Tory or Labour?

[yinyang]

Brexit Now, The Movie
Maarten Wolterink
Clearly a graphic quote from Francis Ford Coppola's movie Apocalypse Now.
Maybe it will end better with the UK.

 

[syed putra]

Brexit Now, The Movie
Maarten Wolterink
Clearly a graphic quote from Francis Ford Coppola's movie Apocalypse Now.
Maybe it will end better with the UK.

Clearly more voted for anti brexit parties but their votes were split.

 

[Leongsam]

Clearly more voted for anti brexit parties but their votes were split.

A Brexit referendum was held in 2016. 52% voted to leave. That is an outright majority no matter how you try to fudge the numbers.

The people of the UK had spoken. It was the job of the government to carry out their wishes. That is how binding referendums work.

However successive governments did not implement the will of the people till Boris Johnson became PM.

He is now doing what should have been done 2 years ago.

To suggest that another referendum be held on the same issue makes a mockery of the whole process. On the assumption that the result of the 2016 referendum was overturned it would then be the turn of the "leave" campaigners to demand yet another referendum because they did not accept the results of the 2nd referendum.

Sanity has to prevail. The UK is finally untangling itself from the red tape imposed by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels and things may end up far better for the UK.

However if everything goes downhill there is nothing to stop a future government from charting a course to restore a common market. The voters will have to weigh the pros and cons based upon what is brought to table and cast their ballot accordingly.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

A Brexit referendum was held in 2016. 52% voted to leave. That is an outright majority no matter how you try to fudge the numbers.

The people of the UK had spoken. It was the job of the government to carry out their wishes. That is how binding referendums work.

However successive governments did not implement the will of the people till Boris Johnson became PM.

He is now doing what should have been done 2 years ago.

To suggest that another referendum be held on the same issue makes a mockery of the whole process. On the assumption that the result of the 2016 referendum was overturned it would then be the turn of the "leave" campaigners to demand yet another referendum because they did not accept the results of the 2nd referendum.

Sanity has to prevail. The UK is finally untangling itself from the red tape imposed by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels and things may end up far better for the UK.

However if everything goes downhill there is nothing to stop a future government from charting a course to restore a common market. The voters will have to weigh the pros and cons based upon what is brought to table and cast their ballot accordingly.

The problem with the referendum is not an outright victory for brexiteers. There were those who did not vote and they made up a substantial number which could swing the results. Anyway the conservatives have won and they have to deliver on Brexit..and if properly implemented...uk will be better off outside of the EU

 

[Leongsam]

The problem with the referendum is not an outright victory for brexiteers. There were those who did not vote and they made up a substantial number which could swing the results. Anyway the conservatives have won and they have to deliver on Brexit..and if properly implemented...uk will be better off outside of the EU

How do you define "outright victory"? In countries where voting is not compulsory voter turnout is always low.

Those who chose not to vote have to bear the consequences of their inaction.

 

[yinyang]

A Brexit referendum was held in 2016. 52% voted to leave. That is an outright majority no matter how you try to fudge the numbers.

The people of the UK had spoken. It was the job of the government to carry out their wishes. That is how binding referendums work.

However successive governments did not implement the will of the people till Boris Johnson became PM.

He is now doing what should have been done 2 years ago.

To suggest that another referendum be held on the same issue makes a mockery of the whole process. On the assumption that the result of the 2016 referendum was overturned it would then be the turn of the "leave" campaigners to demand yet another referendum because they did not accept the results of the 2nd referendum.

Sanity has to prevail. The UK is finally untangling itself from the red tape imposed by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels and things may end up far better for the UK.

However if everything goes downhill there is nothing to stop a future government from charting a course to restore a common market. The voters will have to weigh the pros and cons based upon what is brought to table and cast their ballot accordingly.

Bang on my money, and objectively put.

Hardly any point now to say 'what if', after foregone outcome. Which Theresa May earlier had failed to rollout from 2 years back.

