等弊案,清晨7點零5分確定收押禁見,上午8點29分隨即送進台北看守所羈押,而陳前總統乘坐的偵防車,是直接開進看守所的戒護區門口,陳水扁前總統一下 車,神情顯得相當疲憊落寞,外界質疑,陳前總統住進台北看守所之後,是否還享有卸任元首的特勤維安,法務部次長黃世銘表示,陳前總統的維安工作,將由台北 看守所負責,國安局人員,只
能進到看守所的行政區內,除非有緊急必要情形進入戒護區,也要看守所同意。
陳前總統會住進雙人房、還是單人房,法務部表示,會尊重陳前總統,至於陳前總統送進看守所,所方表示,不會因為是卸任元首的緣故有所禮遇,還是會依照程序規定辦理,要求他脫光衣服、蹲下身咳嗽檢查肛門、下體等,至於餐食也會比照一般收容人。



 
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台废弃军营成涂鸦客天堂 遭喷“国贼阿扁”

联勤台北联保厂废弃营区指挥部大楼上标语牌,遭人以油漆写上“国贼阿扁”。

台湾《苹果日报》20日报道,位于台北市吴兴街的联勤台北联保厂废弃营区指挥部大楼上的标语牌,遭人以油漆写上“国贼阿扁”四个大字,台当局“国防部”昨晚获知后,立即派人以白色喷漆涂抹。

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读者爆料指出,近日经过此废弃营区时发现“国贼阿扁”四个大字,让他吓一跳。营区对面的停车管理员透露,“国贼阿扁”最近才出现,没超过一周。至于此废弃营区的标语牌被涂漆前的原文为何,多名军中人士受访时表示记不得。

台军方警告涂鸦客勿侵入


由于营区围墙上有许多涂鸦,就连营区内废置营舍的墙壁上,也有涂鸦客的创作,由此可以确定,此营区早已成为涂鸦客的创作天堂。针对此事,台“军备局”特别在营区门口喷上公告,严正警告,将对非法侵入者提出告诉。

台当局“国防部”官员强调,此营区在2005年12月已交由“国有财产局”处分,但在未处分前,仍由“国防部”管理,未来会派人加强巡逻。
 

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therefore, lesson from here. in politics, people would say what they want to get into power. once in power, they then do what they want. from history, pap is like that. sdp would also be like that. all the same cloth.
 

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therefore, lesson from here. in politics, people would say what they want to get into power. once in power, they then do what they want. from history, pap is like that. sdp would also be like that. all the same cloth.
That's why it's important to have opposition MPs in parliament to make sure that the government is accountable and transparent and the balance of power is reasonable.
 

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Ah Bian didn't spend the night in hospital.
He was examined and then brought back to the court, whereby it was ascertained that he should be detained.
Btw, I heard from the Taiwan news reports that he didn't eat yesterday.
The food actually looks quite good, they showed some pictures of it on the Taiwan news.
 

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Ah Bian didn't spend the night in hospital.
He was examined and then brought back to the court, whereby it was ascertained that he should be detained.
Btw, I heard from the Taiwan news reports that he didn't eat yesterday.
The food actually looks quite good, they showed some pictures of it on the Taiwan news.


Yes! That's right it just became clear in the news now regarding these details.

:wink:

I based on initial reports of the early proceedings that Ah Bian applied to go hospital 台大医院 and prosecution was also inclined to have him spent a night there. However, in the end the doctors gave him treatment including IV and sent him off back to court with MC to excuse handcuffs because the medical report said right shoulder sprinted.
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3 judges plus 2 lawyer plus 4 prosecutors took him to hospital 台大医院! and around midnight back to court with him, and restarted proceedings for his remand order until dawn! Will famiLEE LEEgime judges work so hard? :p:p

