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Profitability of IRs in doubt: Citi analyst

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</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top width=452 colSpan=2>Published September 12, 2009
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</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top width=452 colSpan=2>Profitability of IRs in doubt: Citi analyst
To achieve US$1.56 billion in revenue each, both will have to attract a combined total of 31 million visitors annually

By ARTHUR SIM
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CAN the integrated resorts count on Singaporeans to gamble enough to make them profitable? Citi has doubts.

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The $100 entrance fee is a sticking point as it could prevent both casinos from developing strong, recurring local mass market clients</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>In a report on the prospects of Las Vegas Sands (LVS), which owns Marina Bay Sands (MBS) here, Citi said that assuming MBS contributes 20 per cent of LVS's total Ebitdar in its first full year, every eligible Singaporean will have to go to the casino five times a year and spend more then the average visitor to Macau.
Every visitor to Singapore will also have to visit once a year.
'We liken the current sentiment towards the integrated resort to the Macau gaming boom in 2006/07 and urge investors to not be left holding this parcel when the music stops,' added Citi analyst Anil Daswani.
Mr Daswani acknowledges that his forecast of 20 per cent Ebitdar from LVS's Singapore operations is about 30 per cent below consensus. But he also added: 'If current market estimates are believed, then the Marina Bay Sands will be the most profitable casino in the world in its first full year of operations despite Singapore being a fledgling gaming market.'
Singapore is an untested market as far as gaming goes. Whether Singapore leans towards the Las Vegas model (which counts on non-gaming revenue) or the Macau model (which relies on VIP gamers), will have a significant impact on revenue generators here, and ultimately, the success of the IRs.
Forecasts for gaming revenue at the IRs so far range between US$1-2 billion in the first year.
Based on Citi's analysis, to achieve US$1.56 billion in revenue each, both IRs will have to attract a combined total of 31 million visitors annually.
This implies that 3.2 million eligible Singaporeans (over 21 years) will have to visit either casino a total of five times. An additional 1.4 million visitors from Johor will have to visit either casino twice a year and 12.2 million tourists will have gone at least once with everybody betting and losing at least US$100.
However, there are downside risks to this projection.
Citi highlights that the US$100 discretionary spending is almost twice that typically spent at Genting Malaysia's casino (US$53) and higher than the average spending at LVS's Venetian Macau (US$84). 'This does not include the additional $100 entry levy that each Singaporean must pay when they enter the casino,' added Mr Daswani.
He also said that while the market is expecting Singapore IRs to achieve Net Wins Per Table in line with those achieved in Macau, 'we cannot justify these assumptions just as we cannot believe that Singapore in its first full year of operations will equate to 30-40 per cent of the market size of Macau in terms of gaming revenue or 70 per cent plus of the entire Las Vegas Strip'.
It is not just gaming that is at risk. Citi estimates that room rates at MBS will be around US$143 with occupancy at 78 per cent. However, it noted that there will be 18 per cent of new hotel room supply added to Singapore's total hotel room supply next year.
But its the $100 entrance fee that is a sticking point as it could prevent both casinos from developing strong and recurring local mass market customers. 'In Melbourne and Macau, a key dynamic of each market is that the local Australians and Chinese dominate their respective mass market division at the casinos. If Singapore wants more mass market type casinos to succeed, they will have to successfully attract the locals to gamble regularly,' said Mr Daswani.
At MBS, Citi expects 51 per cent of total gaming revenue to come from the mass market vs 42 per cent at Venetian Macau.
While Citi has focused on many downside risks, others have been more optimistic.
In a report last month, CIMB estimated that Singapore could have a casino market worth $5.1 billion.
Accepting that predicting market size is 'still hazy', CIMB nevertheless used a ratio of casino revenues-to-legal gambling market in Malaysia to gauge the relative market size of the casino market versus the non-casino gambling market. Applying this ratio to Singapore, and cognisant that this could underestimate the viable casino market, CIMB found that in 2008, Singapore's tax authorities collected $1.78 billion of taxes from gaming activities. Assuming a 20 per cent tax rate, the legal gaming market in Singapore is estimated to be about $8.9 billion, it said.
CIMB also pointed out that a recent study estimated that 58 per cent of the population in Singapore are gamblers and each gambled up to almost $3,300 per person. 'These data points support our estimation of a $9 billion gaming market size to tap', it concluded.

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xebay11

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They will have to lift the $100 entrance fee for Singaporeans to smell anything close to those attendance figures.
 

Watchman

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Singaporeans have already boycotted the place !
They can count on government sponsorship gambling and A-Star civil servants .
Or FTs .
 

besotted

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Depend, if fuck type service attitude, the cannot make it

But if good attitude like Pinoy, PRC and Burmese floor staff, all should be okay

Managers can be Singaporean with some leadership, but floor staff must be happy - not the complain complain type
 

halsey02

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Singaporeans have already boycotted the place !
They can count on government sponsorship gambling and A-Star civil servants .
Or FTs .