 

[knowwhatyouwantinlife]

How our Oppies can do better, it is not really that difficult to be clear and concise

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Commentary: How the Labour party failed to connect with the working class - and lost the UK election
Team Corbyn ran a woeful campaign and failed pretty badly in connecting with many Brits, says University of Sterling’s Eric Shaw.

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STIRLING: Labour entered the UK general election with a double handicap.

Brexit was peeling away many of its 2017 voters, especially among the working class in the north of England and West Midlands. Jeremy Corbyn was also hugely unpopular – and perceptions of which leader will make the best prime minister are a major voting driver.

Both factors devastated Labour in the north of England and West Midlands as the so-called Labour “red wall” crumbled. Labour’s fate was probably sealed even before the election was called.

Yet these handicaps were aggravated by Labour’s campaign strategy, which was poor enough to turn defeat into disaster.

To understand what went wrong with the campaign, we need to step back and ask what makes an effective campaign strategy. There are three separate factors: The communicator, the message and the message transmission.

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Britain's opposition Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn attends a general election campaign event in London, Britain, Nov 27, 2019. (Photo: Reuters/Toby Melville)
1. THE COMMUNICATOR

Many voters today are instinctively sceptical about anything that emanates from parties, particularly their leaders.

Research indicates that voters’ views on what politicians say are heavily influenced by the extent to which they seem trustworthy, that is, can be relied upon to make truthful statements; and have the personal qualities and competence needed for leadership.

On both measures Corbyn was viewed poorly, even next to Johnson, who has his own well documented problems. Corbyn’s low rating was partly the result of unremittingly hostile media coverage.

READ: Commentary: Hard choices await any post-Brexit Britain
Yet even the most sympathetic observer would struggle to view his communication abilities, and his capacity to inspire trust and confidence, as other than mediocre.

Two obvious examples were his refusal to apologise over anti-semitism until late in the day and his bungled response to a question over whether he watched the Queen’s Christmas message.

These demonstrated his lack of mental agility, verbal fluency and emotional intelligence.

How voters view a leader in an election campaign is also filtered by their existing image. Corbyn was already the least popular opposition leader in half a century – seen as unpatriotic; unwilling to stand up for British interests; hostile to treasured institutions like the military and the monarchy; and too weak on terrorism.

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Britain's Prime Minister Boris Johnson and opposition Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn face each other in a head-to-head debate on the BBC in London, Britain on Dec 6, 2019. (File photo: Jeff Overs/BBC via REUTERS)
As a result, policies that may otherwise have been well received were treated with disdain or disbelief. It did not help that Labour offered up loyalists such as Laura Pidcock, Rebecca Long-Bailey and Andy McDonald for media interviews, while it locked down more accomplished performers like Keir Starmer.

2. THE MESSAGE

A policy will be credible to the extent it is seen as affordable and deliverable. Labour seemed to have problems grasping this.

Hardly a day elapsed without the party committing billions to another worthy cause: For the National Healthcare System (NHS), education, public sector pay, benefits, pensions compensation, multiple nationalisations, free broadband, and so on.

Labour strategists seemed to think that the sheer scale, generosity and radicalism of the programme would enthuse voters supposedly desperate for transformative social reforms. In fact, evidence from focus groups showed that voters were massively sceptical about Labour’s ability to fund and deliver its pledges.

“Where are they going to get the money from?,” was a constant refrain. It played straight into the hands of the age-old Conservative motif that Labour can’t be trusted with your money and will bankrupt the economy.

The Tories understood that voters rarely follow policy detail, so a party needs to hammer away relentlessly on a few carefully chosen messages: Above all, “get Brexit done”. Labour was much more scattergun.

READ: Commentary: UK election results do not suggest decisive move towards Brexit
Rather than highlighting key Tory weaknesses like the NHS or social care for the elderly, it seemed to flit between policies, never settling on one for very long.

Many voters seemed almost obsessed with getting Brexit done. But both Labour and their 2017 supporters were seriously divided over whether it was desirable.

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Hundreds of thousands rallied in London demanding a second national vote on Brexit. (File photo: AFP/Niklas HALLE'N)
The leadership tried to balance these conflicting pressures through “constructive ambiguity”, but this made them seem indecisive, vacillating and confused.