http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/081113/2/19d80.html

聲押攻防》扁說「手痛無法陳述」 庭內全愣住

<label> </label> 更新日期:<q>2008/11/13 07:40</q> 本報記者蕭白雪、蘇位榮
「特偵組法警從背後用力拍打、不讓我高舉雙手。」陳水扁在 聲押庭裡說的第一句話是向法官告狀法警打他,結果讓法官、律師、檢察官、維安人員及媒體記者累到人仰馬翻,度過扁案最漫長的一夜。特偵組十一日下午偵訊完 陳水扁,決定向法院聲請羈押禁見。下午四點卅八分將陳水扁押抵台北地院,值班的合議庭審判長劉煌基、受命法官葉力旗及陪席法官劉秀君閱卷後,晚間八點召開 聲押庭。扁提出醫師名單檢察官先陳述聲押理由,輪到陳水扁發言,開口就指責法警打他,按著右胸及肩膀、表情痛苦地說「現在手、胸很痛,沒辦法陳述」,法庭 內的人全愣住。檢察官林←慧馬上站起來主張釐清責任,建議合議庭召集陳水扁信任的醫師或家屬到法院了解扁的身體狀況。陳水扁提出韓毅雄父子等多位醫師名 單,但法院聯絡不上。致電趙建銘問診檢方認為「沒打人就是沒打人」,主動提出可請扁的女婿趙建銘協助檢查。但法院聯絡後,趙建銘人在台南,在電話中「問診」後,提議應送醫院照X光進一步檢查。為了讓檢辯彼此都沒話說,合議庭裁示,三位法官、四位蒞庭檢察官和兩位律師一起陪陳水扁到台大醫 院檢查。晚間十點五十分,一行人加上法警、國安人員共十輛車赴台大醫院,聲押庭中斷,聲援陳水扁的民進黨立委也趕赴醫院。法院人員罵奧步檢察官越方如擔心 「法警打阿扁」會誤傳招來群眾事件,趕緊回報特偵組。檢察官朱朝亮跟特偵組主任陳雲南聽了相當震驚,一方面調閱偵查庭外的錄影帶,一方面找電視台記者詢問 有沒有拍到扁步出特偵組的鏡頭,派人送合議庭勘驗,確認法警未對扁施暴。對於陳水扁的指控,法院人員有人忍不住大罵「豎仔」,還有人諷刺「原來還有這種奧 步」。被指控施暴的法警忍不住喊冤:「保護他都來不及了,怎麼敢對他施暴?」醫生建議不戴銬經過台大醫院內外科、家醫科及骨科會診一個半小時,醫生在診斷 證明書寫下「右肩扭傷」,認為「精神狀況還好」,但建議不適合戴手銬。檢方鬆了一口氣,合議庭決定讓陳水扁回法院繼續開聲押庭。為了陳水扁一句「法警打 我」,法院虛耗了五個小時,完全沒有進入聲押庭的實體審理;而且陳水扁到台大醫院驗傷的費用,還要由法院埋單。扁一講兩個小時從醫院回到法院,陳水扁從喊 「手痛得不得了」,轉而就檢方聲押書的內容,滔滔不絕答辯兩個多小時。他說沒有貪汙,家中錢的事向來都是妻子吳淑珍在 管。扁「開講」到淩晨三點,據形容,檢審辯都兵疲馬困,合議庭宣布休息十分鐘。法院外大夥也是累癱了,負責維安的警察、國安人員各自找「一席之地」打盹。 到法院聲援陳水扁的民進黨立委,也疲累地或坐或躺在法庭外的沙發上睡覺,民進黨總召柯建銘甚至累到打呼聲一陣一陣。訊後吃飯糰豆漿合議庭第三度開庭,檢辯 就是否羈押陳水扁激烈攻防。律師團表示,陳水扁是卸任總統,不可能逃亡,且其他共犯都已在押,不可能串供。檢察官反擊指陳水扁犯重罪,有變造證據及勾串共 犯的事證,應該收押。清晨五點半庭訊終於結束,法官退庭評議,審判長要求法警幫扁準備早餐。庭訊後扁的心情顯得較輕鬆,吃了飯糰、豆漿;律師告訴他外面有 很多支持者,扁擠出一絲笑容,庭外的民進黨立委也在一張紙上簽名幫阿扁加油打氣。裁定收押扁變臉七點零六分,合議庭法官回到法庭宣示:「被告陳水扁收押禁 見!」阿扁臉色頓時鐵青,在法庭內打了通電話給吳淑珍,說「我無法度回去了」,要吳淑珍保重,注意自己的身體血壓。上午八點十分,特偵組的偵防車載著陳水 扁,由國安特勤車隊戒護開到台北看守所,結束全國、甚至國際都關注的漫長一夜。
 