Count on me, SINgapore pools...!..we donate to it everyday, from scratch cards to racing cars bet!...what more do you one?:biggrin:
 

takcheksian

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In this bad economy and with such high costs,

which Lesser Mortal oo lui to gamble?

GCT think $600,000 is peanut, he gamble lah! Give back to Singapore what he stole legally from us lah!

Chow ang moh kau and all those FT so wonderful, so gamble also lah! Since ang moh kau twa kwei poon ti lang (red hair dog better than locals), call the chow ang moh kau go and gamble lah!

Singaporeans have already boycotted the place !
They can count on government sponsorship gambling and A-Star civil servants .
Or FTs .
 

Wang Ye

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IR was always a lousy idea. It is nothing more than a quick fix solution. We are all so screwed... I really hope that I am wrong thought.
 

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As long as I am around, alive and kicking, I will never let the 2 Casino failed on me.

My bloody face is more important than the 2 Casino. If the 2 casino cannot make it, I will be disgraced and I dont know where to hide my face.

I am even prepared to throw in all you Singaporeans CPF money into the 2 Casino to made them stay afloat. Since you all Sinkies are not able to take your CPF money anymore as I have come out plans that make it even more tougher for you to withdrawn your CPF money out when you reached 60 years old.

I have done it before with you all Sinkies CPF money on SuZhou in China, I will confirm do it again in these 2 casino. Just wait and see!
 

Watchman

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IR was always a lousy idea. It is nothing more than a quick fix solution. We are all so screwed... I really hope that I am wrong thought.

Casinos are like in the 70s . 3 decades too late .
Now is the age of Nilism, since everyone just work and go home being so poor and spend so little.
 

Cestbon

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$100/entry will deter 70% poppulation. Same as Singapore Flyer just $30/person after running for 6 month no more visitor. Many visitor are pay by corporate and some as as gift. Only less than 20% are paying visitor in Singapore Flyer.
 

Watchman

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$100/entry will deter 70% poppulation. Same as Singapore Flyer just $30/person after running for 6 month no more visitor. Many visitor are pay by corporate and some as as gift. Only less than 20% are paying visitor in Singapore Flyer.

In the end the are begging people to support and giving corporate passes almost free . Or government tied-in! They can always ask STB for funding !
 

Watchman

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Somehow or rather they always manage to bail themselves out when their pea-brain scholars ideas failed !
 

longbow

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zGiven the sensitive nature of casinos, this is not some idea of scholars but came directly from MM himself. So dont pray pray ok

Somehow or rather they always manage to bail themselves out when their pea-brain scholars ideas failed !
 

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As long as I am around, alive and kicking, I will never let the 2 Casino failed on me.

My bloody face is more important than the 2 Casino. If the 2 casino cannot make it, I will be disgraced and I dont know where to hide my face.

I am even prepared to throw in all you Singaporeans CPF money into the 2 Casino to made them stay afloat. Since you all Sinkies are not able to take your CPF money anymore as I have come out plans that make it even more tougher for you to withdrawn your CPF money out when you reached 60 years old.

I have done it before with you all Sinkies CPF money on SuZhou in China, I will confirm do it again in these 2 casino. Just wait and see!

Look like IR is this old man's last stake in SG...he needs fast money to cover up the losses by his daughter-in-law.
 

pocoyo

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Anything that is built on Greed and Self-serving are shortsighted and would not last long.

It's very sad to see a Gahment which does everything for the purpose of its own benefits only.
 

cooleo

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Pay $100 just to go in just to have a chance at losing my money to them?!

Dream on u fools! The fairer tables at Genting and Macau seem like a better bet! Not to mention spending the $100 on some authentic Portuguese tarts which is more worthwhile.

Will u pay $100 just to have a chance to lose money to SG casinos? Any takers? :rolleyes:
 

Ramseth

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Will u pay $100 just to have a chance to lose money to SG casinos? Any takers? :rolleyes:

I have this feeling the the S$100 entry fee is going to make our new casinos very spacious and lighten the workloads of the dealers.
 

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Singapore is an untested market as far as gaming goes. ......

CIMB also pointed out that a recent study estimated that 58 per cent of the population in Singapore are gamblers and each gambled up to almost $3,300 per person. 'These data points support our estimation of a $9 billion gaming market size to tap', it concluded. QUOTE]

Contradictory statements. "Untested" and yet can come up with realtime figure. Stupid fellows. Just look at the Billion of dollars that Singapore Pools collected. And the number of people at Genting Highlands casino. And the number of gamblers that our men-in-blue raided.

The casino is not even open and people are already pouring cold water on it - really anti-Singapore. Some people seem to be always happy to hear bad news from Singapore. I will be the first to cheong into the casino - just to show my support and make it a real success.
 
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