Brexit also represented something deeper:A collision between Remain-voting civic-minded social liberals and Leave-voting ethno-nationalist social conservatives.

This cut across left-right divisions and had been losing Labour votes in its heartlands for years. For many working-class social conservatives, Corbyn and his inner circle embodied the “metropolitan liberal elite”.

Certainly, there is no easy resolution for a party that cannot out-compete the Tories over issues like immigration and law and order.

But the fact that Labour promoted policies that could have been expressly designed to infuriate such people – the pledge to teach British imperialism as part of the curriculum and apologise for the country’s past colonial misdeeds, for instance - did not help.

READ: Commentary: Boris Johnson’s win and the shifting sands of politics in the UK
3. TRANSMISSION

Trying to change attitudes in a short election campaign is usually fruitless. Parties instead try to ensure that issues that benefit them preoccupy the public mind by securing generous coverage in the media.

Labour was heavily handicapped in this “air war” by the predominantly right-wing slant of the print media. This has a knock-on effect on the BBC, since the editorial agendas of its news programmes appear to be unduly influenced by the press.

This meant that Labour needed particularly to use effective and sophisticated techniques for designing and transmitting its arguments.

You do this by developing an overarching narrative that identifies problems, interprets events and invokes values in a way that mobilises public support for its policy agenda.

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Britain's opposition Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn speaks at a launch event for the Labour party's general election campaign in London, Britain on Oct 31, 2019. (File photo: REUTERS/Henry Nicholls)
Margaret Thatcher used to do this very well with notions like, “you cannot spend what you haven’t earned”, using homilies about family housekeeping and balanced budgets.

Labour lacked such a narrative, opting instead to berate the rich and corporate elites in a simplistic way. The underlying reason was the Corbynista conviction that people’s views reflected their class, and that the working classes were naturally left wing.

By this reasoning, Labour’s faltering hold on the working-class vote in recent years was due to doubts about its determination to pursue truly radical policies for workers.

Eric Shaw is Senior Lecturer in Politics at the University of Stirling. This commentary first appeared in The Conversation.

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[yinyang]

British PM Johnson sets out plan for power

Top of Boris Johnson's to-do list will be a bill to ratify the terms of Britain's exit from the European Union AFP/JESSICA TAYLOR
19 Dec 2019 12:36PM

LONDON: British Prime Minister Boris Johnson will set out his plans for government on Thursday (Dec 19) following a sweeping election win, focused on delivering Brexit and supporting the health service.
Queen Elizabeth II will open parliament in a lavish ceremony where she will read out the Conservative leader's legislative programme for the months ahead.

But in a sign of a looming constitutional battle, Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon was to stake her claim for a new vote on independence, just before the monarch's address.
READ: UK PM vows to work "flat out", outlaw Brexit transition past 2020

Top of Johnson's to-do list will be a bill to ratify the terms of Britain's exit from the European Union, which he negotiated in October but could not get through parliament.
Equipped with a majority of 80 in the 650-seat House of Commons, he hopes to push through the deal in time to "Get Brexit Done" on the next EU deadline of Jan 31.

He has also vowed to address concerns about public services, particularly among the many working-class voters who backed the Tories for the first time in this election.
There will be a bill to enshrine in law spending increases for the state-run National Health Service, which has faced cuts during a decade of Conservative austerity measures.

BREXIT CLIFF-EDGE
The Queen's Speech normally takes place about once a year but there was one in October, following Johnson's election as Conservative leader in July.
Rebellions over Brexit left him without the support in the Commons he needed to govern, so he called a snap election - and won a landslide.
As a result, Thursday's speech will be scaled down, with the 93-year-old monarch eschewing her horse-drawn carriage for a car and her crown for a hat.
READ: UK PM Johnson bans ministers from attending Davos - Source
But it will still be rich in pageantry.
The highlight will be the Withdrawal Agreement Bill (WAB) to ratify the terms of Brexit, which will be put to a first vote among MPs on Friday.
It covers Britain's financial obligations to the EU, the rights of European expatriates and new arrangements for Northern Ireland.
The bill will also enshrine the dates of a transition period, which will keep EU-UK ties largely unchanged until Dec 31, 2020, to allow both sides to sign a new trade deal.
The period can be extended for up to two years, but London insists this will not be necessary.
Johnson was a leading figure in the 2016 referendum vote for Brexit, and says it is time to end years of political wrangling over the result.
But the EU has warned the timetable is extremely tight to agree a new relationship after Britain leaves the bloc's single market and customs union.