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ChenShuiBian not eating in jail, only drinking so far.


收押禁见 can meet with lawyer ?? That is "remand order with no privilege of visit", normally meaning to prevent perjury and collusion among witnesses and defendants to cook up a set of fake testimonies.

If lawyers are allowed to visit in these case there is no meaning any more, because lawyers can relay the messages between defendants and witnesses & similarly cook up the perjury testimonies indirectly.

Is Ah Bian given any special treatments?

http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/081113/5/19dp9.html

扁委任律師:扁提十點禁食理由

<label> </label> 更新日期:<q>2008/11/13 12:52</q>
(中央社記者黃旭昇台北縣十三日電)前總統陳水扁的委任律師鄭文龍今天到台北看守所探視遭羈押的陳水扁。鄭文龍表示,他勸導已數餐沒有進食的陳水扁,要進食保持體力應付訴訟,但陳水扁提出十點禁食理由。
鄭文龍上午到台北看守所探視陳水扁,瞭解他在所內的飲食與起居,轉達民主進步黨中央以及前副總統呂秀蓮對陳水扁遭羈押的關心與聲援。
對於外界關心陳水扁是否在所內絕食,鄭文龍在進入看守所之前表示,陳水扁曾經對他提及絕食的念頭,但是,他提出勸告「司法訴訟是長期抗戰,要保持好的體力,沒有必要絕食。」
鄭文龍隨後進入看守所的偵訊室探視陳水扁,並且關心他的身體狀況,勸告陳水扁要進食。不過,除了喝水,陳水扁仍然禁食,甚至連台大醫院開給他的右肩傷藥也沒有吃。
鄭 文龍在探視完畢後轉述陳水扁所提出的十點禁食理由為:哀司法已死、悼民主退步、甘為台灣人民坐黑牢、願為台灣國犧牲生命,以及「反共產、反威權、反獨 裁」,「要主權、要自由、要民主」,「顧台灣、拼中國」,「台灣中國、一邊一國」,「起來啊,撩落去(台語)」,「別放棄、咱一定會成功(台語)」。
鄭文龍表示,經過一夜休息,陳水扁的精神狀況不錯,所方也為他量血壓,高血壓150、低血壓90,比平常的血壓略高。會談時,言語與精神都很好。陳水扁也要律師轉達,請妻子吳淑珍要保重。
鄭文龍表示,由於吳淑珍是另案被告,所以,他會自我設限不會與吳淑珍討論陳水扁的案情,不過,受到院方委託,他會將逮捕狀與押票轉達給吳淑珍。
他說,基於受委託律師的職責與人道,當事人的人身自由受限制,他也有義務將當事人身體狀況轉達給吳淑珍知道。971113
 
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A few neutral words for Ah Bian, he actually demonstrated strong fighting spirit and strength facing incredible amount of adversity. Really showed that he is a politician who had fought from the ground to power with experience to face harsh fighting condition. He fought for the entire night 22 hrs and still don't want to eat. I don't think old dog thief Lee Kuan Yew is half this type of material.

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Lee Deng Hui the traitor president of KMT, if I were MaYingJiu you will be the one to get liquidated first before Ah Bian! Talkcock now? You can be the next!