"In case we cannot conclude an agreement by the end of 2020, we will face again a cliff edge," European Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen said Wednesday.
"This would clearly harm our interests but it will impact more the UK than us."
The WAB will also include plans to allow courts other than the Supreme Court to overturn European Court of Justice rulings, to ensure Britain can more swiftly extricate itself from European case law.

HEALTH SERVICE PRESSURES
At a reception for healthcare staff at Downing Street on Wednesday, Johnson said the NHS was the "single greatest institution in this country".
"But the pressures and demands are enormous and we have to help you cope with that," he said.
Aside from the spending increase, the Queen's Speech will include plans for a new immigration system with fast-track visas for healthcare professionals.

Officials said there will also be commitments to boost education spending and tackle violent crime - and committing the government to the United Kingdom.

After winning a majority of seats in England last week, Scottish National Party (SNP) leader Sturgeon will meanwhile publish her case for a second referendum on Scottish independence.
Scots voted by 55 per cent against independence in a 2014 referendum.

But they also voted to stay in the EU in 2016 and with Brexit all but assured, nationalists argue it is now time to go their own way.
"There is a clear mandate for this nation to have the power to decide its own future," Sturgeon was expected to argue.
"The result of last week's general election makes that mandate unarguable."
Source: AFP

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Vote share paints a different picture of election results | General election 2019
Boris Johnson stands in front of newly elected Conservative MPs
Boris Johnson with newly elected Conservative MPs. ‘Barely a 1% increase delivers both the Tories and the SNP a landslide. And this is democracy, apparently,’ says Mary Smith. Photograph: Leon Neal/POOL/AFP via Getty Images
Letters
Readers point out that the first past the post system distorts the scale of Labour’s electoral losses and the extent of the Conservative party’s popularity
Thu 19 Dec 2019 13.21 EST
In last week’s election, candidates for remain-supporting parties received 16.5 million votes, while candidates for leave-supporting parties received 14.8 million.

The 14.8 million gave the leave supporters a majority of 80 seats in the House of Commons.

We may infer two facts from these numbers: our electoral system is grossly undemocratic, and there is no majority in the UK for leaving the EU. The first fact has made the second irrelevant. How is this tolerable?
Prof AC Grayling
London

• Your editorial is correct that Labour’s “203 seats is its lowest total since 1935 … Labour has lost more than 50% of the seats it won in 2001” (14 December). But it’s also true that Labour received only 455,000 fewer votes in 2019 than 18 years earlier (10,269,076 in 2019 compared with 10,724,953 in 2001). Labour also secured significantly more votes in this year’s election than in 2005, 2010 and 2015.

It’s certainly the case that Jeremy Corbyn led his party to a bitter defeat. But under the first-past-the-post system the number of seats won or lost alone can be a deceptive measure of the scale of success or failure.
Joe McCarthy
Dublin

• Yes, of course it is right to analyse the reasons for the “crushing disappointment” the Lib Dems suffered (A bruised party pausing to map out a new bearing, 19 December), but nowhere in this article is there mention of the fact that the Lib Dems suffered their reduction in seats despite a 4% increase in vote share. Meanwhile, barely a 1% increase delivers both the Tories and the SNP a landslide. And this is democracy, apparently.
Mary Smith
Maidstone, Kent

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[syed putra]

Why brits refer to singapore so much and not hong kong?
City of london is way more successful than either of those.

 

[yinyang]

British PM Johnson wins vote on Brexit deal in time for Christmas
Reuters 20 Dec

LONDON: Prime Minister Boris Johnson won approval for his Brexit deal in parliament on Friday (Dec 20), the first step towards fulfilling his election pledge to deliver Britain's departure from the European Union by Jan 31 after his landslide victory.
Lawmakers voted by 358 to 234 pass the second reading of the legislation, underlining Johnson's large majority in parliament that should ensure a smooth ratification of the divorce deal to implement Britain's biggest policy shift in more than 40 years.

More than three years since Britain voted to exit the EU in a 2016 referendum, the deep uncertainty over Brexit has now been replaced by the firm deadline of the end of January. Only after that will the prime minister face talks to secure a trade deal with the bloc and another target date of the end of next year.

Getting "the Brexit vote wrapped up for Christmas" was the main aim for Johnson showing that, unlike his predecessor Theresa May, he now had free reign to drive Brexit forward despite continued criticism from opposition lawmakers.
"This is the time when we move on and discard the old labels of 'leave' and 'remain' ... now is the time to act together as one reinvigorated nation, one United Kingdom," Johnson told parliament before the vote.

"Now is the moment to come together and write a new and exciting chapter in our national story, to forge a new partnership with our European friends, to stand tall in the world, to begin the healing for which the whole people of this country yearn."
The final stages of ratification will take place after Christmas, with the lower house of parliament having until Jan 9 to approve the legislation, or Withdrawal Agreement Bill, giving it just over three weeks to then pass through the upper house and receive Royal Assent.

TRADE TALKS TO COME
After leaving, Britain will need to secure new trading arrangements with the EU - which the prime minister said would see the country agree a trade deal with no alignment to the bloc's rules.

In a change to the bill, Johnson made it illegal to extend those talks beyond the end of next year.
But while Johnson has the support of his 365 Conservative lawmakers in the 650-seat lower house, some opposition members criticised him for removing the opportunity for parliament to have oversight over his negotiating priorities in the next phase of talks, and for getting rid of workers' protections.
Opposition Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn described it as "terrible" and said his party would not support the bill.

Britain's opposition Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn attends a general election campaign event in London, Britain, Nov 27, 2019. (Photo: Reuters/Toby Melville)
"This deal does not bring certainty for communities or for business or for the workforce, in fact it does the opposite and hardwires the risk of a no-deal Brexit next year," he said.

Just a week after he won the largest Conservative majority since Margaret Thatcher in 1987, Johnson has set out an ambitious government programme, with securing Brexit at the top of his agenda to repay the trust of voters.

Hoping to satisfy the demands of voters in northern and central England who broke their tradition of backing the Labour Party to support him, he has also pledged more funding to the state health service, education and policing.
"Today we will deliver on the promise we made to the people and get the Brexit vote wrapped up for Christmas," he said in comments before the vote. "Next year will be a great year for our country."
Source: Reuters/nr

 

[Leongsam]

Boris is the best!

 

[steffychun]

Tory will torture @Ang4MohTrump family until they bleed to death!

 

[syed putra]

Putin and trump love boris. US born with a russian name!

 

[laksaboy]

Putin and trump love boris. US born with a russian name!

Boris Johnson actually has German and Turkish ancestry. You can watch the documentary on Youtube.

 

[syed putra]

Boris Johnson actually has German and Turkish ancestry. You can watch the documentary on Youtube.

In that case, china is screwed. Those two aircraft carrier will be sent to free hong kong and xinjiang!

 

[laksaboy]

Boris Johnson needs to clean up the shit that's infecting the UK now.

 

[steffychun]

In that case, china is screwed. Those two aircraft carrier will be sent to free hong kong and xinjiang!

Xinjiang where got port?

 

[Hypocrite-The]

A pocket guide to Brexit - Business

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We're going to run through the basics of Brexit. For anything more, tap any text that's underlined to do some deeper reading on that topic.
You can also tap on the following to jump between sections. We'll look at:
The European Union (EU) was formed in 1993 but traces its origins back to an economic treaty that followed World War II. It’s a collection of 28 countries (soon to be 27) that operates a bit like an extended family.