劉泰英 in the corruption scandal of 新瑞都案 is a money handler of Lee Deng Hui the traitor president, similar role as Ah Bian's cronies who are now arrested in jail. Bloody Lee Deng Hui's wife shipped 45 suitcases of US Dollar CASH to USA when the presidency of KMT was lost to Ah Bian. This is a MAJOR MAJOR corruption scandal that fucking traitor Lee Deng Hui is supposed to be convicted and imprisoned.

MaYingJiu still doing nothing about it. USA custom stopped at California airport the 45 suitcases of CASH citing illegal under USA law that undeclared cash was attempted to be shipped through custom. The huge amount of cash in billions later quietly returned to Lee Deng Hui's wife.
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As if nothing had happened!

Bastards!


http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/081113/2/19d8b.html

李登輝:自己做錯 不要怪全世界

<label> </label> 更新日期:<q>2008/11/13 07:40</q> 記者羅建旺/宜蘭縣報導
前總統李登輝昨天說,陳水扁不要老講政治話,那有政治迫害,自己做錯,不要怪罪全世界;他認為司法很認真,檢察官起碼做了多少該做的事。
李登輝昨天到宜蘭縣參觀有機農業,針對扁案,他本不願多談,認為「政治歸政治、司法歸司法」。後因記者接著追問「陳水扁聲稱被羈押是政治迫害、是被冤枉的」、「檢察官偵辦此案是否有魄力?」李才回應。
李登輝說,這是伊的代誌(陳水扁的事),自己做錯,是非要弄清楚,不要怪罪全世界,不要全講政治話!那有什麼冤枉的!「我看司法很認真」,「還有儘量不要冤枉人,對不對?」檢察官偵辦此案,「起碼做了多少該做的事。」





扁密帳/扁「烏賊」牽拖 老李駁斥隨扈人頭說

<label> </label> 更新日期:<q>2008/10/17 13:24</q> 社會中心/綜合報導
<table class="left" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr><td><label> </label></td></tr> </tbody></table>陳前總統在8月14日澄清海外洗錢的記者會上,指出新瑞都案李前總統也透過兩名隨扈李忠仁、陳國勝匯了10多億元到海外,聽在李前總統耳裡實在刺耳,不但多次反駁,16日又再發聲明稿澄清。
8月14日的記者會上,陳前總統不把海外存款說明白,還硬是把李前總統也都牽拖進來。陳水扁當時表示,「查新瑞都案李先生也利用人頭帳戶匯了10億左右到國外。」
阿扁說的人頭,外傳就是李前總統的兩個隨扈李忠仁還有陳國勝,李忠仁是49年次,憲兵特勤147期,早在民國73年就退役,陳國勝54年次,憲兵特勤182期,在民國78年退役。外傳特偵組又開始調查新瑞都案,要查對的對象除了有李前總統,還有這兩名隨扈。
9月6日,李前總統表示,「2002年2月左右,我生病的時候在榮總,他拿名單出來說這兩個人是我拿來當人頭的隨扈,我就不知道什麼人頭啊!我就叫人家去查,結果查出來是他的人。」
當時李前總統馬上聎出來否認,沒想到事隔一個多月,16日扁辦又再發新聞稿說,2003年檢調偵辦「新瑞都」案時,前「中華開發」董事長劉泰英在偵訊筆錄中已清楚交代陳國勝與李忠仁兩人為李前總統的人頭,兩人所使用的帳戶為李前總統所有。
這番話聽在李前總統耳裡更不舒服,馬上又發新聞稿澄清說陳國勝和李忠仁不是我的隨扈,希望錯誤的報導能夠加以澄清,究竟這消失的兩人是誰的人頭?光聽兩位前總統的口水戰,似乎沒有真相大白的一天。