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Each member country has its own government, laws and culture, but together the EU operates as a single continent where goods, services and people can move freely.

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There's a European Parliament made up of elected representatives from each member country and a Council made up of the governments of each member country.
The Parliament and Council make the policies that apply to the EU. Both have to review and agree on new policies for them to be made law (similar to our Lower and Upper Houses).

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The size of the majority needed to support a policy in the Parliament and Council depends on what it is. For example, a policy regarding EU membership needs unanimous support from the Council.
Most other issues can pass with a qualified majority.

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EU policy can override domestic laws in each member country. For example, the EU mandates a minimum four weeks' paid leave each year for full-time workers. The UK's domestic minimum leave is five weeks. This means that while the UK is part of the EU, workers will get five weeks' paid leave but the UK cannot change it to less than four.
The EU doesn't cover all workers' rights, however. It doesn't have a policy on sick pay or minimum wage for example, so it's up to individual countries to decide those for themselves.

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During the Brexit campaign, Boris Johnson made a series of claims about restrictions the EU imposed on member countries, including that it banned the recycling of teabags.
The BBC fact-checked the future prime minister's claim and found the EU had the power to ban the composting of teabags and any other food waste if authorities were worried about the spread of disease.

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Each country pays 'membership fees' which go towards funding projects within the EU.

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One of the EU-wide projects is for a transition to a climate-neutral continent by 2050, which will impact energy, transport and business in every country.

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The membership fee is different for each country. It's based on the size of the country's economy, how much tax the government gets in VAT (the EU’s version of GST) and on extra fees on imported goods.

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In 2018, the UK paid 13.2 billion pounds ($24.95 billion) in membership, making it the third-largest contributor. In that year, the EU spent 4.3 billion pounds on public projects in the UK.
That sounds like an enormous loss, but bear in mind it doesn't take into account the trade, jobs and investments that come with being a member of the EU.

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Citizens of EU countries and their families can move and live freely across the EU.

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That means someone who grew up in Denmark can holiday in Greece, go to university in Spain, or settle down with their family in Germany without worrying about a visa.

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A dairy farmer in Austria can sell their milk to cafes in France, Italy and Bulgaria without paying extra charges or being stopped at customs each time their truck crosses a border.

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One of the things that makes this freedom easier is the single currency: the euro. The euro was adopted by most EU countries in 1999.
The UK chose to stick with the pound rather than adopt the euro for a number of reasons including control over its own interest rate and independence in the face of a financial crisis.

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For a long time, some Conservative politicians argued that the UK put more funding into the EU than it received in benefits.

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During his term as UK Prime Minister, David Cameron faced immense pressure to address the UK's place in the EU from the right of his party.

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So, in 2016, David Cameron held a referendum that asked, "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"

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The result was 52 per cent voted to leave, and 48 per cent to remain. David Cameron himself had voted to remain, so he stepped down as Prime Minister and Theresa May took over.

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The referendum showed that the UK wanted greater independence from the EU, but many still wanted some of the benefits.

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One of the sticking points was how Ireland (a member of the EU) and Northern Ireland (part of the UK) would operate with a hard border between them.

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So, Theresa May presented a deal that included a "backstop" that would allow many previous EU freedoms to remain between the two.

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After three failed attempts to pass the deal through the UK Parliament, Theresa May stepped down as Prime Minister and was replaced by Boris Johnson.

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Boris Johnson passed his Brexit bill, mandating a transitional period of 12 months, during which the finer details of the new relationship between the EU and the UK can be sorted out.
If no agreement can be made by January 2021, the UK will face a "hard Brexit" and crash out of the EU.

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This means the UK will no longer pay any membership fees and lose the special benefits for countries within the EU. It will essentially operate like any other outside country.

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EU citizens currently living in the UK, and vice versa, will need to apply for settlement or move back. The UK will likely be bound by the same European visa agreements as Australia.

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Goods and services imported into the UK will have a lot more hoops to jump through. Countries like Australia will need to export to the UK and the EU separately.

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Credits

• Research and production: Jacqueline Howard
• Development: Nathanael Scott