http://udn.com/NEWS/SOCIETY/SOC6/4363444.shtml

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="3" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td width="76%">新瑞都案 劉泰英改判5年10月
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">纏 訟多年的新瑞都弊案,台灣高等法院上午2審宣判,國民黨前投管會主委劉泰英,確定要入獄服刑。劉泰英一審遭判刑8年,高院雖減刑為5年10個月,然因劉泰 英被控的背信、公司法和稅捐稽徵法等3罪,為2審定讞案件,已不能再上訴,全案將由執行檢察官,針對確定的3罪聲請法院定執行刑。
之前最高檢為防範涉及重大經濟案件的被告潛逃,特別以「特執字」案發函台北地檢署,提醒審理相關案件的法院注意,其中,劉泰英也入榜。
台北地院是於95年6月間審結新瑞都案,認為劉泰英侵占前總統李登輝及國民黨的政治獻金,另挪用中華開發公款蒐購委託書,共被判刑8年。劉泰英因為轟動一時的新瑞都弊案受到調查,結果意外查出他另涉其他不法,至於劉泰英涉及的新瑞都案本身,反而獲判無罪。
全案經高院審理後,合議庭認定中華開發前董事長劉泰英,利用辦理秘密金援外交等職務之便,私吞國民黨政治獻金3千餘萬元,另以中華開發公款收購股東妥託書之便涉及逃稅,依背信等罪,合併判處5年10月徒刑。
雖然劉泰英所涉的案件,刑度大幅減輕,但他涉及的公司法、逃漏稅及刑法背信罪,為2審定讞案件,其中劉泰英被控背信罪部分,上午遭判刑1年10月,由於無 法緩刑或易科罰金,鐵定要入獄服刑,至於到底要服刑多少,將由台北地檢署執行科檢察官,針對定讞的案件,聲請法院定執行刑。

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samurai1110

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Aiyah ... an arsehole is still an arsehole no matter what!
Just look at his face and the way he smiles and combs his hair .... typical arsehole look.
 

samurai1110

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Yes lock him and his whole bloody clan up forever. If he can be President of Taiwan then all at Changi Jail can be also. Just need to apply for citizenship.
Actually people there deserve to have him. Why mainland China even bother to want them back is a wonder.
 

uncleyap

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http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/081116/1/19j8h.html

扁禁食吐酸水 北所最快今強制就醫

<label> </label> 更新日期:<q>2008/11/16 10:35</q>
陳 水扁前總統被收押,住進台北開守所今天(16號)已經是第五天,不過陳前總統依舊禁食抗議,而昨天(15號)北所表示,儘管陳前總統血壓還算正常,不過有 出現吐酸水、噁心的反應,為了避免持續禁食,身體無法負荷,台北開守所表示,不排除強制施打營養針,並且強制送到鄰近的亞東醫院就醫,最快今天就可能會將 陳前總統強制送醫。
至於今天(16號)上午台北開守所周邊,相當平靜,還沒有挺扁民眾聚集,不過已經有中南部的支持群眾,已經揚言要在中午過後,前往北所抗議。警方也先架起拒馬,以免意外發生。



http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/081115/2/19hmi.html



施明德:沒人會為扁「撩落去」

<label> </label> 更新日期:<q>2008/11/15 07:30</q> 記者羅曉荷/台北報導
曾無限期絕食的前民進黨主席施明德昨天表示,絕食是政治犯的特權,扁犯的卻是貪汙罪,不論大錢小錢都貪,還一直講台灣國,「你(扁)到底在說什麼?」
施明德說,扁若是政治犯,國際人權組織早就出來聲援了,CNN也沒把扁當成良心犯,因此各界不必緊張,人民都看得很清楚,不會有人為了扁「撩落去」,也不會因扁發生暴動。
不過,施明德認為,社會應該允許挺扁的人發洩情緒,也要承認扁有禁食的權利,不必揶揄嘲笑;但他呼籲扁停止禁食,扁應該做的第一件事,是為自己的貪腐墮落向人民悔罪;另外就是轉為汙點證人,把他掌握藍營人士的貪腐證據「七十五件未爆彈」全部引爆,請馬英九及特偵組偵辦。這些資料拿出來以前,不宜談特赦阿扁。
施明德說,絕食看來是飢餓狀態的延續,其實有嚴謹的哲學基礎,絕食者一要有政治目的或理念,例如為了民主人權絕食,二要斷念,是徹底斷絕吃的念頭。這是在沒辦法的情形下,以自己身體當成戰鬥武器。扁並不是為了理念,連扁自己也不敢說在「絕食」,只能算禁食。
施明德並說,他不是世界上被關最久的政治犯,但他是世界上絕食最久(四年七個月)、被插鼻胃管次數最多(三千零四十次)的人。以前三總醫師裴馰一直叫他去申請金氏世界紀錄
有醫師說,絕食兩三個星期是極限,施明德駁斥「胡說八道」,人的心理會影響生理,只要有信念、夠堅強並維持平靜心情,絕食者可以撐很久。
施 明德說,長期絕食會大量落髮,視力也變差,他絕食廿天後就要戴老花眼鏡;被灌食後,頭髮又長出來,視力也變好。那些年就一直在「視力變好、視力變差 」的反覆循環中。但他六十幾歲仍滿頭黑髮,也不必戴老花眼鏡,他認為是絕食讓他遠離農藥和化學添加物, 絕食對他的健康並沒有不良影響。

这是老前辈;老行家的经验之谈。绝对权威。后辈应当注意,多多学习!
阿扁当年在“美丽岛事件”的世代是施明德前辈这帮“党外”人士的辩护律师。是当年的老战友。在“红衫军-反贪倒扁”的年头却变成彻底的对立。令本人感叹。
 

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A few neutral words for Ah Bian, he actually demonstrated strong fighting spirit and strength facing incredible amount of adversity. Really showed that he is a politician who had fought from the ground to power with experience to face harsh fighting condition. He fought for the entire night 22 hrs and still don't want to eat. I don't think old dog thief Lee Kuan Yew is half this type of material.

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agree.
I can admire a man even though he might be crooked. Ah Bian is a poor man made good, rose to become the most powerful man in ROC before things came crashing down again.

The man is a fighter, mentally very strong, resilient, fought back from losing situations previously. never gave up. ( I don't think he will give up now too, evidences against him overwhelming or not, after all that he done - there's no way back. I do wonder if he ever tried to make a deal with KMT and Ma Ying Jeou to let him off in return for DPP dirty dealings ( sure there's plenty )

This man won 3 of the biggest elections in Taiwan History ( which he should have lost ) Maybe his luck has finally ran out or his greatest escape has yet to come.
 

uncleyap

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Absolutely.


Ah Bian is one such fighter who can be used as best example to show the meaning of survival. 绝地求胜。He was going to fucking lose his re-election already, and fucking last minute, put a bloody bullet in his own tummy and viola! Won the fucking election the next day. Dirty but quite incredible fight.

Let see how he go this time with Hunger-Strike.:rolleyes:

反败为胜 is his best trick that is something that you would have to acknowledge him.
 

samurai1110

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From description given he should not have been born a human being. He should have been born a fighting cock instead then perhaps his talent will be appreciated .... especially after he dies fighting and then cooked in curry!
 

jw5

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Absolutely.


Ah Bian is one such fighter who can be used as best example to show the meaning of survival. 绝地求胜。He was going to fucking lose his re-election already, and fucking last minute, put a bloody bullet in his own tummy and viola! Won the fucking election the next day. Dirty but quite incredible fight.

Let see how he go this time with Hunger-Strike.:rolleyes:

反败为胜 is his best trick that is something that you would have to acknowledge him.
uncle & sideswipe
If you say you respect someone like Ah Bian as a figher and survivor, how do you feel about someone like Shi Mingde?
I despise the former, but respect the latter, even though I may not like or agree with either of them.
 
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